Actually Don't Know What They're Doing

[salbahis]

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Would like to ask your inputs about these as I haven't actually been working office-based yet. However, I was able to get some web developers and evaluated them to see if they can work with us. Most of them almost list all the software products, CMS's, and the different programming languages they are into.

However, all of them fail as it didn't reflect on what they put into their respective resumes. It was very frustrating to think that they put things this way even if they don't know what they are doing on this field of work. What's your input about these?

from a developer perspective:

some developer had experienced differently, some are bad in basics but quite good in advanced (ive meet a lot of this kind when i interview them).... some developers are skilled if they worked independently and not told what to use or how it should be done... needless to say this doesn't mean they dont know what they are doing...

how to spot a person who just pretend to know? let him do something independently with limited time... let say make him developed a chat in 1 hour... or create an web scrapper in 30 minutes... a skilled developer will know to do this in no time... but a person that is just pretending well... may take time...

also you need to remember as a programmer you are not required to memorize how the syntax is (google is your friend, a part from coding spend more time in research)... however you are required to fully understand how it should work and how you can use it...

to backed their claims... one should have a "LIVE" and "WORKING" portfolio to backed the claims and description as to what is his position and contribution to that porfolio...

like me... i can modify codeigniter to what ever i want even to the extent nga dili na siya CI, but if you asked me if i know how to install i the standard way... well i still have a lot to learn... the reason for this.. i adopted it, im an old school coder where i prefer to build everything from ground up... i can build a complete cms in less than a day... but im having hardtime install CI the usual way...

skills can be faked...

if we based our interviews on standards... daghan developer mahagbong... why? mas daghan ang nag self-study nga wala nag agi ug proper and standard training than people who are trained in schools...

question is.... pasado lagi ang skills pero quality ba ang coding? daghan raba ingon maayo pero inig tan-aw sa code nag kayamukat lang.... murag gikahig sa itik...

basta ako i keep coding like the old way ill just adopt what is needed... but not focus on it... the important thing is i the quality of the code... as greyhat on my other persona... dako kaayo kog smile if i see a code nga nagkayamukat...

one of the reason why i stop doing freelance... is i dont have freedom on my coding... its not about the money its about sending the message...

im proud to say that i am now an OpenSource developer both web and linux desktop... even if its free... im happy with it.. i got a day job to keep me going...

CODING IS AN ART
ITS THE LIFE BLOOD OF SOFTWARE
ITS THE TRUE UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE THAT CAN BE SPOKEN BY HUMAN AND MACHINE

CODING IS POETRY
IT RELAXES YOU OR IT COULD DESTROY YOU

[scrupulous]

from a developer perspective:

some developer had experienced differently, some are bad in basics but quite good in advanced (ive meet a lot of this kind when i interview them).... some developers are skilled if they worked independently and not told what to use or how it should be done... needless to say this doesn't mean they dont know what they are doing...

how to spot a person who just pretend to know? let him do something independently with limited time... let say make him developed a chat in 1 hour... or create an web scrapper in 30 minutes... a skilled developer will know to do this in no time... but a person that is just pretending well... may take time...

also you need to remember as a programmer you are not required to memorize how the syntax is (google is your friend, a part from coding spend more time in research)... however you are required to fully understand how it should work and how you can use it...

to backed their claims... one should have a "LIVE" and "WORKING" portfolio to backed the claims and description as to what is his position and contribution to that porfolio...

like me... i can modify codeigniter to what ever i want even to the extent nga dili na siya CI, but if you asked me if i know how to install i the standard way... well i still have a lot to learn... the reason for this.. i adopted it, im an old school coder where i prefer to build everything from ground up... i can build a complete cms in less than a day... but im having hardtime install CI the usual way...

skills can be faked...

if we based our interviews on standards... daghan developer mahagbong... why? mas daghan ang nag self-study nga wala nag agi ug proper and standard training than people who are trained in schools...

question is.... pasado lagi ang skills pero quality ba ang coding? daghan raba ingon maayo pero inig tan-aw sa code nag kayamukat lang.... murag gikahig sa itik...

basta ako i keep coding like the old way ill just adopt what is needed... but not focus on it... the important thing is i the quality of the code... as greyhat on my other persona... dako kaayo kog smile if i see a code nga nagkayamukat...

one of the reason why i stop doing freelance... is i dont have freedom on my coding... its not about the money its about sending the message...

im proud to say that i am now an OpenSource developer both web and linux desktop... even if its free... im happy with it.. i got a day job to keep me going...

CODING IS AN ART
ITS THE LIFE BLOOD OF SOFTWARE
ITS THE TRUE UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE THAT CAN BE SPOKEN BY HUMAN AND MACHINE

CODING IS POETRY
IT RELAXES YOU OR IT COULD DESTROY YOU

Tinuod gyud when it comes to following standards daghan gyud ang mahagbong kay nagself study ra man - and also a lot got in because they have the diploma kay nakahuman sa college (with due respect sa college grads ha especially those who think they already know everything from school kay managko man gud dayon ang ulo).

I also observe proper coding on my works to which should clean ug we'll structured. More on the frontend part though makalagot gyud kung ang code nagkayamukat Lol!

[kamsky]

I think recruitment should also change. They should not post job adds with those buzzwords. You only need 'Good Software Engineer', and not CMS, MVC, JEE, Web Services, SOA, Spring programmers.

[salbahis]

i think the proper way of posting a recruitment is putting the actual requirements on what the organization need... if they are looking for a wordpress theme developer they should put a "wanted wordpress theme developer" instead of putting "web developer with experienced in wordpress theme development" normally most people will stop reading the line once they see the word that they are looking.... unless the word suggest something otherwise...

[scrupulous]

I think recruitment should also change. They should not post job adds with those buzzwords. You only need 'Good Software Engineer', and not CMS, MVC, JEE, Web Services, SOA, Spring programmers.

Things mentioned above murag di man siguro na buzz words but they are just more specific sa ilang requirements when they do their job postings. They are trying to be more specific on what they are looking for on my opinion.

[kamsky]

Things mentioned above murag di man siguro na buzz words but they are just more specific sa ilang requirements when they do their job postings. They are trying to be more specific on what they are looking for on my opinion.

That's very specific. It's like the employee is only good for 6 months project. But when you hire, you should look for 'good developers' with good knowledge and foundation of data structure and algorithm, OO concept and design (design patterns), programming Language, performance optimization, writing secure code, understand Operating System, and understand the technology that had been for a while like Socket/HTTP, SQL, HTML, DOM and etc.

[kamsky]

i think the proper way of posting a recruitment is putting the actual requirements on what the organization need... if they are looking for a wordpress theme developer they should put a "wanted wordpress theme developer" instead of putting "web developer with experienced in wordpress theme development" normally most people will stop reading the line once they see the word that they are looking.... unless the word suggest something otherwise...

I dont think you need to look for specific skill like wordpress development. You need someone artistic and can do HTML development. He will do very good wordpress for you and other web development.

If your done with your word press development, what are u going to do with wordpress theme development?

[andrex]

TS unsa qualifications inyo gipangita? Basin pwede ko ana.

[salbahis]

I dont think you need to look for specific skill like wordpress development. You need someone artistic and can do HTML development. He will do very good wordpress for you and other web development.

If your done with your word press development, what are u going to do with wordpress theme development?

contrary to (un)popular belief being specific is what we really need, in our current industry where corporation expect developers to be the jack-of-all-trades...

OT a bit: wordpress developer is a general term for a person who develop both core, plugin and theme... a front end developer is just a cool way to say web designer...

Back to topic: if you are looking for a person who will work on specific task why look for general if you can be specific? the jack-of-all-trades is BS... even i never try to learn all the trades... even if i can...

on business man point of view, i might agree on your opinion...but thats it a business man opinion... its bang for my buck... but as a guy who codes... not good... coz it is very prone to abuse... thats why hire somebody to be a screw driver not a swiss army knife... this is taken from a personal experience both applicant and the one who interview/test an applicant....

remember... Screw Driver not Swiss Army Knife

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Because of Open-Source and CMS? or other softwares? there's a lot of documentation out there and with the help of uncle google..You know it's not about the experienced but SKILLS..