The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[reggielovescake]

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my arguement was unconditional love ... coz there's this belief for the religious that if you won't have your child baptized and they will die a premature death, then the souls of the baby will go to hell due to this thing called original sin. absurd belief.

Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." Ephesians 2:2says that all people who are not in Christ are "sons of disobedience." Ephesians 2:3 also establishes this, saying that we are all "by nature children of wrath." If we are all "by nature children of wrath," it can only be because we are all by nature sinners--for God does not direct His wrath towards those who are not guilty. God did not create the human race sinful, but upright. But we fell into sin and became sinful due to the sin of Adam.

The points in the bible are really confusing, they go to hell because they are born with an original sin, but God loves them. How could you love someone and then cast them away for eternal suffering?

agree !!! the RC was given to us by Magellan, if not for magellan, we would have still been idolizing TREES and RIVERS and RAIN

Obviously you haven't studied our own religion. We were not idolizing trees nor rivers or rain, we have Bathala (divine being) and certainly did not despise gays or lesbians. Who created everything and certainly did not mind about your sins and going to hell -_-

unsa man nga original sin ang iyang gihatag? kay ako basa a Genesis it was good man to..wala man to siya nag ingon ang "give original sin" after niya pag himo sa tawo.

so kung ang tawo ra ang naghimo sa iyang sala, then dili siya ang naghatag sa sala...igo ra siyang nagpatuman sa silot sa maong sala

So kinsa diay nag himo sa imong sala? Kinsa may ga sulti na sala to? diba God ra gihapon? So siya ra gihapon nag sulti nga sala to.. Sala to nila dili to akoa or imoha.. Pinaka simple nga term, siya ra gihapoy nag hatag sala nako the moment gipanganak ko

[reggielovescake]

Loopholes?

Do you have any Question in the Bible that dont have any Answers from Scholars? or anybody?
Can you present US anything from the Bible that No One can Explain?

Everything In the Bible have explanation - It can even explain itself.

Its Just that you dont want to believe the explanation.

Yes, is religion real?
Are there any evidence that Jesus Christ really exist?
If the benevolent and omnipotent God is real, why so much suffering in this world? (famine, wars, disease)

Morals based on what? What basis of Morality does the Bible did not Conform? your Morals?

Killing women who are not virgins
Killing gays and lesbians
Supports slavery

Theres Not enough explanation that can Satisfy a Person that refuse to Believe that there is God. Understanding starts in our Hearts not on our Minds.

"Nothing good can come if the will is wrong. And to give evidence to him who loves Not the truth is only to give him plentiful material for Misinterpretation."
-famous quote

Anyway, the Bible is Written in accordance with God's Plan. And the Most important thing is UNDERSTANDING its True Message Requires Guidance and HELP From GOD because its a Spiritual Book not a Science or Math book. A person reads the bible and will Fully understands it by the Help from God. First you have to believe in God and ask God for the Help or Gift of understanding.

But if you dont Believe in God in the First place and you dont even recognize its spirituality then yeah its all Garbage...

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I did read the bible when I was like 16 and not just parts of it i finished the whole bible.
No it didn't require guidance or some mystical being, because it was in ENGLISH. I was young
back then, but I could understand different kinds of sentence structure. Kanang metaphors2 ba.

Why just the jews? Why not everyone in the whole world? What did the jews have that egypt didnt have?

[slabdans]

So kinsa diay nag himo sa imong sala? Kinsa may ga sulti na sala to? diba God ra gihapon? So siya ra gihapon nag sulti nga sala to.. Sala to nila dili to akoa or imoha.. Pinaka simple nga term, siya ra gihapoy nag hatag sala nako the moment gipanganak ko

at first there was a rule to be followed, then the man violate the rule, karon unsa man imong buhaton kung dunay ni violate sa rule? imong hatagan ug award?

pag violate nila sa rule, unsay may Gibuhat sa Dios? silot ba dayon? akong tubag dili but instead ni ingon nalang siya "Go and Multiply" imbis iya tong pamatyon ang unang tawo na iyang gihimo total duha ra bitaw to kabuok, iya nalang gipalayas kung asa niya to gibutang una.

so akong tubag sa imong panguta? ikaw rasad ang naghimo sa imong sala. at first dunay rule, pero bisan kahibaw naka ana nga duna na nga balaod, padayon ra gihapon ka nisupak ani. sama nalang ani imong pagsupak ron, walay lain mabasol sa atong mga palpak ato rasad kaugalingon.

hatagan tikag example: kung desisyonan kas huwes nga bilanggoon tungod sa imong mga kalapasan sa balaod, ang imong basulon ang huwes kay ngano gi desisyonan ka niya nga mabilnggo?

[reggielovescake]

at first there was a rule to be followed, then the man violate the rule, karon unsa man imong buhaton kung dunay ni violate sa rule? imong hatagan ug award?

pag violate nila sa rule, unsay may Gibuhat sa Dios? silot ba dayon? akong tubag dili but instead ni ingon nalang siya "Go and Multiply" imbis iya tong pamatyon ang unang tawo na iyang gihimo total duha ra bitaw to kabuok, iya nalang gipalayas kung asa niya to gibutang una.

so akong tubag sa imong panguta? ikaw rasad ang naghimo sa imong sala. at first dunay rule, pero bisan kahibaw naka ana nga duna na nga balaod, padayon ra gihapon ka nisupak ani.

hatagan tikag example: kung desisyonan kas huwes nga bilanggoon tungod sa imong mga kalapasan sa balaod, ang imong basulon ang huwes kay ngano gi desisyonan ka niya nga mabilnggo?

There are 2 ways to tackle this, first ni ana tong isa na metaphor ang adam & eve, and then u say dili ni metaphor.. If we were to date adam&eve now, they would be homo erectus i think. They were like monkeys that uses proto-language as their means of communication. Mura ra silag nag 'huhu haha huhu huhu' like sa mga unggoy... Who can blame them for their misunderstanding? God?

Actually pag kuha nilas original sin, cast out from garden dayun then gave us death and disease..

Second, if gihatulan sila sa huwes ilaha tong sala dili akoa, nganong damayun pa man ko nga pagumangkon ra man ko nila? Kinsa may sakto ug pangutok nga apilon ang ilang tibouk angkan e priso?

[slabdans]

There are 2 ways to tackle this, first ni ana tong isa na metaphor ang adam & eve, and then u say dili ni metaphor.. If we were to date adam&eve now, they would be homo erectus i think. They were like monkeys that uses proto-language as their means of communication. Mura ra silag nag 'huhu haha huhu huhu' like sa mga unggoy... Who can blame them for their misunderstanding? God?

sure ka na wala sila makasabot ni God? ngano naka communicate man sila? ug ngano nakasabot man sila na dili na angay buhaton and the serpent exist? diha nasad masud tong imong arguments na talking exist...kung mao na gi unsa nila pagkasinabot nga ilang languange ang sa snake ssshhhh sssshhhh raman to ug ang sa unggoy huhuhu huhu huhu Lols

Actually pag kuha nilas original sin, cast out from garden dayun then gave us death and disease..

cast to death pero wala ka maghuna-huna nga ganahan ra gihapon siyang mabalik niya ang tawo? in the first place ngano maghasol hasol paman siya sulti nga adto mo sa langit?


atong pamub-an ang ato gitawag ug silot kay dili ta kasabot kung ato hisgutan Ginoo


kung imong anak mosupak sa imong mga gusto or balaod sa balay kay kana makadaot, unsa may imong buhaton sa imong anak kung makasala gyud? imong hatagan ug award? syempre imong ng silotan para maka amgo sa ilang sayop, ug para mahatagan silag lugway sa panahon nga sila mag bag-o para nga imong mapasaylo

Second, if gihatulan sila sa huwes ilaha tong sala dili akoa, nganong damayun pa man ko nga pagumangkon ra man ko nila? Kinsa may sakto ug pangutok nga apilon ang ilang tibouk angkan e priso?

tinuod nga nadamay ka kay ppagumangkon raka...mao bitaw naa tay gitawag na pagbag-o, ngano gisilutan man ka? tungod kay bisan kahibaw naka nga sala to imo gihapon nga gibuhat.


sample napud: imong lolo tulisan ug rapist, pagka tawo nimo nganlan naka ana sa mga tawo nga kaliwat kag tulisan, karon kung tarong sad ka...ngano manulis man ka? ngano mang rape man ka?...pwede man unta nimo pag-uhon ang dalaan nga naagian sa imong mga apohan. karon gi senstensyahan ka..tungod kay padayon ka sa pagpanulis ug pagpangrape nga unta naa naman unta ng balaora

[Jhared]

sample napud: imong lolo tulisan ug rapist, pagka tawo nimo nganlan naka ana sa mga tawo nga kaliwat kag tulisan, karon kung tarong sad ka...ngano manulis man ka? ngano mang rape man ka?...pwede man unta nimo pag-uhon ang dalaan nga naagian sa imong mga apohan. karon gi senstensyahan ka..tungod kay padayon ka sa pagpanulis ug pagpangrape nga unta naa naman unta ng balaora

You're talking about people nga naa nay kabuot slabdans, ang point niya is kana mang mga bag-ong natawo, nganong naa man silay sala pagkataw nila? nga wala man silay gibuhat nga sayop?

[slabdans]

You're talking about people nga naa nay kabuot slabdans, ang point niya is kana mang mga bag-ong natawo, nganong naa man silay sala pagkataw nila? nga wala man silay gibuhat nga sayop?

talking about kabuot ug sa bag-ong nataw? asa man ka kadungog ug naay masuso or bata nga gi adto sa korte unya gi sentensyahan tungod sa sala sa iyang mga ginikanan?

[Jhared]

talking about kabuot ug sa bag-ong nataw? asa man ka kadungog ug naay masuso or bata nga gi adto sa korte unya gi sentensyahan tungod sa sala sa iyang mga ginikanan?

exactly his point. . . why are are we conceived with sin?

[<SMILE>]

I think what is meant by the term "We are born as sinners" is that we are always prone to sin as human beings.God wanted to regulate us, it would be quite beneficial for us for it would be so chaotic and disorderly if such tendency would never be controlled. Measures and guidelines are implemented as per faith to address this shortcoming the stronger the faith the less chances to commit sins per se.

[porbidaman]

my question to the apologists...

Spoiler!