Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[shockie]

When a man would recount to GOD,
I'm a rapist, a murderer, and committed very grave crimes, but I have faith in you.
What do you think how GOD would respond.

The used verse in this forum...

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[MasterK]

...Pero if maghisgot tag FAITH isip KINATIBUK-ANG experience sa Dios pinaagi sa Huna-huna inubanan sa maayung Buhat, aws Faith ug good works Dili separate.

Ing-ani diay:

Faith = (Faith ug Good Works)

Faith Alone = (Faith ug Good Works) ... di ta ma syntax error ani?

[Bears Grill]

200+ pages of bullsh!tting and growing. Our penchant for speculating on the un-knowable, like who gets to dwell in these after-life theme parks called Heaven and Hell, is just that...SPECULATING. Your guess is as good as those of the Hindus or the African Juju or the Chinese ancestral worship. In other words, I don't know and you don't either.

[SioDenz]

sa ato pa kung walay pagtuo? dili na matawag ug maayong tao sio?

we read in matthew 22:36-39

"“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.

what if ang second commandment ra ang natuman sa usa ka tao? 'cause that person simply lack the Faith in Christ or God out of pure conscience, dili gihapun na siya ma consider nga maayong tao?

in the verse above, we can read that the 2nd commandment is just as important as the First one..

Naay gisulti si Jesus nga iyang gi consider ang isa ka tawo nga MAAYU bisag way Pagtuo sa DIOS?

"And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. " - Hebrews 11:6

unsaon man nimu pag reconcile run?


Maybe if mu ingun tah MAAYUNG tawo in HUMAN perspective, pwedi pero if Biblical - wa pako kita ug verse nga gi consider nga maayung tawo ang isa ka tawo nga way Pagtuo sa DIOS...

[SioDenz]

Ing-ani diay:

Faith = (Faith ug Good Works)

Faith Alone = (Faith ug Good Works) ... di ta ma syntax error ani?

More like:

"TRUE FAITH --> Good Works"

Faith alone is enough Because TRUE FAITH consist/together/result in Good Works...


Question,

When you say Good Works, can you specify what is the classification of Good Works?
If naa ra sa imung Huna-huna, can it be consider GOOD WORKS?
Kanang Butang mugawas sa imung Bah-bah, can it be consider GOOD WORKS?

mas maayu matubag na para mklaru natu nganu dapat i separate na sila...

[SioDenz]

200+ pages of bullsh!tting and growing. Our penchant for speculating on the un-knowable, like who gets to dwell in these after-life theme parks called Heaven and Hell, is just that...SPECULATING. Your guess is as good as those of the Hindus or the African Juju or the Chinese ancestral worship. In other words, I don't know and you don't either.

Its Not bulshittong if it can Improve who we are...

[slabdans]

More like:

"TRUE FAITH --> Good Works"

Faith alone is enough Because TRUE FAITH consist/together/result in Good Works...


Question,

When you say Good Works, can you specify what is the classification of Good Works?
If naa ra sa imung Huna-huna, can it be consider GOOD WORKS?
Kanang Butang mugawas sa imung Bah-bah, can it be consider GOOD WORKS?

mas maayu matubag na para mklaru natu nganu dapat i separate na sila...

unya Sio karon mga Atheist mga wala man gani bisan Gamay nga Faith unya naay Good Work? save nato sila

[shockie]

@ noy
sige ok na ta anang Faith justified by works..
karun how about kadtong mga maayong tao pero way Faith?
prehas sa akong ate, kung naa pay pagtuo sa Ginoo, pwede na siguro to mahimong santos..LOL
ug mas Kristohanon pa sa kasagarang mga Kristohanon kuno kung ang mga buhat ug kasing2x pay pasultihon..hahaha

para nako, mysterio ni nga ang Ginoo ray nahibaw..kamu?

For the sake of sharing bro, mao sad ni akong view...

Libog jud baya sya kung dili nato masabtan pag ayo ang finished work of Christ. Also, if a professing Christian is continually living in sin despite the claim of being a child of God. Even me at first mao sad na akong questions about ani nga doctrine, but as I mature in my Faith in Jesus Christ mas naklaro nako kung unsa jud diay pasabot ani nga verse:

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

It’s true wala tay ikapuno to what he did on the cross…even ang pinakamaayo pa nga binuhatan sa taw, coz the bible clearly says that our good works is as filthy rags in the sight of God.

Isaiah 64:6-9
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.

The classic example of this doctrine is the thief on the cross. The thing that saves him is his faith in Jesus Christ as the Saviour. Christ didn’t let him go down and do a single deed (good work) for him to show what kind of faith ang naa niya…God knows only his intention and his heart! And that’s it.

This doctrine fits to a situation when a person who before he died (like magpinal) has confessed and put his trust upon Jesus Christ to be his personal Saviour but don’t have time to manifest good work will still be saved.

What if a person naa kunoy faith in Jesus yet sa kadugay nga panahon dili Makita ang kausaban sa iyang kinabuhi til mamatay sya? And to those nay good works but without faith in Jesus?

Kani maoy gitawag nga ginoo ray mahibaw … pero kung ang bible pasultihon, klaro kayo nga imperno ang iyang padulngan. Walay usa nato nga makaattain ug salvation kung faith + binuhatan ang basihan. Ato lang i-consider ang mga angels, when they rebelled against God...and when Adam and Eve disobeyed, only a SINGLE sin nakapabulag nila from the presence of God. How about us?

1 John 5:12-21
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

If we reject this verse, my question is…unsa kadako/kadaghana nga good works kung faith + works ang requirement para ta malangit?

How about those who have put their trust and faith in Jesus Christ nga buhi pa?

There is also another doctrine which is very true in my own experience, the doctrine of Regeneration. The moment we have this genuine faith in Jesus, God will likewise respond as what he promised through the Holy Spirit. Each of us will be sealed until the day of redemption.

Ephesians 1
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.

When a person who already received Christ in his life and has been sealed by the Holy Spirit and continually abiding in God, there is no chance for him to be lost in Hell. The Holy Spirit will work in His life and eventually bear fruit. His life will dramatically change which results to good works. Walay taw nga nagdawat sa ginoo overnight nausab iyang kinabuhi. There is a transformation process that will take place.

Here, good works is not a requirement for salvation but a manifestation of the working of the Holy Spirit in individual’s life. Is it like mirroring ourselves in the examples of Christ and reflecting good works and righteousness to the world.

Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Why the need for us to preserve our testimony as a child of God? One reason is that himuon tang kataw-anan if we’re living contrary to our belief.

Matthew 5:13
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

But since we are in the flesh, we are still bound to sin. The only difference is we will have no pleasure anymore in dwelling to sin again coz we have been bought already by the blood of Christ. The good thing is God will mold us into a person fit for His Kingdom. The Holy Spirit will bear witness with our spirit and thus, we’ve become born again.

Romans 8:14-16
"For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God... The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God." (Romans 8:14,16).

This link is a good source to better understand this doctrine.
We are saved by faith alone, not by faith and works | Salvation and works | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

God bless us who sincerely seek His salvation!

[slabdans]

tinag-saa lang gud ninyo pag post ang mga passage para dili mo taas..sum-ol na no0n kaayo dili naman na discussion..blog naman na

[SioDenz]

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unya Sio karon mga Atheist mga wala man gani bisan Gamay nga Faith unya naay Good Work? save nato sila

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