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  1. #2221

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanong_banikanhon View Post
    Lifetime process, di ba?

    So muoyon na ka sa gisulti ni Paul sa Phil 2:12 nga 'continue to WORK out your salvation with fear and trembling' ?
    youre right bro, it is. Lisud man gud if we say we have faith in Christ yet our deeds are contrary to it. It is mere babbling or head knowledge lang and your faith is not true at all. Parehas ba anang magclaim ta to be someone (a doctor, lawyer, etc.) unya dili nato maprove ug layo ra sa atong gipangbuhat.

    Ani man gud bro, pwed jud ta makabuhat ug sala after sa atong tinuoray nga pagdawat sa Ginoo even til now. But if we continually doing it, mura ra atong gipakaulawan balik ang Ginoo.

    Hebrews 6
    King James Version (KJV)

    6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

    2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

    3 And this will we do, if God permit.

    4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

    5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

    6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
    Last edited by shockie; 02-24-2014 at 12:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockie View Post
    Ani man gud bro, pwed jud ta makabuhat ug sala after sa atong tinuoray nga pagdawat sa Ginoo even til now. But if we continually doing it, mura ra atong gipakaulawan balik ang Ginoo.
    Busa, sayop gyud kanang 'faith ALONE' nga doctrina. Kay gikinahanglan man sab diay ang pagbuhat og maayo (ang paglikay sa sala).

  3. #2223

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakinimo View Post
    about sa ilang different views about salvation through faith/work

    same...interpretation ray nagkalahi-lahi ana...pero ang tumong ug tinguha salvation

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanong_banikanhon View Post
    Asa man sad ka namunit anang word nga 'race', bro? Wala man na sa original verse. Ayaw pun-i ang nakasulat sa Matthew 16:27.
    Gusto gyud ka makakita nga kanang 'each' , tanan (ALL in english) ang gipasabot ana? Nia ay:
    Sorry bro, i was thinking about the race the apostle Paul mentioned in 2 Timothy but still related to it.
    The coming back of our Lord Jesus Christ in glory is one of the most awaited moment for the Christians. The bible talks about 3 judgments i think...nalimot ko and this one is the judgment for the believers. The one in Revelation is the Great white throne judgment, that is for all men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanong_banikanhon View Post
    Apil tong pag-backslide nimo, work pud to sa Holy Spirit?

    Ako ning gipangutana kay ang context man gud aning atong kutay (thread) is ang true faith moresulta og pulos good works. Unya imo mang gi-relate ang imong experience nga mao pud imong gibasehan nganong niuyon ka sa 'faith ALONE'.

    Di ba true faith man tong hinungdan sa imong conversion? Unya nganong ni-resulta man lagi sa pagkabackslide? Di ba pamatuod ni nga dili gyud enough ang true faith? Gikihanglan pud ang good work (in this case, the act of resisting temptations to backslide and the act of repentance human ni-backslide).
    Bro, as i said we still have the freedom to do whatever we want. Dili man pasabot tangtangan ta sa Ginoo sa atong will once the Holy Spirit will work in us. But I may say that His sovereignty and matuman, God's will overrules our will. Pwede ko makabuhat ug sala but in return God will make me uncomfortable, I may become an apostate but my life will not prosper, i can do any kind of abomination but the end of it will be Death.

    God will show His sovereignty sa atua but we also have that responsibility to respond to his conviction. We can oppose it but it always lead us to misery, failure and worse death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanong_banikanhon View Post
    Apil tong pag-backslide nimo, work pud to sa Holy Spirit?

    Ako ning gipangutana kay ang context man gud aning atong kutay (thread) is ang true faith moresulta og pulos good works. Unya imo mang gi-relate ang imong experience nga mao pud imong gibasehan nganong niuyon ka sa 'faith ALONE'.

    Di ba true faith man tong hinungdan sa imong conversion? Unya nganong ni-resulta man lagi sa pagkabackslide? Di ba pamatuod ni nga dili gyud enough ang true faith? Gikihanglan pud ang good work (in this case, the act of resisting temptations to backslide and the act of repentance human ni-backslide).
    Bro, as i said we still have the freedom to do whatever we want. Dili man pasabot tangtangan ta sa Ginoo sa atong will once the Holy Spirit will work in us. But I may say that His sovereignty ang matuman, God's will overrules our will. Pwede ko makabuhat ug sala but in return God will make me uncomfortable, I may become an apostate but my life will not prosper, i can do any kind of abomination but the end of it will be Death.

    God will show His sovereignty sa atua but we also have that responsibility to respond to his conviction. We can oppose it but it always lead us to misery, failure and worse death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanong_banikanhon View Post
    Apil tong pag-backslide nimo, work pud to sa Holy Spirit?

    Ako ning gipangutana kay ang context man gud aning atong kutay (thread) is ang true faith moresulta og pulos good works. Unya imo mang gi-relate ang imong experience nga mao pud imong gibasehan nganong niuyon ka sa 'faith ALONE'.

    Di ba true faith man tong hinungdan sa imong conversion? Unya nganong ni-resulta man lagi sa pagkabackslide? Di ba pamatuod ni nga dili gyud enough ang true faith? Gikihanglan pud ang good work (in this case, the act of resisting temptations to backslide and the act of repentance human ni-backslide).
    Bro, as i said we still have the freedom to do whatever we want. Dili man pasabot tangtangan ta sa Ginoo sa atong will once the Holy Spirit will work in us. But I may say that His sovereignty ang matuman, God's will overrules our will. Pwede ko makabuhat ug sala but in return God will make me uncomfortable, I may become an apostate but my life will not prosper, i can do any kind of abomination but the end of it will be Death.

    God will show His sovereignty sa atua but we also have that responsibility to respond to his conviction. We can oppose it but it always lead us to misery, failure and worse death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanong_banikanhon View Post
    Busa, sayop gyud kanang 'faith ALONE' nga doctrina. Kay gikinahanglan man sab diay ang pagbuhat og maayo (ang paglikay sa sala).
    wala pa nimo masabti ang logic bro.
    okay, kung Faith+ works jud ang basis of salvation. Unsa kadako/kadaghan nga good works necessary? do we have to choose lang based sa atong gusto or you are bound to follow every commandment gihatag sa Ginoo? Kung nag maintain ka in 30 years sa imong faith + works blameless then what if you fail even in the very least nya nga commandment on the 31 year, luwas ba gihapon ka? if thats the case, sigeg ka reset atong salvation.

    THis simply shows that it is only by the GRACE of God, not of works bro.
    Last edited by shockie; 02-24-2014 at 01:10 PM.

  7. #2227

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    ani tingali ang medyo klaro2 bro....

    FAITH + the fruit of the Holy Spirit

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    paras akoa Faith rajud ... kanang ning backslide kay na tintal wala pana siya faith ... baby pa wala pa na adult ...

    naa koy naauyonan nga poster nga ang kaauyohan nga binuhatan mao na resulta sa imohang faith ... mao na pasabot sa gi ingon nga "Faith is Dead without Works" ...

    Faith rajud ang gipangayo sa Ginoo ... naay daghan nag ingon nga nagtuo pero walay binohatan invalid jud na sa Ginoo ... pero naa pud binohatan nga walay pagtuo dili gihapon na puede ...

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    Samot nang mga tawo nga Yawa2x tirada ang mga tukar .. dili jud na malangit .. 100% impierno jud ...

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    ahaha..GInoo ra gihapon mo desisyon ninyo kung malangit ba mo or dili hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    ahaha..GInoo ra gihapon mo desisyon ninyo kung malangit ba mo or dili hehehe
    dili sag ko uyon ana bro ... nahisulat na dapat obedient ta ...

    Mao na gi ingon sa katong rich man nga namatay nga iyahang ingnon ang iyahang kapamilya nga init kaau sa impierno, pero ning ingon ang Ginoo nga dili na puede kay nahisulat na ... naa rajud na sa atoa ang atong kaluwasan ...

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