"Most Pinoys unaffected by price hikes" - Aquino

[æRLO]

Answer those why's and maybe you'll understand why, and maybe you will also find the answer why we have no right to ask them why.

This is a very complicated issue against the Government and I totally agree to all simple explanation why you people protest. But protesting does not bring us any results for decades and can be defined as well as futile or has been futile. Making the million of Filipino change at once is indeed impossible and I even quoted it "impossible", but what I am trying to say is what if we try it that way, one step at a time and maybe, just maybe we'll get there rather than keep on protesting. Now if that is impossible, then it leaves us no right to protest or we can have your hopeless protest for the rest of our lives, this Government will never change not unless the people who made this government change, and that is my point.

impossible for people to instantaneously "change". Mas-impossible if there is nobody to lead them? wa jud ka kasabot sa pi-pila nang post? Whether you ask for an instantaneous OR gradual change it won't happen without the leadership (the government) demonstrating change! Baliktad mana imu, you are asking the many to lead the few into a change. Imung pagsabot goes against primal human behavior.

For your BTW question, my answer is none that I know of.
Let me have my BTW question for you. Can you tell me an instance in our very own time that we Filipino get what we want through a countless protest and benefited by it?

Hacienda Luisita being brought into arbitration in the SC?
How about the U.S. Naval Base in Subic?
How about the closure of the Bataan Nuclear Plant?
One of the main reasons the PDAF is to be omitted from the next budget is because of protests.

Those are just to name a few.
and that only includes protests in the national level. Naa pay protests that are not of National interest.

[Romeojin]

You dont exist to serve the government, Let the govt serve you. - T. Locsin

[emberjim]

Hacienda Luisita being brought into arbitration in the SC?
How about the U.S. Naval Base in Subic?
How about the closure of the Bataan Nuclear Plant?
One of the main reasons the PDAF is to be omitted from the next budget is because of protest.

Those are just to name a few.
and that only includes protests in the national level. Naa pay protest that are not of National interest.

And the benefit it gives to the Filipino people? Those successful campaigns and all of those that was not mentioned previous successful protests were only put into a deep sleep.

They want that US Naval Base out because they were no good for the ongoing monkey business here. It wasn't the people who want them out, it was the few who used the people to shout "get out". If we want them out of our lives, then why we wanted to get out of here and go to the US if we have the chance? Filipino hypocrisy?

Nuclear Plant a very good source of electric power and is cheap when it is already in operating state. The structure was built the machine and all were in placed. Again, it wasn't us who wanted it stopped, it was the few who used the people to shout "stop" for their business interests not the overlooked danger of the word "nuclear". Look at us now we have no control of our own resources, we have oil rig but it isn't for us and blame the government for the price hike? Of course it was the government to blame, but who made this government and who allows it, again it boils out to us. Kay gapagamit ta, cge protesta without asking and finding the answer sa pangutana na "why"?

PDAF was introduced in 1922 and of course, for a good cause. When Marcos seated as the Pres. PDAF was not in action but they have the GAA given to his Assemblyman for the hard and soft projects like bridges, power lines, medicine and all that matter, by then we live in an harmonious democracy. Since PDAF is no longer used, it sparks a conflict of interest and our politicians was so angry about it. So we protested against the government for them, without knowing "exactly" why. What we're told was, the first family is stealing money from us... So we protest, protest and protest. To stop it and clear the street Marcos declare the Martial Law backed up by his very own Defense Minister JP Enrile who then turn bitter when the things went sour for Marcos. And eventually become one of the 24 Senators, that was when Cory the Mother of our "SWEET DEMOCRACY" bring back the PDAF to life, so everybody happy.

Since we Filipino shouts and protests when we get paid and the worst is sell vote to who ever willing to pay and perhaps a "promised" assistance for the rest of its life, this Politician who happen to be a businessmen invest a lot of money but expect more in return when seated. PDAF is their cash cow to get their money back or their Party Budget for the next election. But then the sharing wasn't fair the administration don't feel like getting what they targeted for, since the queen of scam served the opposition, they cracked the 30 years piggy bank and there you are the "SCAM". Now since the administration need to get back what they spent, and enough is wasn't enough, they created the "DAP" their own cash cow.

Clearly, protesting is not the solution to sort things out, especially to stop corruption happening in our system (samot na kay ginagamit ra ta). When we protest, it wasn't our nation's interest that we protect, it is our own greed. Greed without a power is a nuisance, empower ourselves by changing the system within us. Stop the greed that lurks within ourselves. If it is still impossible, then we are hopeless and we're bound to a spell of never ending protest. Mura ug "Neverending Nights". TY

[æRLO]

And the benefit it gives to the Filipino people? Those successful campaigns and all of those that was not mentioned previous successful protests were only put into a deep sleep.

the fact still remains that protest did do something. As opposed to not doing anything. Ayaw ko ingna if walay kisaw those aforementioned issues would have some sort of resolution. The corruption in the government is a very broad subject, but we can all agree that we will be better off without it. So idk where you got this premonition that the issue is a benefit or not.

They want that US Naval Base out because they were no good for the ongoing monkey business here. It wasn't the people who want them out, it was the few who used the people to shout "get out". If we want them out of our lives, then why we wanted to get out of here and go to the US if we have the chance? Filipino hypocrisy?

there were a lot of nationalists who wanted the Americans out, and it just so happens that there were senators who rode along those protests. The Anti-nuclear movement also wanted the naval base out because of the problems regarding toxic waste disposal.

Nuclear Plant a very good source of electric power and is cheap when it is already in operating state. The structure was built the machine and all were in placed. Again, it wasn't us who wanted it stopped, it was the few who used the people to shout "stop" for their business interests not the overlooked danger of the word "nuclear". Look at us now we have no control of our own resources, we have oil rig but it isn't for us and blame the government for the price hike? Of course it was the government to blame, but who made this government and who allows it, again it boils out to us. Kay gapagamit ta, cge protesta without asking and finding the answer sa pangutana na "why"?

regardless, it was brought to focus by countless protests in the late 70s and early 80s. If you think people were not genuinely scared with anything "nuclear" back then, then you obviously don't know about the ongoings then. There was Chernobyl and the Three-mile island accident. It was the power of protest that put focus on it. Whether that protest was beneficial is not the subject, because imung argument is way gamit ang protests.

PDAF was introduced in 1922 and of course, for a good cause. When Marcos seated as the Pres. PDAF was not in action but they have the GAA given to his Assemblyman for the hard and soft projects like bridges, power lines, medicine and all that matter, by then we live in an harmonious democracy. Since PDAF is no longer used, it sparks a conflict of interest and our politicians was so angry about it. So we protested against the government for them, without knowing "exactly" why. What we're told was, the first family is stealing money from us... So we protest, protest and protest. To stop it and clear the street Marcos declare the Martial Law backed up by his very own Defense Minister JP Enrile who then turn bitter when the things went sour for Marcos. And eventually become one of the 24 Senators, that was when Cory the Mother of our "SWEET DEMOCRACY" bring back the PDAF to life, so everybody happy.

don't use PDAF and pork barrel interchangeably. PDAF was created under Cory's term, "pork barrel" is way before that, even before 1922. Again, the power of protest (specifically the million people march).

Since we Filipino shouts and protests when we get paid and the worst is sell vote to who ever willing to pay and perhaps a "promised" assistance for the rest of its life, this Politician who happen to be a businessmen invest a lot of money but expect more in return when seated. PDAF is their cash cow to get their money back or their Party Budget for the next election. But then the sharing wasn't fair the administration don't feel like getting what they targeted for, since the queen of scam served the opposition, they cracked the 30 years piggy bank and there you are the "SCAM". Now since the administration need to get back what they spent, and enough is wasn't enough, they created the "DAP" their own cash cow.

Because the DAP is still considered constitutional, right? And how did DAP become a big national issue that ended up with it being scrapped? Certainly not by sitting on our hands. No, because people COMPLAINED and CRITICIZED it.

Clearly, protesting is not the solution to sort things out, especially to stop corruption happening in our system (samot na kay ginagamit ra ta). When we protest, it wasn't our nation's interest that we protect, it is our own greed. Greed without a power is a nuisance, empower ourselves by changing the system within us. Stop the greed that lurks within ourselves. If it is still impossible, then we are hopeless and we're bound to a spell of never ending protest. Mura ug "Neverending Nights". TY

let's completely forget nga dili protest ang mga gi-advocate sa mga tao diri sa thread. You completely took the thread and ran away with it. And basehan lang sa latest post nimu, it contradicts sa imung point that the government has no power or control over anything. Nobody is going to take your argument seriously if all you do is cherry-pick, strawman, and go around in circles.

[emberjim]

let's completely forget nga dili protest ang mga gi-advocate sa mga tao diri sa thread. You completely took the thread and ran away with it. And basehan lang sa latest post nimu, it contradicts sa imung point that the government has no power or control over anything. Nobody is going to take your argument seriously if all you do is cherry-pick, strawman, and go around in circles.

Exactly, but you were the one who let me dance to your lengthy dancing tunes, so I have my strides, stops, and twirls along with it. The government has totally out control because they have no control over facts of corruption. The thread is all about the price hike that was claimed that majority is not affected, I'm aware of that. And I know that you know that, that wasn't true. Tama?
Pero and ako punto, asa nagsugod kani na problema? sa systema, sa gobyerno? Tama... Kinsa man na ang gobyerno, kinsa nag nagbuhat ana, and how na siya na assemble? who made the corrupt system and who supported it?

Sa ako lang kita ang naay pinakadako kaau na contribution kung ngano naa tay problema karon sa atoang ekonomiya, sa panggobyerno, sa atoang pang adlaw adlaw na panginahanglan. The reason I don't support the idea na i-blame ang kinsa ba dha na government official. Kay sama ra na gikunsinti nato ang corruption. Ayaw i-agitate ang mga common na tao, nga mao ni mao na, tungod ni sa giingon ni Presidente na tuwid na daan unya asa na man. Kay mosamot na sila na di kasabot, kung ngano naingani ta karon............. Ipasabot sa ilaha kung ngano, ug ang ako ikatampo mao ni.... Stop corruption sa kada usa sa inyo kaugalingon para maayo ang reflection sa atoang panggobyerno.... the rest is history....

[vahnhelsing]

nigawas na jud intawn..
mao nay sakto bossing, ipagawas na imong kalantip diretso..

ONT.. wa gihapon.. murag kita ray gibuang ani,
hain naman tong panaad nga dili moimport ug bugas?
nabuhat bah?

[æRLO]

Exactly, but you were the one who let me dance to your lengthy dancing tunes, so I have my strides, stops, and twirls along with it. The government has totally out control because they have no control over facts of corruption. The thread is all about the price hike that was claimed that majority is not affected, I'm aware of that. And I know that you know that, that wasn't true. Tama?
Pero and ako punto, asa nagsugod kani na problema? sa systema, sa gobyerno? Tama... Kinsa man na ang gobyerno, kinsa nag nagbuhat ana, and how na siya na assemble? who made the corrupt system and who supported it?

Sa ako lang kita ang naay pinakadako kaau na contribution kung ngano naa tay problema karon sa atoang ekonomiya, sa panggobyerno, sa atoang pang adlaw adlaw na panginahanglan. The reason I don't support the idea na i-blame ang kinsa ba dha na government official. Kay sama ra na gikunsinti nato ang corruption. Ayaw i-agitate ang mga common na tao, nga mao ni mao na, tungod ni sa giingon ni Presidente na tuwid na daan unya asa na man. Kay mosamot na sila na di kasabot, kung ngano naingani ta karon............. Ipasabot sa ilaha kung ngano, ug ang ako ikatampo mao ni.... Stop corruption sa kada usa sa inyo kaugalingon para maayo ang reflection sa atoang panggobyerno.... the rest is history....

daghan ra kaayo kang wrong implications ani. You're implying that there are no political dynasties who have skewed the electoral system in the Philippines. You're implying that the government has no power over anything. You're implying that all people do in this thread is blame when really people here are just reacting to the BS the president is spewing. The system is messed up, and it will stay messed up until the status quo in the government changes. It will stay messed up until a real leader does come out of the many pretenders and genuinely wants to change the status quo.

No matter how much effort the populace puts into ushering a change it won't work, because the people in power won't have none of it. Pareha aning PNoy, the general outlook of the Philippines was optimistic. It didn't last because he was revealed to be just more of the same--probably worse because he's incompetent on top of everything. Our country's outlook dictates how people behave, but unfortunately that outlook heavily relies on the government itself. You can't deny that. So if you want real change, start from the top.

[Dorothea]

Wow! It must be nice to live in a bubble.

[emberjim]

If you want real change, start from the top.

I am implying the fact behind the scenes not the norms we used to live with.

Go ahead start from atop, but please don't keep me wondering why you keep wandering down here below.

Tanawon nato ug mamatay ang kalunggo ug sige nimo ug kalot ang iyahang ulo.

[kageron]

loslos wa namay choice ang uban gud mopalit nalang bisag mahal kay part sa needs