Pope Francis versus The Vatican

[MollyMillions]

@amingb

Interesting. Gai ko link beh. Sensya dili ko updated sa Catholic doctrine nah. Taud taud na sad.


And, to those who have not yet heard of Jesus and the good news, Ako masulti lang is, we are at the age of Dispensation of Grace, and only God and the person itself knows what is in their hearts.

Mao ra nay importante, si Lord ray mag igo.

[amingb]

Importante sad gyud nang susihon sad imong pagtoo para malamdagan tah pag ayu. Pero kng walay panahon ang tawo, depende na na nila. Sila ang mag-igo =)

I try to be as open minded as I can, lisud na masayup ug sayup ta and magpadayun nga sayup. =)

Ah ic .. mao na kasagaran sa mga Catholico based on Emotion ra kay wa panahon pag sabot ....

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@amingb

Interesting. Gai ko link beh. Sensya dili ko updated sa Catholic doctrine nah. Taud taud na sad.

Im not a Catholic but concern kos mga gipang buhat sa Vatican ... dugay naman ni ...

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html

[amingb]

Ang uban mga Catholico kaau labi nas taga Province katong mga tigulangaon na .. dili mo tuo ug Bibliya unya religioso kaau ... malupig man gud ug debate ... mo ingon dayon litse nang Bible yawa .... ataya tinood biya na ...

Moa na ako gina ingon kasagaran sa Catholic kay Faith By Emotion ... wa kabalo sa Doctrina kay way time pagsabot ...

[MollyMillions]

Mao nah. dili man nato sila macontrol , though pwede man ma educate . Pero in the long run, the choice is theirs.

That is why bilib kaayu ko ni Lord, kay nakaya gyud niya ug love ang katawhan despite it all.

[Sigbin Puti]

Aws, sayanga pd oi. I really appreciated the Pope's gesture. I don't believe in hell, but the gesture would have gave catholics who thought atheists were damned and treat them as such food for thought. Ah well.. I still respect him.

[amingb]

Mao nani karon ... ang Pope sa Roman Catholic kay ATHEIST ....

[MollyMillions]

Wanna add :

Matthew 12:30
30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

Matthew 12:33-36

33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. 35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.


Anha ko mutan-aw sa resulta nga gipakita ni Pope Francis.

Matthew 7:16-18
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?¹⁷ Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. ¹⁸ A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

[21guns]

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Im not a Catholic but concern kos mga gipang buhat sa Vatican ... dugay naman ni ...

The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised

Dong ayaw na intawon kalibog why ang mga mamatay infant ma heaven palihog ko basa ani dong ma nulte bitaw ka sound suheto na gyud kas bible please ko verify maayo bani ug dili? Kalimte nalang to ang taga bukid na di tawon suheto sa bible, wala gani tawon na sila gani ika palit bible sa ilang kakabus, wala sad bible study did2 sa bukid.

Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.

Ug about ni santo Papa sa iya mga moves sakto man, dili lang popular decisions niya mao uban di kadwat pero ug subayon sabton,,nakahatag man ug kaayohan, Christohanon man ug objective.

[amingb]

@21guns .... intown sir catholico pud biya ko before ... Doctrina intown nas Catholic regarding infant for 1 Century unya karon gi usab sa vatican nga ma heaven na sila dili na sa limbo ... wa intown ko nagpaka sueto, mao rana ako nahibaw-an ....

Unya ngano mo ingon man ka sakto nang Santo Papa .. wa diay ka kabalo unsay saktong doctrina sa Catholica nga ang Catholic ray Maluwas mao na supak sila ni Pope nga infallible ... basaha sa thread ...

Kamo nalang pag Vatican .....

Mao man siguro ni gi barogan sa Vatican ....

The fate of non-Catholics, as stated prior to Vatican II:

Before Vatican II, the Church consistently taught that only Roman Catholics had a chance to be saved and attain Heaven. Followers of other Christian denominations and of other religions would be automatically routed to Hell for all eternity:
bullet Pope Innocent III (circa 1160 - 1216 CE) is considered "one of the greatest popes of the Middle Ages..." 1 At the Fourth Lateran Council (a.k.a. the General Council of Lateran, and the Great Council) he wrote:

"There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved."

bullet Pope Boniface VIII (1235-1303 CE) promulgated a Papal Bull in 1302 CE titled Unam Sanctam (One Holy). He wrote, in part:

"Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...In her then is one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Ephesians 4:5]. There had been at the time of the deluge only one ark of Noah, prefiguring the one Church, which ark, having been finished to a single cubit, had only one pilot and guide, i.e., Noah, and we read that, outside of this ark, all that subsisted on the earth was destroyed....Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." 2

The last sentence in the original Latin reads: "Porro subesse Romano Pontifici omni humanae creaturae declaramus, dicimus, definimus, et pronuntiamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis." 3

bullet Pope Eugene IV, (1388-1447 CE) wrote a Papal bull in 1441 CE titled Cantate Domino. One paragraph reads:

"It [the Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart 'into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels' [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." 4

Unya karon bag-o puede napud malangit ang Non-Catholics ... way klaro ni nga Relihiyon .... mao rani sila infallible nga sige ug kasayop ....

But kanang nga Dogma wala pana gi usab sa Vatican II ... still existing in Catechism .. correct me if im wrong ...

pero mao jud na gibasihan sa Vatican ...

Just one day after the pope's now famous words in Rome on May 22, a Vatican spokesman the Rev. Thomas Rosica released a statement quoting a section of the Catechism of the Catholic Church that says people who reject the teachings of Jesus Christ cannot attain salvation.

"All salvation comes from Christ, the Head, through the Church which is his body," Rosica wrote. "Hence they cannot be saved who, knowing the Church as founded by Christ and necessary for salvation, would refuse to enter her or remain in her."

Nagpasabot ani nga Statement The Catholic Church ...

But hinoon gi ingon sa Vatican naa pay Chance ma Save ang Atheiest pero kinahanglan mo follow sila Christ aron ma covered sila sa Redemption ....

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Mao ni gi ingon nila nga ang Pope kay Ignorante .... wa kabalo sa balaod ni Jesus ug balod sa Vatican ...

[amingb]

Bisan contra kaau nako nang Vatican ill still sided with them against the infaliible ignorant Pope ... ug gi klaro palang ni Pope nga ma Save gihapon ang Atheist ug motuo sila gu Ginoo .. kana kay way lalis ...

Kita tanan subject for Redemption pero ug dili nato dawaton si Christo wanatay labot anang Redemption ...

Ug redeem natang tanan dili nalang ta maghimo ug relihiyon mag irihis nalang unya mag binuotan lang aron malangit .. wapay daghan tun-an ug sab-ton sa iyahang mga Pulong .... kay puede raman diay ....