Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border

[td209]

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Either an "honest" mistake by the separatist or a false flag op by Ukraine and its Western Allies.

It is very likely that the separatist made a mistake (if it was them indeed who launched the SAM) since it is likely that they only have the TELAR unit of the Buk. To properly determine and classify targets they would need the Search and Acquisition Radar unit. It could also be that they targeted a Ukrainian aircraft in the same direction as MH17 but missed and the missile homed in on MH17 instead, like what happened when Ukrainian Forces shot down Siberia Air Flight 1812 when the latter flew over a missile exercise. The SAM missed the targeted drone and hit the Flight 1812 instead.

The quick pointing of fingers towards Russia smells like false flag to me. In the shooting of MH17, Russia has nothing to gain and more to lose while Ukraine could gain sympathy and may even get NATO support for military action. Also US was quick to conclude even without proper investigation of the crash.

It seems a false flag though. Base on American media propaganda and the way their politicians points a finger without evidence. (I might say they became aviation expert overnight). Lol

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=y...&v=RMgIpC-bCfQ

Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity | Zero Hedge

[Renz8]

It is not important if the Russians or Ukraine pulled the trigger but still the tragedy only points to 1 man the would be dictator Pres.Putin who want's to rule Russia&it's neighboring Republics again to build a Russian Empire......If he did not trigger the war this incident would not have happen..............

[td209]

Actually it is the West who started this by unseating a Pro Russia Ukrainian Prime minister. Who do you think sponsored that "uprising"? That lead to unrest by already Pro-Russia citizens of the Autonomous Region of Crimea which cascaded into Donetsk region. It is the constant encroachment of NATO that is making Russia wary. Russia has been invaded twice and Russians do not forget history and do not take encroachment very lightly.

[crossramz]

sacrificial Lamb kaha ning eroplanoha and its passenger para ma pull ang plan sa nagpaluyo ani?

Abangan!!

[RyzoR]

sacrificial Lamb kaha ning eroplanoha and its passenger para ma pull ang plan sa nagpaluyo ani?

Abangan!!

kalooy pud sa mga nangamatay kung mao na

[catal4]

diay lain angle mga bosing...

https://ph.news.yahoo.com/scientist-...100657954.html

"We need to look out that corresponding to that, some sort of agency or some sort of people actually wanted to give a threat operation to this extent or they just wanted to suppress the whole economy or to initiate World War III, ...."

...the attack was a horizontal one by an unmanned aircraft which used signal hijacking technology, termed as 'cloaking technology'. He said no missile could have hit the aircraft if released from the ground, and if it did, the debris would have spread to several more kilometers than the present radius....

"If the corresponding object is hit from the ground in the sense, the targeted object, MH 17, is actually travelling in several thousand speed. If someone wanted to hit it from the ground, the formula is nothing but the vertical level parabola or vertical level throwing from the ground to hit the object in the sky. So, the corresponding escape velocity of the object, in the end, will be nothing but zero,"

...the operation could have been carried out by an agency within four hours of the MH 17 taking off, and that the aircraft could have been easily lifted up from 33,000 feet to 33,500 feet altitude within 15 minutes by hijacking its signals, which can be a reason why the Russian aviation control room had lost any contact with the flight....

[flanker]

The quick pointing of fingers towards Russia smells like false flag to me. In the shooting of MH17, Russia has nothing to gain and more to lose while Ukraine could gain sympathy and may even get NATO support for military action. Also US was quick to conclude even without proper investigation of the crash.

Totally agree with your post. It took 6 months for aviation investigators to have the result on the shotdown of Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 by the Ukrainian Military. For the West it took less than 24 hours to have the result


Well lets just wait on the investigation from an independent body like OSCE which I guess will lead.

So far Ukraine hasnt answered the 10 questions from Russia.

1. Ukrainian authorities immediately identified the militia as the perpetrators of the tragedy. What is the basis of such findings?

2. Could official Kiev to report all the details of using [BUKs] in a war zone? Most importantly - why these systems are deployed there, as the militia no planes?

3. What are the causes of inactivity of Ukrainian authorities on the formation of an international commission? When such a committee will work?

4. Are the armed forces of Ukraine international experts to present papers on accounting for missiles, air-to-air and ground-to-air ammo and anti-aircraft missiles?

5. Whether these funds objective control on the movement of the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft on the day of the tragedy brought international commission?

6. Why Ukrainian air traffic controllers allowed deviation of the route of the aircraft to the north side of the "anti-terrorist operation zone"?

7. Why was not completely closed to civilian aircraft airspace over the combat zone, especially because in this area there was no solid field of radar navigation?

8. Could official Kiev to comment on reports in the net, ostensibly on behalf of the Spanish air traffic controllers working in Ukraine, which shot down over the territory of Ukraine "Boeing" was accompanied by two Ukrainian military aircraft?

9. Why Security Service of Ukraine has begun without international representatives work with recordings of talks with Ukrainian crew dispatchers "Boeing" and Ukrainian radar data?

10. How were the lessons from previous similar disasters Russian Tu-154 in 2001 in the Black Sea? Then the leaders of Ukraine until the last minute denied any involvement of the Armed Forces of the country to the tragedy until irrefutable evidence showed no guilt official Kiev.

[reptoid]

Too much conspiracy BS from bored housewives. The Russians / wannabe Russians had been gleefully shooting down aircraft all month. They screwed up. End of story.

[RyzoR]

manggawas lagi ang mga conspiracy theories dayon ani

[godwhacker]

The black box recovered was rumored before to have been spirited out of the crashed area and sent to Russia. Now, it finally, has been handed over to Malaysia... maminaw lang una ta ug unsay mogawas ining black boxes...lisud nang mohukom dayon ta ba...

Ukrainian militia hand over MH17 flight recorders to Malaysia