Learning New Languages

[thadzonline]

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thanks amico...that was real informative...
while I definitely agree that Ilokano and Cebuano are languages in itself, some of the examples cited could be variants of one language. Take for example the case between Waray-waray, Bikolano, Cebuano, Hiligaynon and Tagalog..the similarities among these tongues are aplenty, and if not for Spanish influence could actually be very, very similar to each other. In an article by Jed Pesnar, he hypothesized that these tongues(or languages) may be remnants of the great Malayo-Polynesian nation, Sri Vishaya.

ref: http://www.vizvoyz.freeservers.com/custom.html

[amico]

hi thadzonline,

well, i speak leyte-waray, cebuano and a little ilonggo and i can understand samarnon-waray and karay-a too with some background on bikolano.

there may be many similarities but the differences are also plenty. i know because i speak the language.

french, italian, portugese and spanish are also very similar but they are not dialects but languages.

what is interesting about our philippine languages is that though they have many similarities, they are still separate languages because more than one third of the vocabulary of these languages can be considered their own. it may have developed from one single language just like those we call "the romance language" that had its root in latin but in time it had evolved into a language with its own unique vocabualry even if we say it had some spelling differences but that's exactly why it's considered a separate language because it had already evolve to become different that if a leyte-waray were to listen to a bikolano. he wouldn't understand more than half of what the bikolano was saying. or if a cebuano were to listen to an ilonggo, he wouldn't understand more than half of what the ilonggo was saying. same with the ilonggo and the waray. this is from my experience because i had friends that speaks different languages because they come from different places.

by the way, i read the link you posted and i don't agree with much of what the site posted. it is because i know the bisayan languages. of the bisayan languages, cebuano is the most different. and if you know samarnon-waray and chamorro-polynesian languages, you'll discover that the two languages had much similarities than say cebuano or tagalog. i believe Jed Pensar do not know that the waray language is divided into dialects. the leyte-waray is the one that is much closer to cebuano. samarnon-waray is already very different. and i believe he don't speak all three languages and is not familiar with the dialects of each language group.

i will give my examples later, just so you can compare.

[thadzonline]

well, yes..you have a point about language evolution, I speak Hiligaynon myself and realized that it could be understood by the Cebuano who speaks the purest form of his language but things have changed and the urban Cebuano now has more words coming from Spanish, English and what have you, evolving along the process.

Im also familiar about how differently Waray is spoken in Tacloban, in Borongan and in Balangiga with intonation as the most distinct differences. I have a friend from Balangiga and from Borongan and when they talk, you can notice the difference. They even refer to the Tacloban tongue as closer to Tagalog...

I really appreciate this kind of a healthy discussion

[amico]

ok thadz here's the sample of the bisayan languages.

why are they called "languages" distinct from each other even if they have many similarities?

it has something to do with the combinations. you may try to ask the chefs why some of their food are considered very different even if some of the ingredients are also present in the other foods in their menu.

example: Maayong Aga (hiigaynon/ilonggo), Maayong Buntag (cebuano), Maupay nga Aga (Waray), Magandang Umaga (Tagalog)

Notice how ilonggo combined the "Maayo" which is also in cebuano and the "Aga" which is in Waray. so by that mixture it created a new distinct language. or else you would have a problem in deciding if it is a dialect of cebuano or a dialect of waray. plus the fact that more than a third of its vocabulary is something unique to them. and if you look at tagalog it's way too far from the bisayan languages. remember the word "langgam", "gubat", "lagay" and so on... and you'll discover that the bisayan languages are not dialects of tagalog or any languages found in luzon except in some parts of mindoro because it is an island near panay.

ok here's the other examples...

ANT: SUBAY (Hiligaynon)... TAGASAW/GUYOM (Akeanon) ... LASGA (central/southern Iloilo)... MIGAS/hulmigas (cebuano)... TUBAK (waray)
BEAUTIFUL: MATAHUM (Hiligaynon)... GWAPA (Hiligaynon, Karay-a, Cebuano)... MAANYAG (Karay-a)... MAHUSAY (Waray)
BIG: DAKU (Hiligaynon, Cebuano, Waray)... HANGGUD/DARAGKU (Karay-a)... MABAHOE (Akeanon) ... BAKOD (Aleosan)
BROKEN: NABUKA (Hiligaynon, Karay-a, samarnon)... NABU-ONG (Karay-a, Leytenhon) NAPUSA(Akeanon)... NABUAK (Cebuano), NABASAG (samarnon)
CARABAO/WATER BUFFALO: KARBAW (Hiligaynon, Karay-a)... ANWANG (Akeanon)... KABAW (Cebuano)... KARABAW (Waray)
CAT: KUDING/KURING (Hiligaynon, Karay-a)... MIYAW (Karay-a Central Iloilo, Calinog)... KUTI (Karay-a Aleosan, Southern iloilo)... KORING (Akeanon)... UTI (Capiz)... IRING (Cebuano)... MISAY (Leyte-Waray)... UDING (eastern samarnon waray)... MIYA (Surigaonon)
CHAIR: PULONGKUAN (Hiligaynon) ... PURUNGKU-AN / SI-YA (Karay-a Aleosan)... LINGKURANAN (cebuano, waray)
COMPANION: UPOD (Hiligaynon, Waray)... IMAW (Karay-a)... KAIBAHAN(pronounce as KAYBAHAN)(Akeanon)... KUYOG (cebuano)
CRY: HIBI (Hiligaynon)... TANGIS / PANGAK / IYAGAK (capiznon)... HILAK (Cebuano)... TUOK (Leytenhon)... TANGIS (Samarnon)
DOG: IDO (Hiligaynon)… AYAM (Karay-a Central Iloilo, Akeanon, Waray)… IRO (Karay-a Southern Iloilo, Cebuano)
DOVE: PATING (Hiligaynon/Karay-a)... SALAMPATI (Akeanon)... PATI (Cebuano)... SALAPATI / SARAPATI (Waray)
DRESS/SHIRT: BAYO (Hiligaynon, Karay-a)... EAMBONG (Akeanon)... SININA (Cebuano)... BADO (Waray)
EAR: DALUNGGAN (Hiligaynon, Cebuano) .... TALINGA/DURUNGGAN (Karay-a)... TALINGA (Waray)
ELDERLY: TIGULANG (Hiligaynon)... MAL-AM (Karay-a)... MAGUEANG(Akeanon)... TIGUWANG (cebuano)... LAGAS (Waray)
FACE: GUYA/NAWUNG (Hiligaynon, Leytenhon)... GAWI (Karay-a Central Iloilo)... PUNGYAHON (Karay-a)... UYAHON (Akeanon)... NAWNG (Cebuano)... KAHIMO (Samarnon)
FALLEN/DROPPED: NAHULOG (Hiligaynon, Karay-a, Waray)... NALAGBONG (Capiznon)... NAHUEOG (Akeanon)... NAHAGBUNG (cebuano)
FOOT: TI-IL (Hiligaynon, Cebuano, Leytenhon)… SIKI (Karay-a Central Iloilo, Akeanon, Samarnon)… KAHIG (Karay-a S Iloilo)
GET: KUHA (Hiligaynon, Cebuano, Waray)...BUOL (Aleosan)
HAND: KAMOT (Hiligaynon, Cebuano, Waray)… ALIMA (Karay-a Central Iloilo, Akeanon)... LIMA (Karay-a Aleosan)
HARD: MATIG-A (Hiligaynon, Akeanon, Waray) .... MAAWOT (Karay-a)... GAHI (cebuano)
HERE: DIRI (Hiligaynon, Cebuano) .... DIYA (Karay-a Central Iloilo)... RIGYA (Karay-a Southern Iloilo) …. IYA (Akeanon)... DIDI (Waray)
HILARIOUS: KALADLAWAN(Hiligaynon)... KABUEOBUEO(Akeanon) ... KARADLAWAN (Kinaray-a)... KATAW-ANAN (Cebuano)... PATARAW-AN (Waray)
INSANE: KAUMANGON (Akeanon) ... KABU-ANGAN (Hiligaynon)... BUANG (Cebuano)... BUNGAW (Waray)
KNOW(S)/KNOWHOW: KABALO/NABAL-AN(Hiligaynon) .... KAMAAN/NAMAN-AN(Karay-a) …. KAANTIGO (Akeanon)... KABALO/KAANTIGO(Cebuano)... MAARAM (Waray)
LATER: KARON (Hiligaynon, Karay-a)... HINDUNA (Akeanon) ... KAR-ON (Alesoan)... UNYA (Cebuano)... NIYAN (Leytenhon-waray)... UNINA (E. Samarnon Waray)
LONG: MALABA (Hiligaynon)... MALABOG (Karay-a)... MAHABA(Akeanon)... TAAS (Cebuano)... HALABA (Waray)
LOOK: TAN-AW (Hiligaynon, Akeanon, Cebuano)... LANTAW (Karay-a)... KITA (Leytenhon)... KULAW (E. Samarnon-waray)
LUNCH: PANYAGA (Hiligaynon)... IGMA (Karay-a)... ILABAS (Akeanon)... PANINGUDTO (Cebuano, Waray)
LAND: DUTA (Hiligaynon)... EUGTA (Akeanon)... LUPA (Kinaray-a)... YUTA (Cebuano)... TUNA (Waray)
MUD: LUTAK (Hiligaynon)... EAPOK (Akeanon)... LAPOK (Cebuano)... LAGAY (Waray)
MANY: DAMO (Hiligaynon, Waray)... DURO (Karay-a Central Iloilo)... RAKU (Karay-a Aleosan) ... ABO (Akeanon)... DAGHAN (Cebuano)
NICE: MANAMI (Hiligaynon, Karay-a, Akeanon)... MAYAD (Karay-a)... MAAYO/NINDOT (Cebuano)... MAUPAY (Waray)
NONE: WALA (Hiligaynon)... WA-AY (Karay-a Central Iloilo)... WARA (Karay-a Aleosan/Southern Iloilo) ... OWA (Akeanon)... WA/WALA (Cebuano)... WARAY (Waray)
NOSE: ILONG (Hiligaynon, Akeanon, Cebuano) .... IRONG (Karay-a, Waray)
NOW: SUBONG (Hiligaynon)... DUKAR-ON (Karay-a)... MAKARON (Akeanon) ... TALAD (Alesosan)... YANDA (Capiznon)... KARON (Cebuano)... YANA (Waray)
PANTS: PANTALON/DE LARGO (Hiligaynon)... SAEWAE (Akeanon)... KARSONIS (Capiz, Cebuano)... SARUWAL (Waray)
PINCH: KUSI (Hiligaynon, Akeanon, Cebuano) ... KUDOT / PUSGA (Karay-a)... KUTOL (Waray)
PLAY: HAMPANG (Hiligaynon, Karay-a), Sipal- (Antique Karay-a and some parts of Southern ILOILO like Miag-ao), DUWA / DULA (Cebuano)... MULAY (Leytenhon)... UYAG (Samarnon)
RAT: ILAGA (Hiligaynon, Cebuano)... BALABAW (Karay-a)... EANGGAM (Akeanon)... YATOT (Waray)
SHORT: MALIP-OT (Hiligaynon)... MAMUGOT (Karay-a)... MATAG-OD (Akeanon) ... BUGOT (Karay-a Aleosan)... MATAG-OD (Capiz)... MUBU (Cebuano)... HALIPOT/HAMUBU (Waray)
SIBLING: UTOD (Hiligaynon)... BUGTO (Karay-a, Waray)... IGMANGHOD (Akeanon)... IGSOON (Cebuano)
SIBLING, OLDER: MAGULANG (Hiligaynon) .... MAGURANG (Karay-a, Waray) …. MAGUEANG(Akeanon)... MAGUWANG (Cebuano)
SIBLING, YOUNGER: MANGHOD (Hiligaynon, Akeanon, Cebuano, Waray) .... LIBAYON (Karay-a Aleosan, S. Iloilo)
SMALL: DYUTAY (Hiligaynon, Cebuano)... GAMAY/KAYOT (Karay-a)... MAISOT (Akeanon)... GUTIAY (Waray)
SOFT: MALUM-OK(Hiligaynon) .... MAHUMOK(Karay-a, Akeanon)
THERE IS/ARE: MAY ARA (Hiligaynon)... MAY DAYAN (Karay-a)... MAY UNA (Akeanon) ... MAY IDYA (Karay-a Aleosan)... NAA (Cebuano)... MAYDA (Leytenhon)... MAY-ADA (Samarnon)
THEY: SILA (Hiligaynon, Cebuano)... SANDA/TANDA (Karay-a)... SANDA (Akeanon)... HIRA (Waray)
TOMORROW: BUWAS (Hiligaynon, Waray)... SARUM-AN (Karay-a)... HIN-AGA(Akeanon)... UGMA (Cebuano)
VIAND: SUD-AN (Hiligaynon, Cebuano)... DAPLI (Karay-a)... SUEA (Akeanon)... SURA (Waray)
WALK: LAKAT (Hiligaynon, Waray)... PANAW (Karay-a, Surigaonon)... TIKANG (Akeanon)... LAKAW (Cebuano)
YES: HU-O (Hiligaynon, Karay-a)... HU-OD (Karay-a Aleosan, Southern Iloilo, Samarnon)... OO (Cebuano, Leytenhon)
TIRED: KAPOY (Hiligaynon, Cebuano, Leytenhon) .... RUYA (Kinaray-a Aleosan) ... GAUY(Akeanon)... BUTLAW (Samarnon)
CALLING OUT LOUD: SINGGIT (Hiligaynon, Cebuano) .... SIAGIT (Kinaray-a Aleosan, Cebuano)..URAHAB (Karay-a).. ueahab (Akeanon)... KURAHAB (Waray)... KURAHAW (Bikolano)

[thadzonline]

you really know your languages well.. case rested...perhaps its only their origins that could possibly be common

[Velvett]

^nice, amico and thadz! :mrgreen:

[Cardinal Bunal]

Yo no soy experto pero yo se como hablar y escribir español...

[thadzonline]

yo hablo español un poco tambien señor cardinal bunal

[libido]

waaaaa ka grabe ninyo diri oi ako na hibaw-an cebuano raman ug tagalog... anyone would care to teach mi the third language which is english, like the exact grammar ba ahehehe.. or naa mo audio files ana pwd mamarayeg?

salamat daan (naa ko plano mo work sa call centers gud... wala na ko budget gasto sa akong self mao nang mo work nasad ko ahehehehe)

[Mcmurills]

ako gusto ko makat-on kanang sinultihan sa mga bayot... lingaw kaau paminawn parehas anang shodi abas, nota okad oyaak ug uban pa...hehehehe