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    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10204597886494255

    not the MH17.. but just see how scary it is.
    Last edited by crossramz; 07-19-2014 at 02:30 PM.

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    Irene Gunawan, 54; Sherryl Shania Gunawan, 20; and Darryl Dwight Gunawan, 15.
    Ilang first name 100% pinoy pero ilang family name murag Malaysian or indonesian

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    Quote Originally Posted by timoyans View Post
    Ilang first name 100% pinoy pero ilang family name murag Malaysian or indonesian
    ang ila father is indonesian....

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    dili siya as in sige lang....e post kaha nato ug try ang pinaka main source sa news unya didto nata mag saba2x
    unsa diay nga main source imung gipangita?....lol

    ug nganung mag saba2x man?....

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    The Final Moments Of Flight MH-17: The Russian Side Of The Story
    Tyler Durden's pictureSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 07/18/2014 09:53 -0400

    Yesterday, we laid out extensively what the official Ukrainian case was when it came to "proof" that Russian separatists had launched the Buk missile which allegedly took down flight MH-17; we also highlighted several glaring inconsistencies and questions that still remained open after the "incriminatory" YouTube clip release. So far, any international response has been muted to this hastily prepared evidence of Russian involvement, although the day is still young.

    So what about the Russian side? Below we present the key arguments made by Russia to suggest that not it, but Ukraine, was responsible for taking down the Malaysian Boeing.



    As reported earlier by RIA, the Russian Defense Ministry says it had intercepted the activity of a Ukrainian radar system on the day the Malaysian plane went down in eastern Ukraine, the ministry’s press service said Friday.

    "Throughout the day on July 17, Russian means of radar surveillance intercepted the operation of the Buk-M1 battery’s Kupol radar station located in the region of the populated area of Styla [30 kilometers south of Donetsk]," the press service said in a statement.

    “The technical capabilities of the Buk-M1 allow the exchange of data on air targets between batteries of one battalion. Thus, the launch of rockets could have also occurred from any of the batteries deployed in the populated area of Avdeevka [8 kilometers north of Donetsk] or from Gruzsko-Zoryanskoe [25 kilometers east of Donetsk],” the ministry said.

    Then we go to Itar-Tass which reported that civil flights in the air space of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be performed as the relevant communications infrastructure was destroyed there, a source from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) told ITAR-TASS on Thursday.

    “Kiev operates all air traffic control services and it is unclear how this plane (the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday night. — ITAR-TASS) could appear in the area,” he said.

    “During the combat actions in Donetsk’s airport the communication tower, a part of the united air control service was blown up,” he said adding that “planes cannot fly there.”

    On July 8, Ukraine’s State Aviation Service banned all flights over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions aiming to provide “adequate safety and security for all flights of civil aircraft in favor of state aviation.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council took a decision to close the airspace over the area of the so-called anti-terror operation to commercial flights three days ago, Rosaviatsia reported.

    This goes back to our post from last night in which we wondered just why and how did it happen that flight MH-17 diverted from its usual trajectory to fly over what was effectively restricted airspace. This also is the topic of a follow up piece by Bloomberg released overnight in which it was noted that "Malaysian Air Flight Took Route Avoided by Qantas, Asiana:"

    Qantas hasn’t used the route for a few months, said Andrew McGinnes, a spokesman for the Australian carrier, while Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific said it has been detouring for “quite some time.” Korean Air Lines Co. and Asiana Airlines Inc. said in statements they have been avoiding the area since March 3.
    One hopes that all lingering questions about the flight path, and where the instructions to change it came from, will be answered when the contents of the flight black box are released.

    And finally, as RT reported, the national governor of the Donetsk region, Pavel Gubarev, admitted that while the separatists indeed are in possession of one BUK missile unit, it is not operational, and even if it was, it would be unable to reach a height of over 30,000 feet without central radar guidance which the Donetsk region does not have, once again suggesting that a Surface to Air Missile, if indeed one was used, came from the Ukraine side. Surely it will be very easy for international monitors to validate this report.

    We will ignore circulating reports of two Ukraine jets that may have followed the Boeing as there is, at least for now, zero direct or circumstantial evidence validating this story aside from one Twitter account which has since been deleted.

    In brief the plot thickens, and all that matters now is whose propaganda, read media outlets, will be more persuasive although in reality even that is moot: in the echo chambers of ideology, most people already have their mind made up as to "who" the shooter was.
    i dont believe this. videos and images released by villagers living in the area recorded the BUKs being transported back to Russia and MISSING ONE MISSILE. the rebels also proudly bragged about shooting down a plane in the exact same area the time MH17 was shot down then they erased all their online posts about and bragging their possession of the BUKs.

    proofs so far that it is not Ukraine's fault:
    1.) villagers and rebels themselves posting images of the BUKs in social media
    2.) rebels proudly bragging about capturing the BUKs and using them to "clear the skies" days before the shoot down.
    3.) a number of Ukrainian planes have been shot down in the area already
    4.) an image of a BUK being transported from Russia to Ukraine.
    5.) villagers' pictures showing the BUKs in the area near the shoot down
    6.) the Russian ex-military who commands the rebels proudly bragging about shooting down what he thought was a Ukrainian plane in the area just a few minutes after the plane was shot down.
    7.) Ukrainian secret service capturing the phone conversation between Russian officers and rebels talking about the shoot down.
    8.) another video of the BUK with rebels heard in the background saying it was a good thing they have that weapon.
    9.) REBELS DELETING EVERYTHING THEY POSTED ABOUT THE BUKs AFTER THEY FIGURED OUT IT WAS A CIVILIAN AIRPLANE
    10.) Images of a BUK being transported back to the Russian border (probably to destroy evidence) and missing one missile.

    Russia has a lot to explain.
    In the Crimea conflict there were Russian soldiers and weapons involved.
    They are supporting the head of the rebels who by the way is a Russian and former military.
    There are captured communications where the rebels said they are waiting for the bombardment by the Russian army before starting an attack on the Ukrainians and the bombardment happened on the exact time.
    Some of the weapons in east Ukraine in the area of the rebellion are not weapons that the Ukrainian army posses. Some of the tanks and vehicles even have the Russian flag and there are pictures of military convoys coming from the Russian side of the border.
    captured communications reveal that the rebels directly report to Russian military officers.
    By the way, the captured communications by the Ukrainians are yet to be proven false. Some of them have revealed the identity of rebels before the said rebels reveal themselves to the public.

    Russia is supporting the rebel group and is being actively involved in the conflict. Just like what they did illegally to annex Crimea, they are doing the same to annex East Ukraine. They made a big mistake because some of the rebels they trained and supported have shit for brains and ended up shooting down a civilian plane. But they are still at fault.

  6. #106
    mao nay giingon nga kung kinsa man ang mibuhat ani, dako jud ning blunder sa part nila...

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    This war has to stop.

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    This war has to stop.

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    Ang problema ana krn knsay managot ana?ug russia man gani sad an unsa man c putin?presuhun?pgkamposibly.mahulog sa kwits gehapun na...

  9. #109
    ^^kung ikwits ni, mura kuyaw pa nuon ni ma hulog ug gubat.. kay dli man sad jud mu sugot ang uban countries ani na ma kwits...

  10. #110
    you cannot blame Malaysia Airlines for taking that route, there are also other airlines who are on that airspace. Blame ICAO for not blocking that airspace for commercial airlines.

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