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  1. #8231

    Quote Originally Posted by woga View Post
    History.....Kinsay nag mugna ani Catholic religion? na limot na gud ko...

    the Catholic Church can trace her roots to the apostles themselves, the term is called apostolic succession.
    the Roman Church is believed to be established by St.Peter according to History and writings of early church Fathers.. therefore it is Christ who established His Church, the Catholic Church through His apostles, esp St.Peter.(Matt 16:1

    The term Catholic is from the Greek word Katholikos which means universal, specifically used when addressing in general, according to the whole or on the whole..
    or simply referring to the whole Christian Church.

    "The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote: "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
    source: History of the term "Catholic" - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Last edited by noy; 07-03-2014 at 12:15 AM.

  2. #8232
    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    the Catholic Church can trace her roots to the apostles themselves, the term is called apostolic succession.
    the Roman Church is believed to be established by St.Peter according to History and writings of early church Fathers.. therefore it is Christ who established His Church, the Catholic Church through His apostles, esp St.Peter.(Matt 16:1

    The term Catholic is from the Greek word Katholikos which means universal, specifically used when addressing in general, according to the whole or on the whole..
    or simply referring to the whole Christian Church.

    "The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote: "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
    source: History of the term "Catholic" - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    ingon akung uncle nga pari giingnan mi niya bro, kana bitaw balhen2 lge ug religion, sahay lge atong pagto-o ba.. ingon siya,ayaw balhen ug laeng religion.. stay a catholic. murag catholic jud ang unang religion bro sa? st.peter gud ang unang bishop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhoj747 View Post
    Ang binuhatan nato ang makaluwas sa atong kaugalingon dili ang religion.Kung naay moingon ari mo diri sa among religion kay maluwas jud ka (bakak na brod) Ang pagtulon-an gitudlo sa matag relihiyon ug imong buhaton ang maayo ug isalikway ang mga daotang buhat cguro maluwas ka pero kung naa ka sa religion nga nag singgit nga anaa sa ilahang relihiyon ang kaluwasan pero ang imong binuhatan dili iya sa GINOO impossible kaau nga maluwas ka..Bisag unsa nga relihiyon basta ang binuhatan sa mag totoo iya sa GINOO may purohan sa kaluwasan...Pwera lng sa relihiyon nga misalikway ug wala mutoo sa GINOO kana klaro nang dili iya sa GINOO lisud pa maluwas...
    sakto-a gyud brod. hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    or..basin ikaw ang nasayop ug sabut sa gisulti sa imung uncle..hehehe

    when you said Jesus is God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit..
    murag imung pasabut si Jesus ra pud ang amahan..which denies the diversity of each person in the trinity..hehe

    the Father is the Father and Jesus is Jesus bro..dili na sila interchangeable.
    otherwise, murag ingun ani ang resulta..ang Amahan, nagpakatao nahimong anak or ang amahan nga mao ra pud ang anak, gipadala niya ang iyang kaugalingon sa kalibutan..hehehe..
    that is not supposed to be the case..
    One Divine being,One God but there are 3 distinctive persons in that one divine being...the father, the son and the holy spirit..

    Please note that this does not suggest polytheism kay usa ra man jud ang Diyos, duna lay tulo ka persona..
    kung ikaw tao, naa usa ka persona..imung buhi nga iro..walay persona kay dili man na person ang mananap..hehehe
    ang Ginoo dunay tulo ka persona..

    unless mao ra pud ni imung pasabut, then your statement was rather incorrectly put.
    akung nasabtan gud regarding ana is that the father,the son and the holy spirit is one ra. naatoy verse sa bible.. unsaon nimo pagkaela sa amahan ug wala ka kaela sa anak, if wala ko nasayop. pero sakto ka bro, 3 na sila ka persona.

  3. #8233
    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    bai jhared, ato lang klarohon ha basin maglibog ang atoang forumers..hehehe..
    From the Catholic Perspective, Jesus is not a demigod(half god and human or a lesser god) but rather the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity, equal, consubstantial and coeternal with the Father and Spirit.

    although we know that Jesus can be considered as Mary's biological son because of the fact that He came out from her womb, this however does not mean that Mary's humanity affects the divinity of Christ because Mary is conceived without original sin( the doctrine of immaculate conception.)
    this however does not mean that Mary is god in herself for being born without bearing the sin of adam..but rather a soul cleansed and saved by God in a different fashion than all of us as the holy vessel of the word incarnate.


    if that's how you see it. then so be it. hehe

    but please remember that Jesus taught about respecting and loving our parents.
    calling Mary His mother as woman does not necessarily mean He disregards or disrespects her as His mother...like the example you gave above..

    but rather, Jesus is both divine and human in nature so when Jesus speaks with authority over all things and creation, including Mary, the mother of His humanity, He is speaking in His divine nature. just like when Jesus address Himself as the son of God does not necessarily mean that He is a lesser God than the Father but rather He is speaking about His human nature that is created by God.. otherwise Jesus wouldn't have said to Philip in John 14:9-11
    "Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?".


    i'm not a priest bai like you assumed. hehehe.. in fact, i'm a married man.
    The references for the answers i gave would be coming from personal encounters through series of doctrinal instruction programs and personal researches about the Faith and of course from the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the entirety of the Catholic perspective.

    i don't deem myself as someone who knows better than others, i just answer and defend the Catholic Faith to the best of my knowledge about the Church's Doctrines and Teachings.



    Yes i believe it's true, it's not religion nor one's religiousity can save our souls but it doesn't mean religion is not important..
    through religion, one may know Salvation...
    ingon amung one of our relatives,apil mn siya anang b.c.e guro tawag ana bro,maobana? nangotana ko niya nga tinuod diay walay religion mkaluwas. ingon siya, naa may religion nga mkaluwas ang "catholic".

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    @noy bansaya jud nemu bro,pero salamat sa pagtobag, nosebleed ko kadiyot.

  4. #8234
    Bro, I just want to beg to disagree, its not our works that we are saved it is by grace bro it is a gift, that what Ephesians 2:8-9 states. Kay for me, if it is by our own works, then how are we judged by God according to this? In James niingon, if anyone breaks a single commandment he broke it all, and Romans For all have sinned and fall short. Tapos gi.add pagyud sa Romans, nga the wages of sin is death. If works nato ang basihan then no one deserves heaven kay tanan makasasala. that's wyh Eph. clearly states, For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
    So if it is a gift, how can we receive it? Roman has also the answer
    If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

    God bless bros.

  5. #8235
    question:

    1. katung naa pa si jesus sa earth, he died at the age of 33. (nag ask ko ani sa usa ka taw,catholic japun siya,naa sa encyclopedia daw) what can u say about this?

    2. we are now in the year 2014. maonay age karun ni jesus 2014 since sa iyang pagkamatay,if wala ko nasayop. (nag ask lng gehapun ko ani sa isa ka taw.)

    3. tinuod nga december 25 nataw ang ginoo? i read in jehovah's witness nga october daw iya birthday. naay proof nga december 25 nataw si jesus? maoni giingon sa kaela nku.

    4. we as a catholics,mo confess sa pari. i ask some catholics ug kinahanglan bajud mo confess ta sa pari or direct lng ni god. they told me,you need to confess kay ang mga pari mn ang mitiwas sa gehemo sa ginoo katung naa pa siya sa kalibutan. but in other religion they dont confess to the priest or i dunno ug sa pastor, they just confess directly to god. pero,if we confess to the priest. muingon bya jud sila "through jesus christ",pinaagi gehapon sa gahom sa ginoo. kinahanglan bjud ta mo confess sa priest or pwede direct to god nlng? what can you say about this?

    next time nlng ang ubang question.hehe

  6. #8236
    Ako wala na man gyud koy labot anang RC or any religion. But for those who still believe, that is good for you as long as you keep it by heart for moral value... Ako ikasulti about ani... kanang naghikog mao na sila ang dapat misahan kay sila ang mas nanginahanglan kung gatoo gyud mo sa ginoo... but to decline someones "soul" na makasulod sa "heaven" is far worst than worst thing na gnatudlo sa simbahan na dili dapat buhaton....

  7. #8237
    All I know is ang makaluwas nato kay ang pagsalig nato sa Ginoo .

  8. #8238
    Bro, I would try my best to answer you using the Bible itself para bro, para makita gyud nimo for yourself.

    1. "Luke 3:23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry." Proof na at what age nag.start ang ministry ni Jesus. After that within Jesus' age of 30 until he died, naay 3 annual events na.attenan si Jesus; John 2:13 - Passover, John 5:1- Feast of The Jews, assumed to be Passover, John 6:4- Jewish Passover. and then Jesus died on the eve of the Passover. So scholars safely assumed that Jesus died at the age of 33.

    2. Yes you are right, 2014 AD. AD means Anno-Domini it is Latin for The Year of our Lord. Its start from the date of Jesus Birth. However Jewish people used the Jewish calendar, which starts at the month of Abib (which is April) and also the month of the Passover Exodus 13:4, while on the other hand Rome uses the Julian Calendar, which starts on the month of march, but during the late 16th century the Gregorian Calendar was used which starts on January, and we are now using it now. So kani atong date karun is only base on scholars calculation, we could not really say nga exact gyud nga perfect but almost lang.

    3. It is now CELEBRATED on Dec 25th, there is nothing in the Bible to indicate it. Ni.apir nisiya nga date on the 4th century na, lahi pud sa mga eastern church Jan. 6. wala man gihintulot ni God nga isulat sa author ang date sa birth ni Jesus, so it means basin the date is not really that important.

    4. 1 John 1:9 tells us "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". clearly states that si God would willing clean you if you confess your sin, there's no need for a mediator, because Christ is our only mediator 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
    however In James 5:16 states
    "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working". This verse speaks of confessing our trespasses “to one another,” but this is not the same as confessing sins to a catholic priest as the Roman Catholic Church teaches. Cathollic Priests / church leaders are nowhere mentioned in the context of the verse. walay relation ang forgiveness of sins with the confession of sin to one another. But however if truly you trust your priest and that he would pray for you personally and sincerely go ahead, tell him. But however dili gyud sya required nga catholic priest ra gyud imung sultian.

    I appreciate you bay, asking this questions. If you truly seek the Lord and wanted to know the answers, naa ra tanan sa Bible bro, no other book.

  9. #8239
    Quote Originally Posted by femchien View Post
    All I know is ang makaluwas nato kay ang pagsalig nato sa Ginoo .
    luwas para sa asa man??

    undangi na inyung immoral nga hell threats oi...

    ayaw ninyog ingna ana akong future anak ha?? malambusan jud tamo..

  10. #8240
    ang pagbabalik.. LOL

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