The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[beyee]

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@R_Forster you sound so agitated when peeps don't agree
with you and you resort to call them names which are totally
uncalled for...

Now kinsa man wala nakasabot? Ika pila na ka gi ingnan og
tigaan infractions sa imo pagka Walay batasan sa mga tawo
dire? Dili na kaha imo sigeg tawag og insults k sa imo ra
nabalik Kay ikaw mismo wala kasabot sa rules dire?

Sakto bah na?

[miket07]

Ako na hinuon ang walay nahibaw.an sa evolution na ikaw man gani ang wala kabalo na dugay na nang gi recognize nang Homo Erectus as the "missing link" (kuno) na ginapangita sa mga oplok na kristiyano sama nimo.

Ikaw ray close ug pangutok "bro", Gisia nang first page sa bible ninyo unya kaona, kay gi kaon man sad nimo na walay pangutana nang fairytale creation story ninyo.

ug kung mangutana man gani ka, kanang valid sad na pangutana, wala "gihimu" ang apes, tanang species na makit.an nimo sa earth karon gikan na sa bacteria na nag puyo sa ocean billions of years ago.

Sige "bro" tago na lang, kay kung makig-storya pa ka sa akoa, ma expose ug samot imung ka bugo, ma ulawan ra kag samot.

Naa ko question nimo bro. Kinsa gahimo nimo or diin man ka gikan?(imong parents parents, down to generations to generations diin man gikan hangtod maabot ta nga wala pay mga tao) Sa bacteria pud sila gikan? or naa lain explanation pud if asa gikan sila or asa gikan ang mga tao. Expound it clearly para ma convince nimo ang uban diri sa imong stand. Exchange lang ta mga infos diri gud

[Ivan James]

Ako na hinuon ang walay nahibaw.an sa evolution na ikaw man gani ang wala kabalo na dugay na nang gi recognize nang Homo Erectus as the "missing link" (kuno) na ginapangita sa mga oplok na kristiyano sama nimo.

Ikaw ray close ug pangutok "bro", Gisia nang first page sa bible ninyo unya kaona, kay gi kaon man sad nimo na walay pangutana nang fairytale creation story ninyo.

ug kung mangutana man gani ka, kanang valid sad na pangutana, wala "gihimu" ang apes, tanang species na makit.an nimo sa earth karon gikan na sa bacteria na nag puyo sa ocean billions of years ago.

Sige "bro" tago na lang, kay kung makig-storya pa ka sa akoa, ma expose ug samot imung ka bugo, ma ulawan ra kag samot.

I'm laughing out loud in this. You never understand the missing link thing. Well you claim to know more of evolution. Then let's try it. When do organisms evolve bro? Or why do we evolve? A sentence will do. One thing, my question about the ape thing is very valid. A thing that is existing is created by nature or whoever created or whatever process.
by the way, how did bacteria came to existence billions of years ago? Dili man sad ka makaingun na nitumaw lang nag kalit bro. because in that case mura nasad na siyag fairytale.

[flublu]

bai, kng katoliko jd mo. d nana mu matter ang evolution oh unsa pa na inyung ge pang awayan ngara. mao gayng "mystery of faith" bhalag mu tuo pa kog evolution oh unsa. bsta d lng mawala akng pagtuo nga naay gino.o. total wa pa ta kasuway nga namatay ta. wa pa ta kita kng unsa juy naas pikas kinabuhi. pero tuo nlang gyud. dapat pa ba d.i awayan na?

[Xian120]

sakto pud.unless Catholic ang school or perhaps tanang naa sa school from employees to faculty and students kay Catholic..ug magkasabut sila nga i exercise nila ilang Catholic Faith sa School then way problema..but i doubt if uniform ba ang religious views sa usa ka public school..so mao dili advised.

yes, catholic schools or any religion-controlled schools are exceptions.. they can pretty much do what they want so long as it is not against public policy..

[Xian120]

I'm laughing out loud in this. You never understand the missing link thing. Well you claim to know more of evolution. Then let's try it. When do organisms evolve bro? Or why do we evolve? A sentence will do. One thing, my question about the ape thing is very valid. A thing that is existing is created by nature or whoever created or whatever process.
by the way, how did bacteria came to existence billions of years ago? Dili man sad ka makaingun na nitumaw lang nag kalit bro. because in that case mura nasad na siyag fairytale.

it's not a question of why but a question of how.. every organism, in very minute details evolve as we speak, dili lang nimo mabantayan because we dont have the capacity to see that.. it's like having a puppy, in a moments notice you dont see its growth, take a picture of it as a puppy and again one month after and you'll see the difference... evolution is like that, we don't see it's magic before our very eyes because it is, like i said, changing in very minute detail., that's why it's quite natural for us to doubt it..

so as to the answer to your question of when.. it is happening as we speak
to the question of how.. through constant genetic adaptation
to the question of why.. it happens because it is necessary for the survival of our specie

[Ivan James]

it's not a question of why but a question of how.. every organism, in very minute details evolve as we speak, dili lang nimo mabantayan because we dont have the capacity to see that.. it's like having a puppy, in a moments notice you dont see its growth, take a picture of it as a puppy and again one month after and you'll see the difference... evolution is like that, we don't see it's magic before our very eyes because it is, like i said, changing in very minute detail., that's why it's quite natural for us to doubt it..

so as to the answer to your question of when.. it is happening as we speak
to the question of how.. through constant genetic adaptation
to the question of why.. it happens because it is necessary for the survival of our specie

Yeah bro. no I'm not doubting it. I'm not against evolution actually. That's why I'm suggesting that maybe we can compliment evolution to the story of creation. With regards to why, am yeah we can evolve in order to fit. evolution also occurs when there is genetic mutation. That's why there are these new species existing. It's just that the one i'm addressing my question to have a problem.

[Xian120]

Yeah bro. no I'm not doubting it. I'm not against evolution actually. That's why I'm suggesting that maybe we can compliment evolution to the story of creation. With regards to why, am yeah we can evolve in order to fit. evolution also occurs when there is genetic mutation. That's why there are these new species existing. It's just that the one i'm addressing my question to have a problem.

evolution and creation can never be reconciled., nor compliment each other..

evolution IS genetic mutation..

[noy]

Yeah bro. no I'm not doubting it. I'm not against evolution actually. That's why I'm suggesting that maybe we can compliment evolution to the story of creation. With regards to why, am yeah we can evolve in order to fit. evolution also occurs when there is genetic mutation. That's why there are these new species existing. It's just that the one i'm addressing my question to have a problem.

that is actually how the church sees things concerning the origin of species bai.specifically the human specie..
it's called Theistic Evolution.

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evolution and creation can never be reconciled., nor compliment each other..

evolution IS genetic mutation..

depende ra jud na sa pagtan.aw bro..hehehe
how you see things is called Atheistic Evolution which is natural kay Atheist bya ka.

[noy]

Wala koy paki-alam anang ginapang-hambog nimo na mendel mendel diha, Ma diskobrehan gihapon nang genetics maski wala to si mendel, It was only a matter of time.

pero si Mendel may naka diskobre.. unsaon man na nato?
without genetics, Darwin's evolution of species would have been dismissed as just another theory..

Ug kanang mendel nimo, genetics ra to sa plants iyaha, wala siya ni hisgot sa origin sa modern humans.

hahaha! pero kadtong genetic research niya nakatabang sa pagpalig.on sa evolution of species ni Darwin..
here's an excerpt from Mendel, Darwin and Evolution
"Although Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection was initially welcomed, there were two very big holes in the theory. One was the explosion of life forms in the early Cambrian period with no apparent transitional forms of life leading up to these species. The other was heredity. Darwin did not have an explanation for how the traits could be preserved over the succeeding generations. At the time, the prevailing theory of inheritance was that the traits of the parents were blended in the offspring. But this would mean that any beneficial trait would be diluted out of the population within a few generations. This is because most of the blending over the next generations would be with individuals that did not have the trait. Mendel had the answer to Darwin's impasse. Traits were not blended, but inherited whole. And because of Mendel's proposition of recessive and dominant traits, a trait that might disappear in one generation might reappear in the following generation. Mendel's work was incorporated into Darwin's original theory to give us our modern Neo-Darwinism. " nya, tanom2x ra sah? LOL nahinumdum ko dah..asa na imung proof nga delusional si Mendel? dili opinion ha..Proof..

Hatagan tikag history lesson sa imong sariling relihiyon ha, 60 years ago wala pa na gi recognize sa vatican ang theory of evolution, hard core creationists pa nang relihiyon nimo, pero as time went by ni dako na jud ug maayo ang ebidensiya na ang theory of evolution of ape to man ang tinuod na nahitabu, nahimong kataw.anan ug maayo ang mga creationist ug ang vatican, kay mga bugo ra na uto uto ang mu tuo sa creation story sa inyuhang bibliya, mao gi sakyan dayun sa vatican ug gi recognize ang evolution but with a twist, gi tawag nila ni na "theistic evolution" which basically says na tinuod ang evolution BUT with the help of "god" (kuno) so gi hijack sa imuhang relihiyon ang evolution.

Just read the first sentence sa imung gi post na link:

Catholic Church and evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"slowly been refined" gi hinay hinayan ug sakay sa vatican ang evolution kay kataw.anan na kaayo imaginon na gi magic magic ra ni tanan according to the bible and daghan gihapon kaayog kristiyano/katoliko na mu tuo sa creation story.

So kasabot na ka? Mas swito pa ko sa imohang relihiyon kaysa sa imuha, oplok lang jud ka.

tua ra..mao gani..kay REFINED man, meaning walay ABSOLUTE nga Teaching
ang Church regarding Evolution ug NON-DOCTRINAL tong tanang initial opposition towards the theory. ..sa binisaya pa..walay gisulti ang Catholic Church nga ang evolution kay absolutely hinanggaw..so unsa may problema kung ma refine ang perspective?
you on the contrary have been ALL TALK, ALL CLAIM..NO PROOF!

the Church was SKEPTIC with the idea JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE..
kay bag.ong nibutho ang idea ni Darwin ato nga time therefore natural reaction sa mga tao, even within the Scientific community kay leaning towards skepticism jud na..hapit na unta na ma basura ang kang Darwin may nalang kay na incorporate sa study ni Mendel on genetics..

Hardcore Creationists? meaning Literalists? hahahaha! naa pa kay pina history2x diha..hoy! halata kaayo kang wa nimu gitiwas ug basa ang link...'cause you pathetically missed these...

"Even before the development of modern scientific method, Catholic theology had ALLOWED for biblical text to be read as allegorical, rather than literal, where it appeared to contradict that which could be established by science or reason. Thus Catholicism has been able to refine its understanding of scripture in light of scientific discovery."

"The advantage of Catholics lies in the simple fact that they do not have to decide either for Evolution or against it. Authority has not spoken on the subject; hence it puts no burden upon conscience, and may be discussed realistically and without prejudice."

nya, hardcore literalist? LOL unsa kaha na nga history imung gitun.an sah?

Lisod makig-istorya sa mga taong walay nahibaw.an. Yes, dugay na na gi recognize nang Java Man as the "missing link" (kuno) na ginapangita sa mga kristiyano.

Gina deny gihapon sa mga kristiyano aron maka singit gihapon silag "asa imong missing link" na argument pag ma apiki na sa mga debate.

Daghan pag ape-like creatures before the Homo Erectus, pero kung mangita mog "missing link" (kuno) ang Homo Erectus ang pinka duol na link sa mga ancient apes who further evolved in to modern humans. Because the homo-erectus are like proto-humans, mas bright lang ang Homo Sapiens (Humans) ug lahi ang physical features sa homo erectus.

ape-like creatures -> Homo Erectus -> Homo Sapiens (Humans).

so this is your idea of absolute find? hahahaha!
"FEW accepted that Java Man was a transitional form between apes and humans. Some dismissed the fossils as apes and others as modern humans, whereas many scientists considered Java Man as a primitive side branch of evolution not related to modern humans at all.
Eventually, similarities between Pithecanthropus erectus ("Java Man") and Sinanthropus pekinensis ("Peking Man") led Ernst Mayr to rename both Homo erectus in 1950, placing them directly in the human evolutionary tree."
source: Java Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
still claiming absolutes with java man as "the missing link" brader? hahahaha!

besides, maski pag ang Java Man indeed was the First kind of the hominid family tree.. ang gipangita or kanang imung giingun nga "missing link" kay ang COMMON ANCESTOR between apes/chimpz and humans para ma klaro ang ACTUAL PATTERN sa Evolution..mao ganing link diba? kay ang actual nga specie nga nag link between chimpz and humans..obviously dili na ang Java man intawn..Lol
taka raman tawn kag sabut brader..

and if Evolution of Species is ABSOLUTELY COMPLETE like you suggest, then why does it remains a theory until now? a widely accepted theory..but nonetheless STILL a theory.

and like i said, dili ni issue ang evolution sa CAtholic Church..so nganu nangugat man tawn ka dinhi bahin anang evolution... hahahaha!

so i maintain and repeat "not only that you are barking at the wrong tree, you are also making a fool out of yourself nga murag pina sweto pero di diay".
ug sakto ka brader.."Lisod makig-istorya sa mga taong walay nahibaw.an."
with a twist if i may, Lisod makig-istorya sa mga taong walay nahibaw.an, especially kung magpa sweto2x pa jud...LOL and yes brader..i am talking about you.