City dads continue protest against CCTV purchase

[agent_sky]

with FANS jud..

HAHAHHAA ...

[peesoot]

react gid sila o... HAHAHAHA.. di pwede audience muna? nangugat namo tanan..


ikaw agent_sky unsay ika-share nimo? ipakita imong pagka-brayt matod pa ni psyche54 kung ako way ka-share kay di nako ni field..


hala! tubag nefarian..


like lagi tirada.. padaghanay ni like? HAHAHAHA

[cebulifer]

Hmm, I think pareha mi ug supplier ani, kay ang usa sa ilang portfolio, is ang new Cebu City Traffic CCTV..

Again, I also headed a nationwide company cctv project, using the same brand but lesser spec than that of Cebu City... Kanang 10K-15K ngamga IP Cameras, kana ng naa sa mga banketa, gilad-lad lang sa mga stante. Industrial type may cost double,tripple (on our case), even quadruple that price (on our case).

Iconsider pud ang supporting infrastructure like the data centers (naay data center ang kanang facility sa cebu city, usa sa gipresent sa supplier), transmission (sa case sa cebu city, PLDT ang gaprovide ana per camera... Kay kana nga mga camera directly link sa internet, unlike sa katong gibuhat sa ASEAN Summit nga gagamit ug Motorola Canopy kada usa ka camera)..

15M for a 30 Camera is obviously expensive, pero di pud ingon ana kabarato as some suggested. Because you need to consider the cost of the whole infrastructure, not just the cameras...

While the fixed cost has already been determined, what we want to see now is the Monthly Recurring Cost for data transmission, data center maintenance, etc. And second, are there any budget appropriation for these facilities? Otherwise, we will see another 15M about to be thrown in garbage cans...

Anad ra ba ang gobyerno nato ani, mag-install2x ug mahalon, dayon unyag abot sa panahon, di mamaintain, ipatimbang na lang... Tanawa tong unsay nahitabo sa mga CCTV cameras nga gigamit sa ASEAN SUMMIT, wa na gani tingaliy nabilin hangtud ron. Ang kanang sa Mandaue Area, ambot ug naa pa bay nabilin..

agree to this! a proper cctv setup would be in the millions. you are not just buying the cameras but the infrastructure also.

politics lang gihapon ni!

[agent_sky]

react gid sila o... HAHAHAHA.. di pwede audience muna? nangugat namo tanan..


ikaw agent_sky unsay ika-share nimo? ipakita imong pagka-brayt matod pa ni psyche54 kung ako way ka-share kay di nako ni field..


hala! tubag nefarian..


like lagi tirada.. padaghanay ni like? HAHAHAHA

hahaha !!! watch your temper... / dile man ko brayt gud din dile sad ko mag "PRETEND" nga brayt....

[peesoot]

hahaha !!! watch your temper... / dile man ko brayt gud din dile sad ko mag "PRETEND" nga brayt....

asay temper? pagsure uy.. igo raman ko audience diri..

[marcus2015]

informative kaayo ni nga thread...

[peesoot]

informative kaayo ni nga thread...

basin naa kay ika-share sir..

[crossramz]

Do I have to add more?

bay @psyche54 thanks sa offer.. pero dili lang ko mokagat kay basin mag tunga ta sa commission.. hahaha..

anyways ang set-up diay namo sa amo office is we are not using clouds as storage. We have servers per office,(Luzvisminda/ total 8 serves) then replicate it virtually to main server sa balay sa amo.. Then another back-up server pc na mo replicate virtually sa main server. This serve as time efficient and less security risk if ever naay mahitabo like fire or bldg collapse.

So far gipang train man sa taiwan, korea ug Japan ang amoang mga SAS engineers pero wala jud sila nakahuna2x ug cloud storage.. I think mo avail nami ug training and certification ni @Nefarian para at least maka save mi ug dako2x sa budget..

[Nefarian]

Ka kataw-anan gud anang dako kaayo ug drepencya sa pagsetup on Government offices vs Private Corporations

I am talking about the setup currently proposed by GKB to the Cebu City government. Ug klaro kaayo nga we are talking about "public" cameras kay tungod kining mga cameraha naa sa mga intersections sa dalan. Mao ng naka ingon ko nga dako kaayo ug deperensya ang infra sa usa ka "public" in this case "intersection/street/corner/" cameras compared sa mga private companies. Ambot asa ka kuha anang Government offices vs. Private companies Wala jud ko ga mention ug government offices lol. Since when man tawn nahimong "public" ang government office?

What I mean aning difference sa infra between "public" (not government office ) cameras and private companies is:
1. Ang mga camera sa usa ka private company naka confined rapud within sa company. May it be in the parking lot, basement, offices, bathroom?, ug asa panang room. The company can live using wired system and host their own server. No problem.
2. Unya kining mga camera sa street intersection lahi sad ug pamaagi sa infra. I put a camera along mabolo, fuente, p.del rosario, pardo, basak, capitol, etc. Ang question do you expect ang wired system practical? Mao bitaw ng ang taga GKB(please read atong GKB document) nag propose ug wifi access point kada intersection kay tungod "impossible" kaayo ipang wire ang mga camera padung sa usa ka data center. Imagina lagi ug ang akong data center naa sa Naga, so feasible kaha ang wired system?

So to put it shortly, private companies can live with wired and wireless setup BUT a "public" in this case street cameras is only feasible using wireless system. Mao na ako pasabot sa deperensya sa infra between private vs. public( dili government office )

... Ontwa? While government data should be given utmost security concern compared sa amoa, but there is no specifics as far as my experience is concern regarding implementation of mission critical systems either gov or private corp. Do you know that the most attacked platforms, kanang gipang-maintain sa gobyerno? Kay it's a challenge for the hackers to infiltrate government platforms knowing their security infrastructure... While your theory of cloud-based IP Cams is plausible,feasible and the logical choice nowadays, but sorry to disappoint you but you are far from being correct genius! Don't get dragged by that "CLOUD" thing. I think kabalo tingali ang tanan istoryan ana ug unsa na... Let's go back to the basic which is "IP" Connectivity...

Brader we are not talking about "sensitive/top secret" data here. These are street cameras(please refer to the GKB document lagi and please don't drag the government data here). Tan'awa ng naa sa TV Patrol d ba kita kag mga CCTVs diha about current "traffic" situation diha sa Manila. See there's no secret data aning mga street cameras kay tungod ang purpose ana is to see unsay nahitabao sa surroundings. Walay nahitabo nga kababalaghan diha nga dapat i secreto sa public. Imo pasabot guro kanang naa sa mga government offices nga wala man tawn ko nakig argue or wala sad na nasulod sa akong utok. Ang naa sa akong utok kay about aning street cameras rajud. Palihug ko "sync" ug unsa sa ako utok beh aron magkasinabot ta.

Ok, here is the case of cebu city. If you think they are storing the data over the cloud, you are certainly wrong. Do you know unsa ray gigamit nila sa GKB Cloud? They only used it to propogate the cameras.. In short, mura ra na siya ug DDNS (Dynamic DNS) feature (although nagclaim ang GKB nga naa silay proprietary protocol), kay tungod ang gigamit sa Cebu City per Camera is regular DSL Line with dynamic addresses. So how would they collate all the cameras over a Wide Area Network using DSL with dynamic address? So they use such GKB feature to save on the monthly recurring charges kon nag IP-VPN pa ang Cebu City. However, all data is piped to their locally hosted storage server compared to your theory nga pwede ra sa cloud. And if you think pwede ra usa ka server? Hmmm, I think you have no idea of Data Redundancy, Load Sharing & Disaster Recovery. Kana sila, if you think mugasto ra ka ug 2M for that, ambot na lang... Pwede man nang imong proposal nga usa ra kabuok.... kon ang imong negosyo or opisina bukot2x...

Butangi! An analogy I can give you here is: Ug mo adto ka ug Pardo, how may ways kaha para maabot didto? Pwede ka via Basak or pwede sad ka via Talisay or pwede sad ka maglupad. The point here is "access". I can access the CCTVs "on the go" so I use cloud. If I am in the data center then I can access it locally. I don't know what's so "secret" aning mga data sa street cameras. If they are so secret how come nga every month or maybe every 3 months(retention) ipang delete man ang mga data? These are not "top secret" data nga i store permanently tawn. We are not talking data about how to make a nuclear bomb here nga dapat i secreto jud Wala naman gani CCTV footage nga mapakita ang Senate office bahin atong ka Ruby around year 2010.

You mistakenly compare business secret datas with street cameras mao ng big deal jud kaayo nimo ang backup. Please forget it 'cos we are not talking about business data here.

Brader pag download ragud ug apps diha sa Iphone bahin aning mga street CCTVS. Para makabaw ka nga kining mga street cameras are not "secret" data Naay daghan apps diha "real time" CCTVs around the world.

While you appreciate the wonders of streaming (youtube, etc), but what you didn't really get is the process of storing it, protecting and in worst case scenario, provide replicated data in the strangest of time when it is needed (incidents that happens 2/3 weeks or a month ago). Ibutang kono na sa imong giingon nga "CLOUD" nn ingon ana kadako nga data ug di ba maka-ubo ang host nimo. And oh by the way, our GKB diplomats (with 32GB SD card) can only handle 2-3 days of local storage when set to highest fps (if gateways are downed), 5 days max if you'll gonna use the lowest fps, pagma-exhaust na nga space, iya na sad i-overwrite ang stored data making way for the new recordings... With that capacity, multiply it by 30 sa case sa Cebu City. You do the math kay ikaw may maayo ana kon pila ang minimum storage requirement.

Cloud-Hosting is already common brader. If the cloud business isn't good then how come we still keep hearing about this thingy? Senysa brader pero dili jud nako problema ning about storage maski gazillion bytes pana. Akong nakita sa imong mga post is, you are confined what happen sa inyong company. Please for once stop thinking about your company kay we are talking about "public" CCTVS here or sa bisaya kanang camera naa sa mga dalan. Companies treat backups with utmost importance pero tawn wala ta mag talk sa inyong company diri kundi nag base ko sa documents sa GKB( please read) bahin aning implementation sa mga CCTVS along Cebu City intersections.

Ug kinsa bay gaingon nimo nga ang mga bag-ong CCTV wala nay built-in encoder? Kay atong duklon! The most common nga among gipang-gamit is H264 (igoogle dayon) encoding, as it enables us to capture high res video with minimal file size lang.

Brader last time ni question ka nako how to deal with these terabytes data over the cloud. Kay for you it seems "impossible" then karon kalit lang ka ka technical ug ni change tone. Obvious brader hehe. Kibaw naka unsa ako pasabot.

Ug kinsa bay gaingon or gatudlo nimo ani? Kay ato sad duklon! Hehehehehehehe. Ang tawong mag-himo anang imong gi-mention, pinaka-ugok na sa kalibutan... On a lighter note and not applicable to Cebu City's infra, do you even know nga bsan ang mga DVRs for analogue cams, pwede nimo maconnect sa imong network, ang uban with gigabit interface na gani? On this manner, while recording is done locally, pero pwede ka mag-live view sa laing lugar granted you have acces to Internet or VPN (Office to Office on two geographic location)? Magduda lang man sad ta nimo nga wa pa ka kakita aning mga butanga dah....

From my very first post in this thread, I am very skeptical about the price tag... I have similar cameras but not that much and my total GKB cameras is more than that of Cebu City.. I am using IP-SEC VPN (Kani sad igoogle sad..) every site via Fortigate. My setup should be much more expensive than them, but that's not what it turns out. I just don't agree on your technical thories though. Simple, and halatang wala kang experience on deploying mission critical systems.

By the way, I happen to know Cebu City's SysAd kay magsige mi ana ug abot on Dell & IBM events. Ako unya kang irecommend.. Bai @crossramz, naa ra ba kay i-bid karong semanaha, i-recommend unya ning tawhana.... LOL..

Ayaw kaulaw ibutang ang price tag sa inyong camera brader. Imo naman jud ng gisugdan since murag "die hard" jud kaayo ka sa inyong company. Maski walay labot apilon . Ma IT manager, ma gyrocopter, mga 9 digit server, karon kaila nasad ka sa SysAd sa Cebu City, unya manawag dayon ka sa mga kakusa, unya naay recommend2x. Basin sunod ani mo ana nasad nga lolo nako si Pnoy

Stick to what's in the document lang gud ta brader. Ayaw apila imong company kay dili ma relate ang setup sa inyong company bahin aning street cameras.

Ug sa Dota 2 pa, naka ON ang ulti ni Abaddon. The more you hit me the more I feel alive

P.S Please stick our discussion based on this document http://cloud-nvr.com/web/application...ebu%20City.pdf Not your company, not mine.


Basta ako "overpricing" kaayo ng 15M for 30 pieces CCTVs.

[leann]

nka work ko ka usa aning so called gkb supplier here in Cebu. overpriced jud ning insik, pro nindut ang technology nila, pro overpriced lang jd hehe.