Brain Drain concerns BPO sector.

[LytSlpr]

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Obviously we have an employment problem or a skill mismatch because the country is not conducive or attractive to any other skill. Feasible, working employment programs by the government should be applied and regulated to cut the unemployment rate and skills mismatch

and I think it still has also something to do with IQ and/or the quality of graduates that we have in their respective fields.

i think the government's thrust and focus of giving jobs to the filipinos through the BPO sector is commendable but not to that sector alone.

BTW, there is no back log in processing H-1B visa or any other working visa for the U.S. for that matter. The problem is the visa cap and the random computer selection, not a back log.

I applied for a working visa last April 2 and will be released this October the latest. All in all the processing time is just 6 months more or less. That is pretty fast for USCIS standards.

[Dorothea]

^good for you...one of the lucky few, I'd say. My friend also applied for a visa last April, he wasn't as lucky. LOL The visa "supply" ran out, he has to wait it out another year. I meant backlog, not in the processing, but in how many people apply and how many actually get the "coveted prize". Mura ra pud fastfood, first come first serve. Kung mauwahi ka sa pila, aw sorry, better luck next time. I guess what I meant was, ma baklag nalang ka'g paninguha, hinuwat, mag siga imong mata.

Now, 9 out of 10 applicants who are told to wait it out for the next cycle, are stuck in the Philippines...along with a fresh new batch of young professionals. And there's more of them every year. Where's the brain drain in that? We are constantly producing more of them than we are "exporting" to other countries. I'd say that's a surplus, wouldn't you? But then some insist that all the good ones have already left or are leaving the country, as if to say that what's left--the new grads, the young professionals, the remainder of the workforce--are just a bunch of idiots. Mura diay ug salin sa bahaw? LOL

There is something wrong with a gov't, or a sector, or an organization, or kung unsa pa na diha, who claim there's a brain drain because they can't fill certain jobs, again because of a "skills mismatch". A skill mismatch is a polite (but sorry) excuse to avoid the harsh reality of job scarcity in the country. Can you imagine them saying, "there's no unemployment, in fact there are a lot of jobs out there waiting to be filled, it's just that there's a "skill mismatch" because the good, smart people are abroad and what we have left here are just a bunch of idiots"...

[LytSlpr]

^good for you...one of the lucky few, I'd say. My friend also applied for a visa last April, he wasn't as lucky. LOL The visa "supply" ran out, he has to wait it out another year. I meant backlog, not in the processing, but in how many people apply and how many actually get the "coveted prize". Mura ra pud fastfood, first come first serve. Kung mauwahi ka sa pila, aw sorry, better luck next time. I guess what I meant was, ma baklag nalang ka'g paninguha, hinuwat, mag siga imong mata.

actually it's not first come, first serve. they "raffled" it.

Now, 9 out of 10 applicants who are told to wait it out for the next cycle, are stuck in the Philippines...along with a fresh new batch of young professionals. And there's more of them every year. Where's the brain drain in that? We are constantly producing more of them than we are "exporting" to other countries. I'd say that's a surplus, wouldn't you? But then some insist that all the good ones have already left or are leaving the country, as if to say that what's left--the new grads, the young professionals, the remainder of the workforce--are just a bunch of idiots. Mura diay ug salin sa bahaw? LOL

you know what? i had the same perception as you before i attended the Cebu Business Month in 2006. we do have jobs and they supported it with facts and the speakers were not only from government but from all sectors all over asia. we may have a "minor" unemployment problem but the major problem is skills mismatch gyud. if you care to check the national and local Sunday papers, pwerting daghana ug trabaho pero ang courses sa atong mga graduates di mo match or kung mo match man gani, they are not at par.

There is something wrong with a gov't, or a sector, or an organization, or kung unsa pa na diha, who claim there's a brain drain because they can't fill certain jobs, again because of a "skills mismatch". A skill mismatch is a polite (but sorry) excuse to avoid the harsh reality of job scarcity in the country. Can you imagine them saying, "there's no unemployment, in fact there are a lot of jobs out there waiting to be filled, it's just that there's a "skill mismatch" because the good, smart people are abroad and what we have left here are just a bunch of idiots"...

i wouldn't say that the workforce that are left here are idiots but simply are not up for the job but that doesn't make them idiots and the Brain Drain that this particular article is talking about may not be for the entire country but for their sector alone, thus making their statement self-serving but not necessarily incorrect.

this just my opinion... the reason why i feel the brain drain that they are talking about is somewhat true is that in my everyday transactions and encounters, the people who were previously holding the present position was a relatively more personable and smarter individual.In short, ang mga maayong laki ng lulinghayaw didto sa uban lugar. But hey, that's just me. It is also a fact that the quality of graduates we are producing are becoming inferior in the past few years, a lot of our college graduates nowadays cannot even compose a decent sentence and that comes from personal experience. If I get a statistic from the hundreds of resumes and application letters that I review from time to time probably only a good 15-18% can write a correct, not even excellent sentence written by a supposedly adult degree holder. In the global ranking for education, my MBA professor said that we used to be in 45 and now we are currently at 77.

So it is safe to say that the college graduates of today are considerably "dumber" than the graduates during the 50's-70's or even 80's because back then they only had books to read and lesser distractions and unnecessary "extra-curricular" activities but I believe that the graduates of today are more well-rounded thought but not academically smarter but sad to say that when you look for a job whether here or abroad, one's TOR, IQ & drug test results carry more weight compared to mere talent and a cute personality.

[taga_ipil]

I rather stay here in the Philippines and work with my much love profession with less threat, rather that going to some countries which always have a nuclear threat from other countries...

mura bag.. ngano gud intawon mo adto ko ug nuclear samtang granada ra amoa diri...

Pero planning pa ghapon ko, still need to complete all my Microsoft and Cisco Certifications para pag abot naku US pohon...hmmm pero di ko sa U.S diri ko part nga wala kaayo threat
naa ko armas ur bala :mrgreen:

or kung naa opportunity nga i-reassign mi sa laing branches sa EUROPE or US for Servers Maintainance...

Hinay2x lang... abot ra pohon... in Gods View

[Dorothea]

actually it's not first come, first serve. they "raffled" it.

If they do "raffle" those applications, then it's even worse. You're even luckier than I thought. You getting thru on that visa application of yours is something akin to winning the "masyaw". Alas, others don't have the same lucky streak.

you know what? i had the same perception as you before i attended the Cebu Business Month in 2006. we do have jobs and they supported it with facts and the speakers were not only from government but from all sectors all over asia. we may have a "minor" unemployment problem but the major problem is skills mismatch gyud. if you care to check the national and local Sunday papers, pwerting daghana ug trabaho pero ang courses sa atong mga graduates di mo match or kung mo match man gani, they are not at par.

Or so they say.

i wouldn't say that the workforce that are left here are idiots but simply are not up for the job but that doesn't make them idiots and the Brain Drain that this particular article is talking about may not be for the entire country but for their sector alone, thus making their statement self-serving but not necessarily incorrect.

Which sector are we talking about here? In the article, BPO sector man to...then I don't believe that to be true. We could bring in hundreds more of those multinational corps, call centers, outsourcing businesses etc etc and there still wouldn't be enough jobs to go around.

this just my opinion... the reason why i feel the brain drain that they are talking about is somewhat true is that in my everyday transactions and encounters, the people who were previously holding the present position was a relatively more personable and smarter individual.In short, ang mga maayong laki ng lulinghayaw didto sa uban lugar. But hey, that's just me. It is also a fact that the quality of graduates we are producing are becoming inferior in the past few years, a lot of our college graduates nowadays cannot even compose a decent sentence and that comes from personal experience. If I get a statistic from the hundreds of resumes and application letters that I review from time to time probably only a good 15-18% can write a correct, not even excellent sentence written by a supposedly adult degree holder. In the global ranking for education, my MBA professor said that we used to be in 45 and now we are currently at 77.

Don't you think it's a bit too simplistic to assume that the younger bunch of professionals in the country are "less smart" just because they don't compose "decent" sentences? That's highly relative anyway. A lot of us discount people on the basis that they cannot write in perfect grammar. On the same vein, we often assume that certain people are "smart" just because they speak English well.

So it is safe to say that the college graduates of today are considerably "dumber" than the graduates during the 50's-70's or even 80's because back then they only had books to read and lesser distractions and unnecessary "extra-curricular" activities but I believe that the graduates of today are more well-rounded thought but not academically smarter but sad to say that when you look for a job whether here or abroad, one's TOR, IQ & drug test results carry more weight compared to mere talent and a cute personality.

It is never safe to make a sweeping generalization that "the college graduates of today are considerably dumber than the graduates during the 50's-70's or even 80's". With all the advances in learning, education, and technology that the world has achieved over the years, a lot of the standard textbooks they used 2 or 3 or 4 decades ago have been thrown out and have become obsolete. The "older, smarter generation" need to have continuing education and proficiency seminars just to keep up with the amazing influx of new knowledge. My niece's 5th grade textbook is as tough as mine was in high school (a long time ago). Grade school children know more about computers and software programs than I do. LOL I'd say that today's graduates leave school with a lot more knowledge, and are better equipped to join the workforce, than their older counterparts of the previous decades. It is such an advantage for our country having so many young people in our population. It's what keeps this nation vital and competitive in the global market.

And oh, in the Philippines, it's really not your TOR or IQ that makes you hirable. It is actually who you know and how high up the ladder he is. If you know the right people, you can basically get the job you want.

[LytSlpr]

If they do "raffle" those applications, then it's even worse. You're even luckier than I thought. You getting thru on that visa application of yours is something akin to winning the "masyaw". Alas, others don't have the same lucky streak.

Lucky enough, I guess.

Or so they say.

Well we cannot refute them, unless you or me have something.

Which sector are we talking about here? In the article, BPO sector man to...then I don't believe that to be true. We could bring in hundreds more of those multinational corps, call centers, outsourcing businesses etc etc and there still wouldn't be enough jobs to go around.

Exactly! Brain Drain only for their sector. Get it?

Don't you think it's a bit too simplistic to assume that the younger bunch of professionals in the country are "less smart" just because they don't compose "decent" sentences? That's highly relative anyway. A lot of us discount people on the basis that they cannot write in perfect grammar. On the same vein, we often assume that certain people are "smart" just because they speak English well.

As I've said, it's just me. I just made my own little survey when I had the chance to talk to a few hundred applicants, and you know what? I found that when they sucked in english ALMOST most likely they sucked at math too. So I came to my own little conclusion that it is not because they are bad at one and good on the other but the quality of education they got was inferior in general. And does sliding down to 77 in the global ranking don't count?

It is never safe to make a sweeping generalization that "the college graduates of today are considerably dumber than the graduates during the 50's-70's or even 80's". With all the advances in learning, education, and technology that the world has achieved over the years, a lot of the standard textbooks they used 2 or 3 or 4 decades ago have been thrown out and have become obsolete. The "older, smarter generation" need to have continuing education and proficiency seminars just to keep up with the amazing influx of new knowledge. My niece's 5th grade textbook is as tough as mine was in high school (a long time ago). Grade school children know more about computers and software programs than I do. LOL I'd say that today's graduates leave school with a lot more knowledge, and are better equipped to join the workforce, than their older counterparts of the previous decades. It is such an advantage for our country having so many young people in our population. It's what keeps this nation vital and competitive in the global market.

And oh, in the Philippines, it's really not your TOR or IQ that makes you hirable. It is actually who you know and how high up the ladder he is. If you know the right people, you can basically get the job you want.

We may have all the reasons and resources to have smarter kids today but we also have all sorts of distraction today and studies do prove it. So there is a difficult challenge there somewhere. In fact they say that the kids of today are even born smarter, there is no arguement in that. But the question is, is today's society and education system successful in harnessing that potential? I honestly don't think so. Here in the states, parents are blabbing that their kids are smart-er and all that but the figures do not support their claim and I strongly believe the same is true in the Philippines. GENERALLY, in my opinion, kids today JUST SEEM, LOOK and SOUND smarter.

Let's put it this way, the smarter kids of today are a lot smarter than the smart kids of yesteryears but I can definitely say that the average student of yesteryears is smarter than the average student of today.