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  1. #2171

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    Alang sa mga nagtuo sa 'faith ALONE', unsa man inyong masulti sa usa ka pastor nga si Jerry DeWitt nga after 25 years sa iyang pagka-'niluwas' nahimong atheist?

    DeWitt grew up in the church, but it was only at 17, after being “saved” during a weekend visit to Jimmy Swaggart’s church in Baton Rouge, that he became a passionate Christian. Weeks later he spoke in tongues for the first time...

    He and his wife began touring the South, building a reputation for the power of his sermons.

    For the first time, he was treated with respect, even awe. “I had this whole prophet persona going on. I wouldn’t really mix with people before the sermon,” he told me. “All kinds of people were seeing miracles, and I believed it 100 percent.

    Finally he began to feel that his rationalist impulses were alienating and hurting his flock, and he resigned — reluctantly, he said, because he loved the human side of being a pastor, “playing Mr. Fix-It for the community.” He continued preaching part time for a while, invoking an ever more misty and ethereal God....

    He preached his last sermon in April 2011, in the town of Cut and Shoot, Tex. A month later, Natosha Davis called, and DeWitt found himself unable to pray at all.

    src:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/ma...anted=all&_r=0
    Jerry DeWitt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Ayaw ko ingna nga dili to 'true' faith ang iyang pagtoo kay murag mas labaw pa ra ba ning iyang pagtoo kay sa mga ordinaryong born-again kay kadto kunong mga nakasaksi sa iyang mga sermons nakakita gud kuno og mga miracles.

    Naunsa mang pagkahitaboa nga nibaligtad man kining si DeWitt, nga naluwas naman kaha ni tungod sa iyang tinuoray nga pagtoo sukad adtong 17 years old pa siya? Nganong nakabuhat man siya pagsalikway sa Ginoo nga once man kaha duna kay tinuoray nga faith, automatic man kaha nga pulos na good work imong mahimo?

    Dili ba klaro nga requirements gyud sa kaluwasan ang pagbuhat sa gisugo sa Dios?
    Matthew 7:21
    Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanong_banikanhon View Post
    Alang sa mga nagtuo sa 'faith ALONE', unsa man inyong masulti sa usa ka pastor nga si Jerry DeWitt nga after 25 years sa iyang pagka-'niluwas' nahimong atheist?


    Ayaw ko ingna nga dili to 'true' faith ang iyang pagtoo kay murag mas labaw pa ra ba ning iyang pagtoo kay sa mga ordinaryong born-again kay kadto kunong mga nakasaksi sa iyang mga sermons nakakita gud kuno og mga miracles.

    Naunsa mang pagkahitaboa nga nibaligtad man kining si DeWitt, nga naluwas naman kaha ni tungod sa iyang tinuoray nga pagtoo sukad adtong 17 years old pa siya? Nganong nakabuhat man siya pagsalikway sa Ginoo nga once man kaha duna kay tinuoray nga faith, automatic man kaha nga pulos na good work imong mahimo?

    Dili ba klaro nga requirements gyud sa kaluwasan ang pagbuhat sa gisugo sa Dios?
    sir naa ra sa article mismo ang tubag ana. ingon siya "he loved the human side of being a pastor." so there you go.

  3. #2173

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    ^^ The point is, after being 'saved' by his true faith (at the age of 17), dili ba dapat pulos na lang good works ang iyang mahimo? Kay epekto man kaha sa true faith ang good works. Dili kaha kini nagpamatuod nga walay pulos kun ikaw nagatuo lamang apan wala magabuhat?

    James 2:14, 24
    What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

    You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
    Unsa man pud imong interpretation sa gisulti ni Jesus sa Matthew?

    Matthew 7:21
    Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who DOES the will of my Father who is in heaven.
    Last edited by yanong_banikanhon; 02-23-2014 at 04:40 PM.

  4. #2174

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakinimo View Post
    ok then, thank u for the answer

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    bro dli lage ni about beliefs ngano na ko ngari. abuot people ni, kaning mga beliefs naa rani sa pikas thread
    unsay about people...ang topic diri abput salvation tan-awa ang title

  5. #2175

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    @slabdans

    graveh nmu oist, unsa diay imo problema nako? haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakinimo View Post
    @slabdans

    graveh nmu oist, unsa diay imo problema nako? haha
    wala man bro...pero imong style same as this

    Matthew 19:11
    11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.

    kung ganahan ka ngano ang ng gihatag nimo nga verse read the Whole passage of Matthew 19

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    wala man bro...pero imong style same as this

    Matthew 19:11
    11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.

    kung ganahan ka ngano ang ng gihatag nimo nga verse read the Whole passage of Matthew 19
    im not trying to be saved but im trying to know what these people think and how much their thoughts vary

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakinimo View Post
    im not trying to be saved but im trying to know what these people think and how much their thoughts vary
    Matthew 19:17

    17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

    kabantay ka bro tanan nimo pangutana naay biblical answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    Matthew 19:17

    17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

    kabantay ka bro tanan nimo pangutana naay biblical answer
    nangutana diay ko kung what is good? o.O ma OT nata ngare oi

    unya, sakto kaha na nga answer? anyway d nako mureply if OT pa imo response.

    nangutana ra gne ko kung unsay ilaang opinion :O

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakinimo View Post
    nangutana diay ko kung what is good? o.O ma OT nata ngare oi
    Roamns 8:28

    28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose.

    Romans 12:2
    2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

    Quote Originally Posted by pakinimo View Post
    unya, sakto kaha na nga answer? anyway d nako mureply if OT pa imo response.

    nangutana ra gne ko kung unsay ilaang opinion :O
    kana nga verse ako gipanghatag nimo mao nay saktong answer
    Last edited by slabdans; 02-23-2014 at 09:09 PM.

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