Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[noy]

Proof na? Speculation nasad, pakit-e kog tinuod na proof diha bugo ka tangang uto-utong katoliko ka

Kuyaw kaayo kag claim na tinuod nang imaginary friend nimong bugoa ka, pakit-e sad kog kuyaw na ebidensiya dili nang speculation BUGO KA

*Proof that evolution was directed by your imaginary friend
*Proof of the existence of your imaginary friend

Ayaw cgeg atikx2 diha, Mu change topic pa kang bugoa ka ha

a proof by definition is "evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement."

Evidence: Laws of Nature.

Argument/Explanation why the Laws of Nature proves that a Creator exists as well as the directing force of Evolution:

Evolution adheres to the Law of Nature.
now given the nature and reality of a Law, Laws exist for a purpose which is evident in nature and creation itself.
now in order for purpose to exist, it requires intelligence.
ergo, the proof that an Intelligent Creator exists would be the Laws governing the universe.

Factual basis of my proof..
Fact 1: Evolution adheres to Natural Laws. if this is not a fact, kindly explain why.
Fact 2: Laws exist for a purpose. if this is not a fact, kindly explain why.
Fact 3: Purpose requires Intelligence. if this is not a fact, kindly explain why.

it's your turn, refute my argument smart a$$!

OT:
unsa may tubag nimu ato akong giingun nimu? perti man nimung isoga diri sa forum..kusog man kaayo ka mag hasi-hasi diri..sa man kita ta sa personal unya start calling me names right before my FACE.

[Vedder]

a proof by definition is "evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement."

Evidence: Laws of Nature.

Argument/Explanation why the Laws of Nature proves that a Creator exists as well as the directing force of Evolution:

Evolution adheres to the Law of Nature.
now given the nature and reality of a Law, Laws exist for a purpose which is evident in nature and creation itself.
now in order for purpose to exist, it requires intelligence.
ergo, the proof that an Intelligent Creator exists would be the Laws governing the universe.

Factual basis of my proof..
Fact 1: Evolution adheres to Natural Laws. if this is not a fact, kindly explain why.
Fact 2: Laws exist for a purpose. if this is not a fact, kindly explain why.
Fact 3: Purpose requires Intelligence. if this is not a fact, kindly explain why.

it's your turn, refute my argument smart a$$!

OT:
unsa may tubag nimu ato akong giingun nimu? perti man nimung isoga diri sa forum..kusog man kaayo ka mag hasi-hasi diri..sa man kita ta sa personal unya start calling me names right before my FACE.

100% Walay Scientific Basis tanang gipang-yawyaw nimo diha, gikan nasad na sa imung lubot bugoa ka

Naa nasad kay mga bag-ong claims na kailangan ug proof bulok, kanang catchy christian melodramatic phrases nimo na "purpose" "creation" "intelligent creator" WALA NAY SCIENTIFIC BASIS BUGOK, "I LOVE SCIENCE" Lagi daw unya pakit-an kog proof na walay scientific basis perte jud ka bugo

Balik ta, Hatagi kog proof na naay scientific basis, dili nang gikan sa imung lubot BUGO:

*Proof that evolution was directed by your imaginary friend
*Proof of the existence of your imaginary friend

KUYAW kaayo kag mga CLAIM bugoa ka, mu dawat ra kog proof na naay scientific basis, dili nang mga catchy phrases na gikan sa imuhang lubot bugo.

[noy]

100% Walay Scientific Basis tanang gipang-yawyaw nimo diha, gikan nasad na sa imung lubot bugoa ka

Naa nasad kay mga bag-ong claims na kailangan ug proof bulok, kanang catchy christian melodramatic phrases nimo na "purpose" "creation" "intelligent creator" WALA NAY SCIENTIFIC BASIS BUGOK, "I LOVE SCIENCE" Lagi daw unya pakit-an kog proof na walay scientific basis perte jud ka bugo

Balik ta, Hatagi kog proof na naay scientific basis, dili nang gikan sa imung lubot BUGO:

*Proof that evolution was directed by your imaginary friend
*Proof of the existence of your imaginary friend

KUYAW kaayo kag mga CLAIM bugoa ka, mu dawat ra kog proof na naay scientific basis, dili nang mga catchy phrases na gikan sa imuhang lubot bugo.

tua ra! ikaw man diay bugo yot!

giingnan ug laws of nature ang proof! in other words..laws of physics ang proof...unsa diay nang laws of physics nimu! tinohoan sa boktot? dakla imung ulo!

kita kas akong gisuwat nga ang basis sa argument kay FACTUAL! meaning realistic kana!tangible!
kinahanglan pa ka ug scientific verification for realistic things? REALISTIC gani...paita! hahahaha...
dili diay ni realistic para nimu?
*Evolution adheres to Natural Laws.
*Laws exist for a purpose.
*Purpose requires Intelligence.
na unsa naman tawn ka oi? nahitabo ning mga butanga on a daily basis...meaning natural.. meaning wala ning contradict with Science..
kasabut ka?ha? agta ka!

again! the proof that an Intelligent Creator exists would be the Laws governing the universe. simple ra kaayo na!
Laws point out to reason/purpose. purpose points out to intelligence..ingun ana ra ka simple yot!
kung tan.aw nimu dili ni realistic nga mga basis..paki-explain palihug! kung dili ka ka explain...pagpuyo nalang kay mura kag bakasing gisingot! bayot pa jud!

OT: isog ra man diay kas forum..wa jud kay tubag2x sa akong challenge nimu...pagkigkita nako unya insultoha ko..prehas sa imung hasi2x diris forum bayota ka!

[Vedder]

tua ra! ikaw man diay bugo yot!

giingnan ug laws of nature and proof! in other words..laws of physics and proof...unsa diay nang laws of physics nimu! tinohoan sa boktot? dakla imung ulo!

kita kas akong gisuwat nga ang basis sa argument kay FACTUAL! meaning realistic kana!tangible!
kinahanglan pa ka ug scientific verification for realistic things? REALISTIC gani...paita! hahahaha...
dili diay ni realistic para nimu?
*Evolution adheres to Natural Laws.
*Laws exist for a purpose.
*Purpose requires Intelligence.
na unsa naman tawn ka oi? nahitabo ning mga butanga on a daily basis...meaning natural.. meaning wala ning contradict with Science..
kasabut ka?ha? agta ka!

again! the proof that an Intelligent Creator exists would be the Laws governing the universe. simple ra kaayo na!
Laws point out to reason/purpose. purpose points out to intelligence..ingun ana ra ka simple yot!
kung tan.aw nimu dili ni realistic nga mga basis..paki-explain palihug! kung dili ka ka explain...pagpuyo nalang kay mura kag bakasing gisingot! bayot pa jud!

Ayaw cgeg atikx2 diha, wala gihapon kay proof na gipakita sa akoa bugoa ka, Dili ko mu dawat anang mga dramax2 ug speculation nimo BUGO. Mu change topic pa kang bugoa ka anang mga binayot nimo na dramax2 diha BUGONG UTO-UTONG KRISTIYANONG TANGA KA!

Balik nasad ta

*Proof that evolution was directed by your imaginary friend
*Proof of the existence of your imaginary friend

Dili ko mu dawat anang mga dramax2 ug speculations nimo UGOK!

TUBAGA!

[noy]

Ayaw cgeg atikx2 diha, wala gihapon kay proof na gipakita sa akoa bugoa ka, Dili ko mu dawat anang mga dramax2 ug speculation nimo BUGO. Mu change topic pa kang bugoa ka anang mga binayot nimo na dramax2 diha BUGONG UTO-UTONG KRISTIYANONG TANGA KA!

Balik nasad ta

*Proof that evolution was directed by your imaginary friend
*Proof of the existence of your imaginary friend

Dili ko mu dawat anang mga dramax2 ug speculations nimo UGOK!

TUBAGA!

ikaw: tagae ko ug proof nga evolution is directed..
ako: Laws of Physics..through the nature and reality of Laws.
ikaw: dili na scientific! Drama2x ra na ug speculation..
ako:

pahuway yot! bugo ra kaayo ka para aning mga klaseng kutay..
para di pud ka tantong magmahay...practice2x ug sabut aning ang mga post..

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[Vedder]

ikaw: tagae ko ug proof nga evolution is directed..
ako: Laws of Physics..through the nature and reality of Laws.
ikaw: dili na scientific! Drama2x ra na ug speculation..
ako:

pahuway yot! bugo ra kaayo ka para aning mga klaseng kutay..
para di pud ka tantong magmahay...practice2x ug sabut aning ang mga post..

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Asa ang ebidensiya? naa lagi laws of physics pero asa ang Imaginary friend nimo? BUGO

"I LOVE SCIENCE" lagi daw unya pag pangayuan ug ebidensiya dili magka-dimao perte ka bugo hahahaha BUGO JUD KANG TANGANG UTO-UTONG IGNORANTENG KRISTIYANO KA. hahaha

Ebidensiya sa iyahang imaginary friend = Laws of Physics.....hahahaha PERTE KA BRIGHT, Maski mga Leading Scientists wala kabalo na ebidensiya diay ning noy bugo sa iyahang imaginary friend hahahahaha

Balik nasad ta ayaw cgeg atikx2 diha

*Proof that evolution was directed by your imaginary friend
*Proof of the existence of your imaginary friend

[brendomar]

dugay2 naman mo sig atubang @noy, wala jud ka bahoi sa baba ana? hehe.
Lisud makiglantugi ug usa ka hayop nga wa pa mainsakto ug evolve noy.

[noy]

it's a roundabout theory that will never be testable just like zeus, thor, the gods of the hindus, etc will never be testable,, if it is true for you then so be it..

that's why i find it absurd for people to seek scientifically verified proofs for God.
Science, though great in itself but is far from being able to uproot absolute details behind everything there is about creation. ultimo atong kalibutan wla pa gani malukop nato ug tuon..samut na kaha ang naghimo tanan?
would you use basic math formulas in solving problems with calculus?
mao i would rather opt with philosophical proofs as long as ang basis kay reality and actuality.

religious diversity for me is simply the result of diverse human perspectives or understanding of One divine revelation.

you're going too deep, something so simple ought not be explained by too much allegory.. .

wala oi..simple ra man bai.. ang reality of Laws ra jud ang basis.
ang gist sa akong post kay Laws exist for purpose.. purpose can only exist when there is intelligence..mao mutuo ko nga dunay intelligence creator.

there is such a thing as an is-ought problem present in logic, as what the late David Hume had pointed out, reality (is), idea (ought), should not derive an is from an ought, but rather it should be the other way around, the former be applied to ethics, yes, the latter should be applied when seeking the nature of physical things.. in your case since you believe in god because the bible tells you so, therefore you are prone to saying that laws ought to come from god, you are inferring that an is should follow your notion of an ought without so much as presenting an empirical data to support it.. in my book i find that fallacious, because the notion of god is irrefutable like what i said..

i believe that the bible is God's word bai but it doesn't mean that the reason why i believe in God is because the bible says so..
i believe that natural laws do come from God in God's sovereignty but not because i read that somewhere in the bible.
but through the reality of things..ug mao ni akong gipang hisgutan karun.

and you believe that society ought to make laws inorder that goodness may be maintained, because you like to think that this peacefulness is a property which we ought to follow, when in fact the law of nature suggests otherwise, as it always have before we became civil..

yes bai,laws in societies are there for peace and order..same thing with nature only in a much complex manner..
we ought to examine the results rather than the process to see the order of things that i am talking about.
example would be the very long process of evolution.
the process isn't necessarily pleasing but as long as things are left to unfold naturally, makita nato nga para sa kaayohan ang purpose sa maong process.
the process of creating the universe..the series of causes and effects was far from a peaceful and calm process..samut na siguro ang pagbutho sa kinabuhi..kung proceso atong tan-awn makaingun jud ta nga walay order..but we get a different picture when we look at the result of the entire process.. everything we need to survive is in this planet..everything that exists in this planet has its own role in sustaining creation. ..all of these things just by following the Law of Nature...

ought distinctions on morality is a human invention, laws are of the same origin, although both proved to be important elements of survival as evidenced by our number.. although we are still outnumbered by ants..

morality is part of a human being's nature this is what separates us from other beings.
mas daghan ang ants because kinahanglan sila daghan..hehehe..their size and number compliments with their role in creation..

but if you read between my lines, it's also full of is-oughts, because i am ruled by my own notions of "what-ought-to-be-followed" that is why i always avoid talking about this, nonetheless that's my take..

mao lage, at the end of the day..we believe and follow what we think is right..di kinahanglan maglalis..istorya ra gud...saon tamang naay uban nga pilion jud mang hilabut ug mag gubot-gubot..

[Vedder]

@noy hoy bugo ayaw cgeg atikx2 diha bugoa ka. Asa na imong proof? Ayaw nang LAWS OF PHYSICS ipakita sa akoa bugo dugay na ko kabalo ana hahahahaa imbis pakit-an ko nimog proof sa imuhang imaginary friend LAWS OF PHYSICS naman hinuon imung gipakita sa akoa bugoa ka.

Balik nasad ta likayx2 kang bugoa ka ha:

*Proof that evolution was directed by your imaginary friend
*Proof of the existence of your imaginary friend

[babyfaceAss]

mutuo ko sa bible apan ang bible dili scientific ang pag explain. pero gituyo na sa mga bible writers aron dali ra nila mapasabot ang mga common people. ang science based on facts pero insufficient pa man ang data nga ilang nakuha pero duol na sila sa kamatuoran. time will tell, maybe 10 or 20 years from now mahibaw.an na nato kung asa gyud ta gikan with scientific proof. ang bible dugay ng nakahibaw kung asa ta gikan wala lng nila gistate ang scientific evidence.