For Christians(Apostle Paul Believers): Paul, the False Apostle, Ravenous Wolf Prophecy - Ngano nagpauto man mo niya??

[slabdans]

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basin padaghan ra sa post...

mao lagi...mura ni siya katong nagperma sa kontrata nga way basa2x ang ending mahay kay wala man siya kibaw unsa iya gipermahan

[raissah]

basin nka reliaze na to cya nga si paul iyang silingan diay gipasabot atong tawong nag brainwash niya. ahehehe

[marcial19xx]

from first page until last page na hurot jud nako ug basa. naa sad ko na kat-unan dah... dli baya ko tig basa ug bible. nice debate although ang isa kay dli kaau ka tubag. indirect kaau ug tubag wala ma tumong. naa man sad d ai banggiitan dri about christian. it takes few hours to read line by line.

[pakinimo]

mag hindu tana

[Aittv]

Matthew 24 26-27
"So if they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness(means "outside the city" not forest),' do not go out, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them. "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.…"

Asa ni sila atong nahitabo ni?

unsay connection TS? kapila man tika ingna nga kanang mga panghitabo buhi pa si Jesus ana nga time ug nagpadayon pa sa iyang pagka matutudlo ug si Pablo anang panahuna wla pay kalibutan mahitungod sa maayong buhat in short hanggaw pa..wala pa siya duola ug pakit-a sa gahum ni Jesus

Kabalo ko buhi pa si Jesus, so atong buhi pa sya, giwarningan/gisultian na niya daan ang disciples/apostles(prophecy) na ayaw ug believe kung naay magsulti sa ilaha na..naa daw siya dire nakita nako/namo sya!(tapos sabton pud unta nimo na prophet pud si Jesus). So Jesus was telling the disciples about it - to warn them in the future(after his death) - dili sa present time. Sabta pud na sa matthew 24 - Jesus was telling them(disciples) about the things that will happen in the future.

So after sa death ni Jesus - niabot na ning istorya sa conversion ni Saul/Paul - mao ning istorya sa acts. So unsa man gisulting Saul? nakakita sya ug angel of light diba? Tapos nagpaila daw ang angel of light na si Jesus. So in other words, nagsulti sya na nakita niya si Jesus direng lugara as an angel of light. So asa mani nahitabo na lugara? Dili ba outside the city of Damascus? Similar ba or coincidence lang sa warning ni Jesus or dili? Mao ni akong point.

So at this point maksulti ka - Ireject unta nila si Paul. Pero diba atong buhi pa si Jesus nag serve sya as an example for his disciples/apostles and at the same time naa sya gipangtudlo sa ilaha. Unsa man diay ang commandment niya - dili ba love your enemies? Kung wala gireject ni Jesus si Judas sa iyahang ministry, na kabalo man siya ahead of time si Judas ang traydor - Unsa tanaw nimo buhaton sa discples/apostles on Saul/Paul - gayahon ang gibuhat ni Jesus or dili?

naa napud ka ana imo wiki...unsa may labot sa wiki? matud sa biblia "ayaw pun-e ni dugange" magsigi paba kog balik2x ani

Unsa tanaw nimo sa wiki dili na sya factual? Mura kaya nag encyclopedia/dictionary/almanac/etc. na gihalo.

Tnawon nato ang miracle ni Prophet Muhamad.
"I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me…When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name, and said, pointing to the other, 'This is my Beloved Son. Hear Him!'"
Similar or Coincidence?

wui tua ra...asa man ni makita sa bible TS? wla gyud koy makita ani unsa may atong topic ani ron? Christianity or Kuran? pag tsur ba kay mag beko ta

basin maabot ta ani ron sa Judas Gospel hap

Sorry nagkamali ko sa first post.

Pauls miracle experience:
Acts 9: 3-4
As he was approaching Damascus on this mission, a light from heaven suddenly shone down around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul! Saul! Why are you persecuting me?”

Muhammad miracle experience(Islam):
Two of the companions of the Prophet departed from him on a dark night and were led by two lights like lamps (going in front of them from Allah as a miracle) lighting the way in front of them, and when they parted, each of them was accompanied by one of these lights till he reached their (respective) houses.

Joseph Smith miracle experience(Mormonism):
"I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me…When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name, and said, pointing to the other, 'This is my Beloved Son. Hear Him!'"

Ipakita lang nako ni para mahibalan ninyo na dili lang si Paul ang kabalo mag buhatx2 ug milagro sa religion(or milagro dyod ni na gikan kay Lucifer). And, the similarities of the miracles(parehas tanan naay light). Now who is this light bringing entity?

The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate, which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,^{[Isa 14:12][4][5]} meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".
Lucifer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wala ka nag sulti nga nakakita kag angel..pero ni proclaim nga nga gi Reveal ni sa Imo Lol

Read proverbs 2: 6-8. And, about sa reveal na word - pakitanaw nalang sa dictionary.

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Hahah. Layoa sa imong tubag TS oi. It only goes to show that you are the one deceiving yourself. Dalia ra gud ma shake sa imong faith sa Ginoo. So karon kung naa pod kay mabasahan or makit an or masayran nga sila John og Peter kay false prophets pud unya with convincing proof pa jud, I'm sure motoo jud ka ba. Maghimo na pod kag thread nga ing ani?? wahahaha

Para sa imo TS oh:


Proverbs 3:5 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine OWN understanding.


2 Corinthians 5:7 - For we walk by faith, not by SIGHT.


1 Corinthians 2:5 - That your faith should not stand in the WISDOM of MEN, but in the power of God.

Naa pa TS oh, para jud sa imo,

Matthew 14:31 - Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?"

Does it mean if I reject Paul I reject God and Jesus and the true disciple? - layo kaau kag conclusion. My point is Saul/Paul is not from God but is from Satan and is a false apostle. I also did not say this is from my own but with the help of God. I only said God revealed it to me -> through wisdom. For wisdom comes from God.

Proverbs 2: 6-8

⁶ All wisdom comes from the Lord,
and so do common sense
and understanding.
⁷ God gives helpful advice
to everyone who obeys him
and protects all of those
who live as they should.
⁸ God sees that justice is done,
and he watches over everyone
who is faithful to him.

[slabdans]

dili nalang nako na e qoute kay mo taas ug samot ani nalang

questions

1. gi unsa nimo pag sure nga si Pablo ang pasabot sa warning? basin ikaw ang gipasabot ni Jesus nga false Prophet

2. kung si Pablo pa ang Pasabot sa Propesiya, ngano gi Recognize man siya ni Pedro ug sa uban pang mga tinun-an kung false prophet pa si Pablo

3 kinsay giingon nimo nga angel nakita ni Pablo? tan-awa ha

Act 9:5
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?" Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.[a] It is hard for you to kick against the

si Jesus man lagi iyang nakita?

4. wiki Pedia? ako napud balikon matud sa Bible ako napud e post ha

Deuteronomy 4:2
2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

karon kung maghisgot kag kaluwasan sa kalag..ngano mo adto man ko sa wiki nga ang Ginoo naman mismo nag sulti nga ayaw pun-i or dungangi...ka klaro anang wiki nga daghan kau ug ad-on

5. ngano naabot man ka sa islam? nga ato topic diri kristyanismo man? muslim ka doh? wala raba gyud mi manghilabot sa Islam, kung islam kaman gani. e respito ang among pagtuo sama sa pag Respito namo imong pagtuo

7. usa mi nemo ma convince nga sakto ug sayop si Paul pamutd-e usa...ang mga testimonya ni Paul maoy among gituohan, ikaw unsay imong testimonya para maka tuo mi nimo? ayaw mig suwayi ug deceive DEMONYO kang dako! imong gi usab ang Biblia

[silentnuker]

well, it t00k less than an hour f0r me t0 read the wh0le thread...

naa gyud diay ga-claim dire sa ist0rya that they have received
direct revelati0n fr0m God (sounds like,...hmmmm, nevermind).

Then mo-gamit pa ug mga verses suited f0r their needs.

Reversal meth0d...interesting kaay0 ni da...mura man ni-practice
ug argument in court ug ni-study pagka ab0gad0...hahaha.

I think dili ni cya kapasar sa Bar Exam...sorry t0 say that.

Naa pud tingale groups wh0 train their members int0 such
things ar0n mkig-debate sa uban, argue all 0thers are wrong, and
they are the "only 0nes" fr0m God.

Blinded from Truth, arr0gance, dangerous self-pr0clamati0n.

Which makes me w0nder, What is indeed the cause being pr0moted
by the TS here...tsktsktsk...

Makes you bow your head...and ask for help from Above.

[Aittv]

dili nalang nako na e qoute kay mo taas ug samot ani nalang

questions

1. gi unsa nimo pag sure nga si Pablo ang pasabot sa warning? basin ikaw ang gipasabot ni Jesus nga false Prophet

2. kung si Pablo pa ang Pasabot sa Propesiya, ngano gi Recognize man siya ni Pedro ug sa uban pang mga tinun-an kung false prophet pa si Pablo

3 kinsay giingon nimo nga angel nakita ni Pablo? tan-awa ha

Act 9:5
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?" Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.[a] It is hard for you to kick against the

si Jesus man lagi iyang nakita?

4. wiki Pedia? ako napud balikon matud sa Bible ako napud e post ha

Deuteronomy 4:2
2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

karon kung maghisgot kag kaluwasan sa kalag..ngano mo adto man ko sa wiki nga ang Ginoo naman mismo nag sulti nga ayaw pun-i or dungangi...ka klaro anang wiki nga daghan kau ug ad-on

5. ngano naabot man ka sa islam? nga ato topic diri kristyanismo man? muslim ka doh? wala raba gyud mi manghilabot sa Islam, kung islam kaman gani. e respito ang among pagtuo sama sa pag Respito namo imong pagtuo

7. usa mi nemo ma convince nga sakto ug sayop si Paul pamutd-e usa...ang mga testimonya ni Paul maoy among gituohan, ikaw unsay imong testimonya para maka tuo mi nimo? ayaw mig suwayi ug deceive DEMONYO kang dako! imong gi usab ang Biblia

1. Because he will perform signs and miracles. -also Paul made sin against the Holy Spirit(unforgivable) read about his past.

Matthew 23: 13 - Remember Paul the pharisee.
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

Mark 3:28-29 - Remember Paul killed/persecuted the Saints who were manifested by the Holy Spirit.
“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.”


2. I explain nako - pero lisod ni sabton.

For a much easier version let's read NIV:
Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Why does Peter need to specify that he writes in the same way in all of his letters and indicate that some things are hard to understand?

Isaiah 45:7, KJV
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Coin method:
God created Satan;
Satan turns Evil;
Is God responsible for Evil?
Yes and No at the same time. -the coin

Yes - because God created Satan therefore he is responsible.
No - because God gave Satan freewill and it is Satan's responsibility.

So wisdom from God Peter is saying could be,
#1 Wisdom from God could be Wisdom from God(good);
#2 Wisdom from God could be Wisdom from Satan(evil); because he created Satan.

So wisdom from God Peter is saying here can either come from God or from Satan. -as I stated see the real Wisdom from God(James 3: 15-18 . - it does not cause confusion that results to destruction(way to HELL)

The Word of God uses a lot of word coining method/hiding the real meaning. This is used for many reasons. (Ex. For sealing prophecies and hiding the meaning to some people).

James 3: 15-18
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

3. Angel means a messenger. The light he saw does have a message. Then we can call that an Angel of Light. Remember - Satan is a deciever(gifted). He deceived a lot of people including Adam and Eve. Basaha ang matthew 24 - fit dyod kaau sa iyaha(Paul).

4. Bonus.

5. Gitanaw nako kung naay similarities sa miracles of Paul. Accidentally naa dyod XD. Unya naremember lang nako kalit si Lucifer.(Light Bringer - parehas padyod light ang mga miracles)

6. Bonus.

7. Naa ko dire para manghatag ug message(and clarification). The Bible says the Lawless One will be revealed in the last days(I believe this is Paul)- I believe we are really in the last days(gatanaw ko news sa Israel(murag hapit na mahitabo ang Gog vs Magog)- tapos ang mga prophecy halos fulfilled na tanan(Israel rebirth as a nation) - Second Coming nalang kulang). Ako mismo di ko katuo na nitoo ko aning tawhana sauna. Sorry kung naoffend tamo. Just spreading the truth.

[Aittv]

well, it t00k less than an hour f0r me t0 read the wh0le thread...

naa gyud diay ga-claim dire sa ist0rya that they have received
direct revelati0n fr0m God (sounds like,...hmmmm, nevermind).

Then mo-gamit pa ug mga verses suited f0r their needs.

Reversal meth0d...interesting kaay0 ni da...mura man ni-practice
ug argument in court ug ni-study pagka ab0gad0...hahaha.

I think dili ni cya kapasar sa Bar Exam...sorry t0 say that.

Naa pud tingale groups wh0 train their members int0 such
things ar0n mkig-debate sa uban, argue all 0thers are wrong, and
they are the "only 0nes" fr0m God.

Blinded from Truth, arr0gance, dangerous self-pr0clamati0n.

Which makes me w0nder, What is indeed the cause being pr0moted
by the TS here...tsktsktsk...

Makes you bow your head...and ask for help from Above.

Di dyod ko kapasa ug bar kay it is not for me, I have no passion for it, and makes me sick hearing them. Many modern day lawyers are similar/comparable to Scribes and Pharisees. Most of them exploit loopholes of the law and make lies to cover up for it or get what they want - makes me sick, such hypocrisy.

[slabdans]

1. Because he will perform signs and miracles. -also Paul made sin against the Holy Spirit(unforgivable) read about his past.

Matthew 23: 13 - Remember Paul the pharisee.
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

Mark 3:28-29 - Remember Paul killed/persecuted the Saints who were manifested by the Holy Spirit.
“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.”


2. I explain nako - pero lisod ni sabton.

For a much easier version let's read NIV:
Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Why does Peter need to specify that he writes in the same way in all of his letters and indicate that some things are hard to understand?

Isaiah 45:7, KJV
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Coin method:
God created Satan;
Satan turns Evil;
Is God responsible for Evil?
Yes and No at the same time. -the coin

Yes - because God created Satan therefore he is responsible.
No - because God gave Satan freewill and it is Satan's responsibility.

So wisdom from God Peter is saying could be,
#1 Wisdom from God could be Wisdom from God(good);
#2 Wisdom from God could be Wisdom from Satan(evil); because he created Satan.

So wisdom from God Peter is saying here can either come from God or from Satan. -as I stated see the real Wisdom from God(James 3: 15-18 . - it does not cause confusion that results to destruction(way to HELL)

The Word of God uses a lot of word coining method/hiding the real meaning. This is used for many reasons. (Ex. For sealing prophecies and hiding the meaning to some people).

James 3: 15-18
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

3. Angel means a messenger. The light he saw does have a message. Then we can call that an Angel of Light. Remember - Satan is a deciever(gifted). He deceived a lot of people including Adam and Eve. Basaha ang matthew 24 - fit dyod kaau sa iyaha(Paul).

4. Bonus.

5. Gitanaw nako kung naay similarities sa miracles of Paul. Accidentally naa dyod XD. Unya naremember lang nako kalit si Lucifer.(Light Bringer - parehas padyod light ang mga miracles)

6. Bonus.

7. Naa ko dire para manghatag ug message(and clarification). The Bible says the Lawless One will be revealed in the last days(I believe this is Paul)- I believe we are really in the last days(gatanaw ko news sa Israel(murag hapit na mahitabo ang Gog vs Magog)- tapos ang mga prophecy halos fulfilled na tanan(Israel rebirth as a nation) - Second Coming nalang kulang). Ako mismo di ko katuo na nitoo ko aning tawhana sauna. Sorry kung naoffend tamo. Just spreading the truth.

1. asa nga verse mabasa nga si Paul nag perform ug miracles? (interesting ni dah) read his past? mao man gani iyang gi testify (ngano dili man ka kasabot ani) kung unsa siya kadautan kaniadto, ug unsa na siya sa dihang gipakita na siya katarong sa Dios

kani imong mga verse pwerte gyud pagka layoa..wala gyud makita nga nag pointed out nga si Paul ang gipasabot diha..kibaw kag unsay mga buhat sa Pareseo? sila tong mga tigpa karon ingnon.

2. 2 peter 3:15-16

15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

mao ka diha pataka lang kag yawit unya kana imong gipang bold tan-awa daw ang verse 15 ug wla ba mag supamki? kompletoha na imong bold naa pa tawon ang God give him

3. cge ka ana imong angel2x gihungit na gani nako ang verse Jesus gibutang diha dili angel, ayaw intawn usba ang nakasuwat sa biblia kay dako kaayo ng sala

Acts 9:5
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?" Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.[a] It is hard for you to kick against the


matud diri Lord diliangel ang nakasuwat, ug kinsa gani tong Lord nga nagpakita ni Paul ug Anias? I am Jesus puros Jesus ang gipamutang diri...wlay angel

Acts 9:13-19
13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem.

¹⁴ And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”

¹⁵ But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

¹⁶ I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”

¹⁷ Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

¹⁸ Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,

<sup>-tan-awa oh...gibawtismohan siya unya mo ingon ka nga wala siyay authority?

19</sup> and after taking some food, he regained his strength.



6. Bunos sa mata nimo...sige kag pagarpar diha..sala baya ng pag-usab sa kasulatan sa biblia pagka lagyo naman lang jud sa imong punto...sunod butangi ug verse para dili ko magkabuang ug ukay diri...palipat gyud ng imo dah!

7. unsa na? gipakita napud ka imong Ginoo? di a koy daghan solvent diri oh..kita gita gyud ka ani Ginoo