Sona 2014

[emberjim]

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Then if you're an open-minded person, like you proclaim, why are you involving yourself in the debate where you feel your idea has been discredited? Aha man ang pagka sensible sa imung grounds when all your ideas anchor on philosophical aspect?


cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.

You think ang mga pro-Noynoy ray gipang tawag ug derogatory terms? You seem pretty one-sided for a guy who's self-professed "open-minded" and "impartial. While I don't usually partake in name-calling, nor do I condone it, it is almost unavoidable.


huh? by judgement i mean discernment, dili judgement nga juris prudence. Because it is true, a person who always agree, a yes-man, is a fool. Walay baruganan. So ayaw na sila i-pariha sa open-minded person. And when an open-minded person has a belief they don't go around telling other people their belief is wrong, like what you are doing right now.



I pushed it to be absolute? I only supported it with what is written in law and what thoroughly confirmed news/figures that I have--tangible material, did I not?. You? backing an argument solely on the premise of experience and very subjective account. So kinsa may nag-buot2x natog "absolute" facts nga ikaw mismo ni-abot naman ka ug intangible concepts?



never seen you entertain the idea that MAYBE criticism is a good thing. Only that it is overused.

You want to go "out of the box"? Maybe the only reason there is a semblance of democracy in the country is because there are still people who care enough to criticize? Maybe if there wasn't any protest or criticism, we'd be the Somalia of Asia? For someone who is open-minded, you are too linear.


again mao ning mga posts nimu that lend me to believe nga partial ra kaayo ka for someone who claims to be in the "middle". Why do you direct it at anti-PNoy posters alone? It's been occurring on both sides of the fence! Don't you even try to deny that.

Man up, and practice what you preach. If you are truly neutral, act as such. If pro-PNoy ka, come out of the closet.

Did I involved myself sa inyo debate? I been trying to get away from it, that is why you people find a lot of what you call subjective opinions simply because you already engaged me to a debate? i don't know that... What I said, Why would I engage to a debate when I felt like my idea has been discredited sa wa pa nagsugod.. I will never do that, kabuang gud nako ug mopatol ko na walay bili akoang stand sa inyoha. Whooow..

Hey there's still few who did the do, i can't just deny that and get over it. It wasn't you, although you mention it once.

Pretty much, yes. but even dili pa na si pronoy it is still not acceptable.. again dili ikaw.. How come I can't be like the Pro when most of the people who do the derogatory comment where anti.. So when I post a comment against that type of comment it makes me the anti-anti-pnoy, and you people think I am pro coz I put noticed to anti-P post. Well.

You know who were the Yes-men are? you can find it on your circle, maybe not you. yes of course discernment, then how they probably come up to a belief that the President should be convicted right away, is that how their judgement work? still for me a very good example. again maybe not you..

Intangible by definition, but try to look around you. Ask what are these people doing, try to go somewhere sa squatter area or asa dha na daghan idle na tao. naay mga tao na dili worth sa tabang sa atuang gobyerno not even worth fighting for. Sila ang gusto nako makamata... and have their @$$ work.. ako lang gipaagi dri sa forum kay basin naay mga tao na nakakita ani with the capability to put it to action, to make these people work and do their responsibility sa gobyerno. But what I find were highly intellectual people who lived by the book and it's cover closed.

I have maybes and uncertainties as step my foot in this forum section. An alternative idea of how to get out of situation is a maybe approach I rendered at the beginning of my existence dri sa forum.

Somalia=Philippines will never happen sir coz we were born to care TY sa nagkadaiyang relihiyon na mura ug mushroom kung motubo.. Do you think Somalian don't criticize, IDK. But summary execution had been practiced in that area.. You think those actions nobody will care to criticize, i don't think so... Being linear sir has infinite possibility compare to running in circle manner.

Like what i've said, there is no pro-pnoy that I can possible take noticed of, they been eradicated and someone said they been bullied... Anti-Pnoy in the other hand somehow manage to have a mob party, maybe not you... But some quoted like patya na na, pusila na si abnoy, gago gyud si abnoy. So I stepped in with a simple idea, to change the approach and probably we'll get heard.
I don't see a fence when I get here sir, there is a closed box, where the door was guarded by this what they called anti. The first thing I remember when I step in was a barrage of counter comment against my post, and no one even agree or supported a claim.. Just recently that this people show up to have a little bit of support. I don't know of they were pro or neutral but they seems to agree without praising the name of the President.

I have been practicing a neutral demeanor but in some instances when people get cruel, I have to defend myself. I have been attacked and bullied as well, called names, compared, threatened to be ousted, all that because I don't share 100% to what they stand for and they take me as a direct threat to the thread.

I did no bother to continue reading.. But man! you've got issues.. You seem to be just talking to yourselves.. All bull***t..

Don't barge in sa gaistorya, if you don't care reading the flow of conversation ha... man you got issue, and it is severe...isa ka giingon nila na yes-men na walay baruganan... I don't care imo lolo ninja ha, kay I find you without any set of skill that your lolo can be proud of... Kaila ka ug quoted to, it means reply siya sa nauna ug post... Naa pay ni-like. LOL.

[The_JACKAL]

Gusto aning mga minions ni ABNoy nga e-praise sya pagka nalang jud ani nila

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Abnoy is just getting a dose of his own medicine. Sa una kusog siya kaau mosaway nila ni GMA, Corona, et al or sa tanan niyang kontra. Unya karon nga siya na ang subject for criticism balay sibuyas diay hehehehe. Maau gani ni si Abnoy kung kabantay mo wa ni siya gi spoof sa mga comedy shows unlike nila ni Erap ug GMA sa una. Siguro pikon jud ning tawhana kulang jud ni sa EQ.

[amingb]

Congress proposes: Gov

Busy kaau atong mga Lawmaker busy kaau unsaon pag kurakot .... lutsan gihapon ang DAP ... ataya jud aning mga tawhana oi ...

Nga2x nalang ta ... ihilak nalang sa hilom ... kay giganahn mga mga Yellow nga hutdon ug KAWAT sa mga kaalyado ni Pnoy aron dili mauwawan ang ilahag LOVE KAAU nga PNOY ...

Paeta ... mao na gusto nako ug REBELLION kay sa ingon ani klaro kaau nga Kawat sa Atubangan, tungod sa KABAGA anang ilahang nawong dili na matudlan ug Consensiya ....

Busy kaau sila unsaon pag maniho sa Budget ... parihas unta ning mga Congressman aning Poster diri sa Istoria nga laglom kaau ug mga Posting, ingon ana unta na sila ... mag huna2x unsaon para ang Pilipinas maluwas sa kalisod ...

[M.A.D.]

See... exactly what I anticipated. Their long useless nonsensical posts don't even deserve any credit or even attention. It's quite apparent they are here to hijack the thread and dumb down its quality.

Since its apparent they already lost face, they might as well take this down with them.

[Eyemesem]

hehe yes,.. true we need critics but it's not good when everyone becomes one..

this is one of the most IDIOTIC things i've ever read in this thread

it's like saying only a few select people should allowed to speak their mind and the rest should shut up

if that's the way you think, then allow me to say this, maybe you should shut up since you contribute nothing to this thread

you conveniently accuse people here that we're not doing our part in our contribution to this country just because we criticize your dear lord and savior almighty heavenly father Abnoynoy.

[akoLoloNinja]

I did no bother to continue reading.. But man! you've got issues.. You seem to be just talking to yourselves.. All bull***t..

Did I involved myself sa inyo debate? I been trying to get away with it, that is why you people find a lot of what you call subjective opinions simply because you already engaged me to a debate? i don't know that... What I said, Why would I engage to a debate when I felt like my idea has been discredited sa wa nagsugod.. I will never do that, kabuang gud nako ug mopatol ko na walay bili akoang stand sa inyoha. Whooow..

Hey there's still few who did the do, i can't just deny that and get over it. It wasn't you, although you mention it once.

Pretty much, yes. but even dili pa na si pronoy it is still not acceptable.. again dili ikaw.. How come I can't be like the Pro when most of the people who do the derogatory comment where anti.. So when I post a comment against that type of comment it makes me the anti-anti-pnoy, and you people think I am pro coz I put noticed to anti-P post. Well.

You know who were the Yes-men are? you can find it on your circle, maybe not you. yes of course discernment, then how they probably come up to a belief that the President should be convicted right away, is that how their judgement work? still for me a very good example. again maybe not you..

Intangible by definition, but try to look around you. Ask what are these people doing, try to go somewhere sa squatter area or asa dha na daghan idle na tao. naay mga tao na dili worth sa tabang sa atuang gobyerno not even worth fighting for. Sila ang gusto nako makamata... and have their @$$ work.. ako lang gipaagi dri sa forum kay basin naay mga tao na nakakita ani with the capability to put it to action, to make these people work and do their responsibility sa gobyerno. But what I find were highly intellectual people who lived by the book and it's cover closed.

I have maybes and uncertainties as step my foot in this forum section. An alternative idea of how to get out of situation is a maybe approach I rendered at the beginning of my existence dri sa forum.

Somalia=Philippines will never happen sir coz we were born to care TY sa nagkadaiyang relihiyon na mura ug mushroom kung motubo.. Do you think Somalian don't criticize, IDK. But summary execution had been practiced in that area.. You think those actions nobody will care to criticize, i don't think so... Being linear sir has infinite possibility compare to running in circle manner.

Like what i've said, there is no pro-pnoy that I can possible take noticed of, they been eradicated and someone said they been bullied... Anti-Pnoy in the other hand somehow manage to have a mob party, maybe not you... But some quoted like patya na na, pusila na si abnoy, gago gyud si abnoy. So I stepped in with a simple idea, to change the approach and probably we'll get heard.
I don't see a fence when I get here sir, there is a closed box, where the door was guarded by this what they called anti. The first thing I remember when I step in was a barrage of counter comment against my post, and no one even agree or supported a claim.. Just recently that this people show up to have a little bit of support. I don't know of they were pro or neutral but they seems to agree without praising the name of the President.

I have been practicing a neutral demeanor but in some instances when people get cruel, I have to defend myself. I have been attacked and bullied as well, called names, compared, threatened to be ousted, all that because I don't share 100% to what they stand for and they take me as a direct threat to the thread.

[æRLO]

Did I involved myself sa inyo debate? I been trying to get away with it, that is why you people find a lot of what you call subjective opinions simply because you already engaged me to a debate? i don't know that... What I said, Why would I engage to a debate when I felt like my idea has been discredited sa wa nagsugod.. I will never do that, kabuang gud nako ug mopatol ko na walay bili akoang stand sa inyoha. Whooow..

When you post your opinion in a forum, you better be damned ready to support it. And if it is weak, people will pick it apart. It's not a matter nga discredited na siya daan. Believe me, I've seen some PNoy supporters who put up valid reasoning. But the thing with them is they gave credit where it is due--like for example they agree that GMA was an excellent economic macro-manager as a president probably the best in a while BUT also they believe that corruption prospered and remained unchecked under her, which she should be held liable for, but believe me they are by no means "Yellow-brained" because they will admit to things that will discredit the administration even if they believe PNoy sitting in office is what's best for the country. Naa ghapon silay pagka vindictiveness, but at least they were open-minded--it still wouldn't stop me from picking at their position where it is misinformed because I don't concur with their opinion, because that is what got mankind to this level of civilization: Healthy discourse. And they'll (try) to refute using concrete evidences, and then I'll have mine and the discourse goes on. Nobody crying that they were bullied etc. I don't know where those guys are anymore, but the PNoy supporters of today are not of the same caliber. They are defensive, and like to strawman in discussions. You also have to understand that criticism is important.

Hey there's still few who did the do, i can't just deny that and get over it. It wasn't you, although you mention it once.

I'm saying it isn't exclusive to one side of the argument.

Pretty much, yes. but even dili pa na si pronoy it is still not acceptable.. again dili ikaw.. How come I can't be like the Pro when most of the people who do the derogatory comment where anti.. So when I post a comment against that type of comment it makes me the anti-anti-pnoy, and you people think I am pro coz I put noticed to anti-P post. Well.

Because simply you went into a thread titled "President Noynoy Aquino" and told people that criticism is unproductive. You became an advocate for PNoy supporters by essentially telling critics to shut up. And silencing critics is one of the tired old defense mechanisms of pro-PNoy supporters when they can't support their position anymore. Even pag-abot sa DAP, your stance is that nobody should complain about PNoy's MR, when nobody in the thread complained about it in the first place...just that it wouldn't hold water in the SC and they found it baffling because the decision was unanimous.

You know who were the Yes-men are? you can find it on your circle, maybe not you. yes of course discernment, then how they probably come up to a belief that the President should be convicted right away, is that how their judgement work? still for me a very good example. again maybe not you..

sigh...they probably came up with that belief because a law was broken and the circumstances led them to believe that it was done in bad faith. I can understand where they're coming from. IMHO I think an inquiry has to be made somewhere along the way, but I think they should let PNoy finish his term. Ang problema ani is the continuity between administrations.

Intangible by definition, but try to look around you. Ask what are these people doing, try to go somewhere sa squatter area or asa dha na daghan idle na tao. naay mga tao na dili worth sa tabang sa atuang gobyerno not even worth fighting for. Sila ang gusto nako makamata... and have their @$$ work.. ako lang gipaagi dri sa forum kay basin naay mga tao na nakakita ani with the capability to put it to action, to make these people work and do their responsibility sa gobyerno. But what I find were highly intellectual people who lived by the book and it's cover closed.

Yeah, I've met and encountered a lot of people. naay instances nga tapul ang rason pero naa say instances nga effort was always there but the circumstances were just not in their favor. The fact of the matter is it isn't that easy to generalize. But you can't deny that the government has its own (many) shortcomings that factored into many socioeconomic problems and, therefore, should be criticized for it.

I have maybes and uncertainties as step my foot in this forum section. An alternative idea of how to get out of situation is a maybe approach I rendered at the beginning of my existence dri sa forum.

then maybe you should have stayed away from partisan discussions. Like what many has told you, lahi ra ang nature sa imung topic ug sa thread.

Somalia=Philippines will never happen sir coz we were born to care TY sa nagkadaiyang relihiyon na mura ug mushroom kung motubo.. Do you think Somalian don't criticize, IDK. But summary execution had been practiced in that area.. You think those actions nobody will care to criticize, i don't think so... Being linear sir has infinite possibility compare to running in circle manner.

Somalia has no central government and is in tatters. It is practically a country run by warlords. It became what it is today because their culture/people including the government could not submit to the concept of law. If pasagdan ra nato nga mu-break ug law ang government nato, then we are already taking the first step into becoming lawless. One of the functions of criticism and protest is to right what isn't right, ie the administration breaking a law. Asa man imu mag riot or protest?

Like what i've said, there is no pro-pnoy that I can possible take noticed of, they been eradicated and someone said they been bullied

then you are in deep denial.

... Anti-Pnoy in the other hand somehow manage to have a mob party, maybe not you... But some quoted like patya na na, pusila na si abnoy, gago gyud si abnoy. So I stepped in with a simple idea, to change the approach and probably we'll get heard.

It's not the first time. I don't know how old you are but practically any leader from any country of any time has been slandered or given death threats (maybe not dictators, despots, and kings siguro). Not saying it is right, but it is that. Na bag-ohan ka or maybe it is your first time on that side of the river?

I don't see a fence when I get here sir, there is a closed box, where the door was guarded by this what they called anti. The first thing I remember when I step in was a barrage of counter comment against my post, and no one even agree or supported a claim.. Just recently that this people show up to have a little bit of support. I don't know of they were pro or neutral but they seems to agree without praising the name of the President.

so imung gusto is mu agree mi sa imung claim, even when we believe it is wrong? They only agree with your post because it is partial for the president. Kinsay pro-noy dha nga dili gusto anang walay mu criticize sa ilang idol?

I have been practicing a neutral demeanor but in some instances when people get cruel, I have to defend myself. I have been attacked and bullied as well, called names, compared, threatened to be ousted, all that because I don't share 100% to what they stand for and they take me as a direct threat to the thread.

nah, people "attacked" you because you're argument is founded on weak basis, not because we disagree with you. If you had supported it with a stronger basis, then maybe people would've attacked your argument instead. Some people even tried to help you by telling you to make a proper thread instead of hijacking one.

[cliff_drew]

Previously, na ban ang ubang Pnoy supporters because of ad hominems and trolling. But they have some valid arguments and agree on certain points. Not that really die-hard and emotional if I may say compared to supporters nowadays. They have their other accounts though but are inactive.

[emberjim]

so imung gusto is mu agree mi sa imung claim

What particular claim are you referring to?

The only kind of people who attacked me is your kind. Some kind of a mob rule. IDK.

Criticism, of course it is necessary, who said it is not? But did you address it to the right people?
Now if these yes-men as you described read about what you posted, since it is a good stand to criticize the faults of the government. What will happen next?

Do you even care reading what your kind has been posting or you reluctantly accept it because it secures your claim?
You are forming a mob you don't know that? gusto na nila ug resulta karon dayon... Is that what you also wanted?

Yeah, I've met and encountered a lot of people. naay instances nga tapul ang rason pero naa say instances nga effort was always there but the circumstances were just not in their favor. The fact of the matter is it isn't that easy to generalize. But you can't deny that the government has its own (many) shortcomings that factored into many socioeconomic problems and, therefore, should be criticized for it.

What you are saying is, the government is not aware of that and need to be criticized to make them do something? Pwede.
In a span of 6 years possible ba mahimo sa usa ka-administrasyon na ma-fix ang long time na issuesss?
Do you have a systematized idea for us to get away with it, other than whining?
Of course not all people will get the favor but why do they exert effort for something that is not productive? why don't they try a different way before they jump-up to whining?

This thread consist of whining, blaming, insulting, criticism and yes-manning ... lol
It is the best place to laid an alternative idea para sa wala pa naka yes-man at least they still have time to think twice and try for something nice... but for those who already engaged and closed its door wa na koy mahimo ana, and possible encounter of words... But then I am for those that hasn't converted yet..