The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[unswa]

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What is the sense of making a scripture so hard to understand? Is your lord selective and tries to weed out literates from illiterates? And how about those that can't read?

I read a verse somewhere that scriptures are supposed to be clear and easy to understand but I doubt it. We would have never had this thread if that is the case.

[.slabdans.]

What is the sense of making a scripture so hard to understand? Is your lord selective and tries to weed out literates from illiterates? And how about those that can't read?

I read a verse somewhere that scriptures are supposed to be clear and easy to understand but I doubt it. We would have never had this thread if that is the case.

mao bitaw ang trabaho sa mga apostol, para ilang e share, mao rasad na ang gisunod sa mga ministro sa simbahan, pero dili malikayan nga dunay uban nga sagolan ug dili mao...dili tanan ha hehehe

[unswa]

do we really have to be tired to rest? hehehe...
say if i've been doing the laundry and still could do a lot more but then i decided to watch TV and perhaps take a break...
does it mean i'm tired? hehehehe..

and besides, the Genesis creation accounts from the Catholic Perspective is understood allegorically or in metaphors..
confusions and contradictions surface when everything is taken literally especially when we shouldn't.

Here is a definition of "rest" I found on the net,

Cease work or movement in order to relax, refresh oneself, or recover strength.

For me, when your god made this scripture, asa man diay niya gi direct d ba sa inyo? Nganong ang usa ka definition sama sa "rest" dili man mao ug unsa atong naandan? Nganong lahi2x man tag huna2x bahin sa rest? Try daw pag census diha sa inyong silingan unsay pasabot sa rest nila

[.slabdans.]

Here is a definition of "rest" I found on the net,

Cease work or movement in order to relax, refresh oneself, or recover strength.

For me, when your god made this scripture, asa man diay niya gi direct d ba sa inyo? Nganong ang usa ka definition sama sa "rest" dili man mao ug unsa atong naandan? Nganong lahi2x man tag huna2x bahin sa rest? Try daw pag census diha sa inyong silingan unsay pasabot sa rest nila

naa man gud nay sumpay....ako bitaw gipakita nimo unsa pasabot sa sumpay

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Here is a definition of "rest" I found on the net,

Cease work or movement in order to relax, refresh oneself, or recover strength.

For me, when your god made this scripture, asa man diay niya gi direct d ba sa inyo? Nganong ang usa ka definition sama sa "rest" dili man mao ug unsa atong naandan? Nganong lahi2x man tag huna2x bahin sa rest? Try daw pag census diha sa inyong silingan unsay pasabot sa rest nila

naa man gud nay sumpay....ako bitaw gipakita nimo unsa pasabot sa sumpay

[unswa]

mao bitaw ang trabaho sa mga apostol, para ilang e share, mao rasad na ang gisunod sa mga ministro sa simbahan, pero dili malikayan nga dunay uban nga sagolan ug dili mao...dili tanan ha hehehe

So you acknowledge there are some "sagolan" ug dili mao. So unsa man ang mahitabo atong mga audience niya nga "corrupted" man kaha tong iyang gipang tudlo? Mao ng para nako ngano mo agi paman mog lain tawo? Pasabot ba nga wala moy salig sa inyong ginoo kay dili man mo mo direct niya?

This is the part ngano dili ko kasabot nganong mo agi paman ug usa ka tawo ang inyong pagtoo. Ngano man diay ug direct mo mo sampit niya.

Ug sa joke pa "Bootan inyong ginoo kay gitagaan ug trabaho ning mga minister". Pasaka sa employment rate guro.

[noy]

What is the sense of making a scripture so hard to understand? Is your lord selective and tries to weed out literates from illiterates? And how about those that can't read?

I read a verse somewhere that scriptures are supposed to be clear and easy to understand but I doubt it. We would have never had this thread if that is the case.

for those who cannot read? that didn't seem to bother Christians from the 1st to 3rd century...
that's why the Church values oral traditions evident through history and the writings of those who observed them just as much as the written ones...especially in defininf Christian Doctrine Orthodoxy.

Scriptures are not necessarily hard to understand bai. sometimes people would just refuse to understand..

like the genesis flood, through scriptures would suggest that the flood was something global..nowhere in archaeology would show that there was a global flood..massive ones perhaps in the mesopotamian area..ergo the flood was just local..
but the author said the entire earth was covered with water..well is it not possible that the author was rather expressing what he sees and know? ikaw daw bai, ibutang ka sa tunga sa dagat without visible sight of dry land..now assume that you have the same knowledge with people in the days of Noah or even Moses...wouldn't you assume that the entire earth is indeed covered with flood?
sayon ra sabton diba? pero ang pangutana..gusto ba nimu sabton? hehe

perhaps you'd argue so sayop diay tong giingun sa Bible? Nope...ang sayop when we take everything literally esp when we shouldn't.

[.slabdans.]

So you acknowledge there are some "sagolan" ug dili mao. So unsa man ang mahitabo atong mga audience niya nga "corrupted" man kaha tong iyang gipang tudlo? Mao ng para nako ngano mo agi paman mog lain tawo? Pasabot ba nga wala moy salig sa inyong ginoo kay dili man mo mo direct niya?

yep ako ng gi acknowledge bai nga dunay uban sagolan...mao bitaw managlahi ang religious sa religion, wala gyuy sala tawn ang religion, nahugaw lang na tungod sa uban religious.

ngano mo agi pa ug lain tawo? ikaw ra bitaw nag ingon na "what about kato dili kahibaw mobasa?" unsaon nila pagkibaw kung dili ipa agi ug lain tawo? nisalig ko dili mi ha para ma klaro, dili direct? kana di ie mag ampo mi direct man na

[unswa]

yep ako ng gi acknowledge bai nga dunay uban sagolan...mao bitaw managlahi ang religious sa religion, wala gyuy sala tawn ang religion, nahugaw lang na tungod sa uban religious.

ngano mo agi pa ug lain tawo? ikaw ra bitaw nag ingon na "what about kato dili kahibaw mobasa?" unsaon nila pagkibaw kung dili ipa agi ug lain tawo? nisalig ko dili mi ha para ma klaro, dili direct? kana di ie mag ampo mi direct man na

Dili sila kamao mobasa bai pero dili pud ko motoo dili na kamao mag huna2x else dili na tawo. All powerful man kaha ang ginoo, he can read thoughts, kibaw unsay color sa imong kasing2x ug uban pa. Omnipotent pasabot ug unsa atong ma hunaan na impossible kay possible niya d ba?

Kinsa man diri dili ganahan makabasa sa mind sa usa ka tawo? Naka think ta ani na power pasabot, naa ni sa inyong ginoo

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Ug moingon pud mog buang ang tawo dili kasabot then, your god must have known nga buang siya, and will not expect more from him right? After all your god is full of understanding right?

[noy]

Here is a definition of "rest" I found on the net,

Cease work or movement in order to relax, refresh oneself, or recover strength.

For me, when your god made this scripture, asa man diay niya gi direct d ba sa inyo? Nganong ang usa ka definition sama sa "rest" dili man mao ug unsa atong naandan? Nganong lahi2x man tag huna2x bahin sa rest? Try daw pag census diha sa inyong silingan unsay pasabot sa rest nila

hahaha! kung definition sa rest para sa mga prehas nato nga kapuyon...aw mao jud na...
pero kung di ka kapuyon..but you decided to take a break anyway...it's another story...
especially if taking a break is with a purpose other than involuntary fatigue..unsay giingon sa bible, God rested to make the Sabbath Holy...
since you love to take everything literally, lemme ask you..did the Bible say that God rested 'cause he got tired...? No...
God rested to make the Sabbath Holy...

so if i would rest after doing the laundry, and assume that i am someone like God who does not get tired...
then the definition of rest from someone who gets tired is not necessarily the same with the person who does not get tired...
ergo i wasn;t tired with the laundry stuff but i rested anyway to watch TV...not to regain my strength or for any other rejuvenating reasons...but just to watch TV.. and besides, do you know the EXACT word used in that scripture? perhaps the english word "rest" is just the closest word for interpretation...see? sayon ra diba? no contradiction.. pero kung gusto jud nimu nga mag contradict..aw imoha pud na...hehehehe

[.slabdans.]

Dili sila kamao mobasa bai pero dili pud ko motoo dili na kamao mag huna2x else dili na tawo. All powerful man kaha ang ginoo, he can read thoughts, kibaw unsay color sa imong kasing2x ug uban pa. Omnipotent pasabot ug unsa atong ma hunaan na impossible kay possible niya d ba?

Kinsa man diri dili ganahan makabasa sa mind sa usa ka tawo? Naka think ta ani na power pasabot, naa ni sa inyong ginoo

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Ug moingon pud mog buang ang tawo dili kasabot then, your god must have known nga buang siya, and will not expect more from him right? After all your god is full of understanding right?

sakto jud ka bai..kahibaw sila mo huna2x mao bitaw pagka dungog nila sa pulongsa Ginoo nituo sila. sakto sad ka kahibaw ang Ginoo sa color sa ato kasing2x pero unsa may gusto nimo himoon kang robot na naka program naka? mao bitaw gihatagan ka niyag kagawasan, apil na ang dili nimo pag tuo niya.

sa sunod nga pangutana nimo bai wala nako kasabot sa imong ipasabot hehehe syensya