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  1. #61

    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    Manuel L. Quezon.. it was him who really fought for our independence and succeeded..
    Si Manuel Quezon kay sa panahon naman ni siya sa mga Amerkano oi. wala mani siya sa naa pa mga katsila.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiyoshishannen View Post
    My opinion...He was an American sponsored hero. The Philippine officials voted Andres Bonifacio as the National Hero but the Americans changed it .
    According to Ambeth Ocampo, the reason why the Americans favored Rizal over Bonifacio is because they do not want the Filipinos, like Boni, to make another bloody revolution against them.

    Quote Originally Posted by MeaCulpa View Post
    anyways, that's the point, since Rizal was the key for Filipinos to be united. If only he just believe in revolution. it's not about being violent, its about fighting the right fight. true, works of Rizal awaken Filipinos but it was not the reason why we have our freedom. (freedom? really? do we have that now? )
    Rizal is Bonifacio's idol. When Boni was still a teenager, he already idolized Rizal. One accounted incident was when Rizal and the rest of the staff of La Liga Filipina, if I'm not mistaken with the name of the circulation, was having a meeting here in the Philippines, Boni was so eager to see his idol Rizal. It was Rizal's novels that imbued the revolutionary passion of Boni.

    That is why when Rizal declined joining the revolution, Boni got angry. Because of this incident, Boni used Rizal's image and hang it in all of KKK's camps (pareho bitaw anang kay Pres. PNoy i-sab-it ang picture sa likod sa mga opisina sa politiko?) as if to show that Rizal has something to do with the Revolution which the Spaniards believed. The katipuneros also used Rizal's name as a sort of password. In fact, Rizal was sentenced to die not only because of his works, but mainly because he was the "brain of the revolution."

    Rizal actually did more than just wrote his novels, directly or indirectly.

    OTOH, one thing, among the many, that separates Rizal from the rest of the candidates of being our National Hero is his dream of having the Filipino identity. He was the first "Filipino," before we were called "Filipinos", to insist that we have our own identity. We are not merely indios or slaves of the Spaniards. We are Filipinos.


    Quote Originally Posted by MeaCulpa View Post
    I don't much give credit to Rizal jud if it comes to our freedom because maybe if he was not executed, if he only supported the revolution dili unta to siya madakpan ug mapatay. Rizal was confident nga misakay sa barko padung Cuba kay he thought di na siya hilabtan sa mga Espanyol kay magdoctor lage daw siya didto sa Cuba but saon ta man, gidakop man siya ug gipatay. If wa siya mapatay, maybe he will lead the Filipinos with his education and the strength of Katipuneros. He was fulfilling his own prophecy ra man. hehe.
    mao ra na. hehe
    Rizal died because he chose to. He was in Singapore at that time when he was already tagged by the Spaniards as the brain of the revolution (they say it's Mabini but that is just a title in our elementary history books). He knows better than anyone else that when he returns to the Philippines, he will be executed. His family and friends do not want him to return home because they are afraid of the consequences. However, Rizal said that what does all his novel's mean if even the writer has no courage of facing the Spaniards. So he returned to the country to continue with his own way of revolution. I believe, that is why we have the quote "The Filipino is worth dying for."

    It is not right to say that Rizal did not support the revolution. He was against it at that time Dr. Pio tried to convinced him because we do not have the arms and force to defeat the Spaniards. He said many will just die in vain. True enough, many really died and in the end, we were just sold to the Americans. Unsa man tawon laban sa "itak" against sa pusil. Mao rana ang point ni Rizal.

  2. #62
    para nako c lapu-lapu

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by salbahis_nga_ginamos View Post
    Rizal died because he chose to. He was in Singapore at that time when he was already tagged by the Spaniards as the brain of the revolution (they say it's Mabini but that is just a title in our elementary history books). He knows better than anyone else that when he returns to the Philippines, he will be executed. His family and friends do not want him to return home because they are afraid of the consequences. However, Rizal said that what does all his novel's mean if even the writer has no courage of facing the Spaniards. So he returned to the country to continue with his own way of revolution. I believe, that is why we have the quote "The Filipino is worth dying for."
    "The Filipino is worth dying for." was from Ninoy Aquino and not from Rizal.

  4. #64
    nana mana ayaw nalang nag usba kay hasul na..maka create rana ug confusion ug kagubot sa mga katawhan....

  5. #65
    Let history be. For me, there's actually no sense to change it any longer.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by MeaCulpa View Post
    Leon Kilay. Andres Abellana.
    Osmeņa Blvd...

  7. #67
    Noli mi tanghere - Rizal nalang kay kinsa paman di-ay la-in? hehehe para walay libog

  8. #68
    maypa si manny pacquiao nlang para bibo... dili lalim ang makig laban para sa ating bayan... para sayo ang laban na to. bahalag muhubag ang nawong sa komo basta para sa bayan lang ...

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by salbahis_nga_ginamos View Post
    Si Manuel Quezon kay sa panahon naman ni siya sa mga Amerkano oi. wala mani siya sa naa pa mga katsila.
    Aw o.. but he managed to claim independence through diplomatic actions rather than the usual violence.. violence didnt really worked, wala napapahawa ang spaniards tungod anang atong mga gubat against nila, gibaligya man ta nila sa amerkano maong nanghawa to sila, and Quezon freed us from the hands of the americans without spending a penny.. True heroism is fighting without needing to draw a sword or pull a trigger... and it is in my opinion that if we are to choose a national hero it's Quezon..
    Last edited by Xian120; 06-26-2014 at 10:31 AM.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_hard View Post
    nana mana ayaw nalang nag usba kay hasul na..maka create rana ug confusion ug kagubot sa mga katawhan....
    there is nothing to change, kay wala pamay official jud nga national hero FYI!!

    i prefer manny pacquiao maoy national hero... wala lang

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