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  1. #21

    Quote Originally Posted by johansik View Post
    That's why dili naku muhulog ug money sa sibot. Oh lala!
    bad.. love offering mana dili na pinugsanay pero if dili ka mohatag aw bcin naa na 3rd ug 4th collection syaro dili ka masibot..

    peace.. breaking the ice lng..

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by rafee View Post
    Yes I agree.. not all religion though..
    but to correct you a bit, Roman Catholic is founded by God-made-man , Jesus Christ..not by simply man alone...
    Jesus did Not formed an Organization, He Formed a fellowship, he formed a Community. He did not formed an organization with high Priest with Central Headquarters and with Big buildings. Jesus did Not Appoint a Pope...

    Christianity is NOT a religion, its a Fellowship of Believers...

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Jesus did Not formed an Organization, He Formed a fellowship, he formed a Community. He did not formed an organization with high Priest with Central Headquarters and with Big buildings. Jesus did Not Appoint a Pope...

    Christianity is NOT a religion, its a Fellowship of Believers...
    I see.. thanks...
    (added)..I thought Peter was appointed by Jesus? the 1st pope?.. sorry I know this a long time ago.. bitaw, research sa ko.. peace..

  4. #24
    agree.......

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by rafee View Post
    I guess I need to share my experience on how I still believe in God (whatever the other religion call it), Jesus, Mary and Saints BUT ending NOT believing the practices that the churches and most religious leaders teachings (of course I'm still following the good traits).

    Sauna nag serve ko sa 1 of the biggest church in cebu and believing almost everything I've heard from priests..

    Mao ni ilaha itudlo :
    ..."Kinahanglan mapasayloon, magpabilin nga mapaubsanon ug matinabangon"...
    ..."Ang ubos ipataas ug ang taas ipaubos"...

    ... and the rest of good things...

    To start and cut my story short...

    1 day na shock ko ky naa known donor sa church (businesswoman) nga mosulod sa church bisan close na (9pm+) ky mg ampo ug kini gipasulod.. (ingani nga time naa pa pa sad tawo ang cimbahan ky naa pa mga choir mg practice.)..

    Pero nilabay nlng ang lain mga tuig, mao gihapon ang buhaton if naa mga big donors or known personalities nga mosulod ky mo visit lng ni father or mo stay lng sa simbahan ky naa sila family problems etc... maka sulod or maka tulog sa sulod.. aircon pa..

    Ang nka shock nko ky sa akong pagsabot, ang simbahan kitukod pra sa katawhan. Pero sa pila nko katuig sa simbahan mobagyo mn or kusog lang nga uwan or baha if gabii na wla gyud ko kita ug mga tindera sa kandila or tawo nga nghigda gwas sa simbahan nga GIPASULOD ky mao ang mando sa mga pari. (Of course in my thought its still right ky bacin mangawat..)

    Pero dako sd nko nga pagka shock nga dagko mn diay ni KITA (take home pay ***I dont know unsa jud pangan ana ky dili mn pud na mtawag nga sweldo***) ang mga pari.. with allowance pa..samot na ang mga naay position sa simbahan. If naa mga personal nga lakaw, usahay mg pa refund pa.. (so dili jud makuhaan ang ila mga take home pay)..

    So meaning...ang mahal nga relo, or mahalon nga gamit sa mga church leaders pwede na mka pakaon ug pipila ka mga tawo nga mglisod gyud intawn ug kaon ka 3 sa 1 ka kaadlaw.

    Worst case is mgka bikil pa tungod sa position sa simbahan.


    Of course tawo rmn ni sila PERO dili unta dapat mahitabo or ilahang buhaton ky mao mn na ilahang gisudlan. "They call it a CALL and NOT a profession..."

    Mao ng start nko ug kalibog ug unsa jud ning religion. Maau ang ipangtudlo pero if magka dugay na ang pari mahimo nmn opposite ang uban niya binuhatan ug kuyog na apil ang mga church policies..

    Wala na pari cguro mosugot nga wlay bayad(Donation man gihapon ila itawag bisan naa na amount) ang pgkasal, lubong, bunyag etc... nga "for Poor" mn ilaha permi isulti..

    ...Ang ending cguro nga close assessment nako is mas powerful ang KWARTA kaysa pgtuo sa imohang Religion...

    "So I guess Religion is no different to government politics...
    even if the law separates them both.."

    its a nice share migo. mao jud na padulngan basta dili kamatuoran sa bibliya ang sundon.

  6. #26
    ako lang nabantayan ba bisan sa sto nino, dako kayo ang sign nga sto. nino: the hope of the world which is kung ato jud tan awn sa bibliya, misleading kayo tho it means holy child. Ang pangutana lang, yman iliko2 pa ang mga taw sa kamatuoran kung JESUS CHRIST nalang diay unta ang ibutang? diba? pero sa sulod sa chapel kanang mohalok ang taw kay dako kayo ang pangan na DONATION, y not ibutang pud as "sa kabubut-on lang" unya ibutang sa daplin ang box dili sa tungod jud sa rebulto? heheheeh.

    its only an opinion ha kay nahibung lang ko unsa jud ang tumong nganong mas ipaklaro man basta donor/kwarta na pero sa tinuod like JESUS CHRIST, THE HOPE OF THE WORLD giliko2 paman.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by rafee View Post
    I see.. thanks...
    (added)..I thought Peter was appointed by Jesus? the 1st pope?.. sorry I know this a long time ago.. bitaw, research sa ko.. peace..
    Christianity is a recognized worldwide as a religion. at the same time it is a fellowship.

    Religion refers to a "belief in, or the worship of, a god or gods" or the "service and worship of God or the supernatural".

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Christianity is NOT a religion, its a Fellowship of Believers...
    ^ you tried to be a smartass but you failed miserably

    re·li·gion
    noun \ri-ˈli-jən\

    : the belief in a god or in a group of gods

    : an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god

    -merriam-webster dictionary

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by crono+death ward View Post
    ^ you tried to be a smartass but you failed miserably

    re·li·gion
    noun \ri-ˈli-jən\

    : the belief in a god or in a group of gods

    : an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god

    -merriam-webster dictionary
    naunsa ka? christianity ang gisulti ni siodenz diha dili Religion.....you failed miserably hahahaha

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by crono+death ward View Post
    ^ you tried to be a smartass but you failed miserably

    re·li·gion
    noun \ri-ˈli-jən\

    : the belief in a god or in a group of gods

    : an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god

    -merriam-webster dictionary
    yes it talks about a god "small g" not God, Jesus Christ in Christianity is not a "god" but the second person of the "Godhead".

    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

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