MERGED: Church Etiquette and Dress Code

[diem]

frankly, realistically, and historically speaking, yes it is far than possible to successfully implement the dress code. i say historically because the Catholic church has never strictly imposed dress codes ever since time memorial. why now?

Why not? Better late than never, right?

the difference is that these churches you've mentioned have already established a structure in which people are apt to follow. and the mere fact that the members are well disciplined (i'm not saying Catholics aren't), makes the dress code regulation easy to implement on their side because they have been practicing to wear formal clothing since they became baptized.

So the Catholic Church is lenient. They're trying to change with the times or adopt to the times. They're really slow, but they're trying.

And, I'd like to think about all the babies going to be born to young Catholic couples and being baptized into the Church; the new generations of church goers who will be growing up and going to church with this dress code.

The dress code is imposed NOW, I believe, for the benefit of the coming Catholic generations as well.

I don't.

Sigh. A house divided cannot stand. Sige brad, if you can't support your leaders, particularly your church leaders, why don't you just do something about it? Like change them is one idea. Or rather than air your views here in this forum, get yourself involved with a group and drive to challenge the Church in changing their anachronistic ways.

If you can't be bothered to change and challenge your church leaders, then you could have the choice to change your church.

you're not getting my point. the reason why i am so against the dress code is because it takes away our freedom to do what we want in accordance to our personal choice. majority of Catholics aren't strictly taught by their parents to dress this and that when going to church, are we? if we were (strictly), then we wouldn't have seen any church fashion shows whatsoever.

Well, we can agree that we disagree. All I am trying to point out if this is all about personal choices well the Roman Catholic Church has the choice to implement this dress code for their parishes because they "hold" (or perhaps a more apt word would be "own") the church buildings and chapels. If they want to impose the a sense of decorum on their attendees, so be it, it's their choice right?

I'm going to use this analogy, it's like going to a sports club; there are rules and regulations that the club's members should follow. It's their choice to follow them or not, there would be consequences.

if the Church wants a change and their concern is for the betterment of the Catholic community, they have to implement it STRICTLY. no if's or but's. that's my point.

There we can agree. There should be no ambiguity.

unfortunately, it would take lots of effort for the Church's leaders to gain the respect of their people. they gotta fix their own sensitive issues first (priests engaged in illicit affairs as what Ms. Beau said, etc.)

There it is. chad_tukes, brad, you're not really contesting against the dress code it's clear but you're just seeing this a minor issue raised by the RCC as compared to the huge problems that this Church has. It's like the dress code is a mere band aid on top a wide and deep stab wound on the body of integrity for the Church.

The Philippine Roman Catholic Church does have a lot of internal problems that they would have to really focus on and deal with, but being so stuck in tradition for nearly 2000 years; they're not about to go radical... they should though, but it's not merely in the nature of this Church.

They're just handling their problems in a manner they feel is best for the Church. It doesn't necessarily mean they're doing it the right way; but hey, they're human too.

All in all, I feel that the Philippine Roman Catholic Church should embrace change and adapt to the times in a way that is a return to the early church of Christ before it was assimilated by the Roman empire. They are trying to change, changing, though it's somewhat painfully slow (much to the chagrin of some people), but they are changing.

I would like to say that criticizing and complaining against what the Church leaders are doing in order to maintain peace and order is counter-productive. There are problems and the Church needs solutions, so please if one is to complain then better suggest an alternative that works.

So if one cannot accept the merits of the Church dress code since it is against one's concept of freedom of choice, then please offer another alternative.

[color=navy]Challenging the code without offering a working alternative is really a waste of time and energy which could be better spent in serving God in other ways.

Either change your clothes, or change your church. That's all I am going to say about this topic.

[pridi]

ani nalang ai.... kung naay mo simba nga nihit kaau ug panapton iyang gi sul-ob, ato jud tutukan ug ayo, para ma ulaw...... hehehehe

[PeteBull9]

ani nalang ai.... kung naay mo simba nga nihit kaau ug panapton iyang gi sul-ob, ato jud tutukan ug ayo, para ma ulaw...... hehehehe

pwede kaau bro!! hehehe

[slakker]

yes to dress code...

[tearsforfears]

Kung sa imong hunahuna, Christian ka, dapat lang mag-dress code. Bisag wa pa na gidiktar sa simbahan, kinahanglan ang dress code kay naa na sa Bible.

Tawgon nimo imong kaugalingon nga Christian unya musupak ka sa nakabutang sa Bible, kung unsay imong ganahan mao ray sundon, dili ka Christian.

[alexxandy]

i say yes, its ok lang for me...

[butbuton]

Dress code sa simbahan di na kinahanglan: Dakay

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BANAT

Gibutyag sa tigpamaba sa Artsidyosesis sa Sugbu, Msgr. Achilles Dakay kaniadto pang gibalikbalik nila og pahimangno ngadto sa mga manimbahay nga “proper attire” ug dili ang mga sexy ug mugbo kaayong sinena ang isul-ob sa matag tambong og Santos nga Misa ilabi na sa mga adlaw’ng Domingo.

Kamatuoran niini, sagad sa mga manimbahay ang desente na kini karong tan-awon sa ilang pag-ampo sa Kahitas-an apan dili usab kalikayan nga dunay pipila nga magpabadlong ug mo-insister gihapon sa pagsul-ob og mga sexy kaayong sinena.

i agree! respeto na lng pud ba
tutal 1 hour ra man ang misa, then after sa mass saka pa mag wear ug sexy clothes

[Ms.Beau]

oh well, SUGGESTION:

church leaders should preach and teach more on the values of DECENCY and CONSIDERATION, and not just resort to quick fixes like imposing a "dress code". besides, the quick fix has already sent the wrong message of "one hour ra bitaw, after that pwede na magpasexy".

OT: i'm going to create a new thread somewhere on the kind of church people are seeking. please feel free to post there. it's good to know also of people's deep desires for their spiritual lives. either gen discussion or spirituality. check it out.

[diem]

^^The dress code may only seem like a quick fix, but only I think to those who are impatient. But if enforced and practiced with sincerity of purpose and without ambiguity by the priests and mature members of the parish, then it may present a longer and more profound effect, particularly to the younger churchgoers.

With preaching, there must be doing. I'd like to think of this dress code as a simple exercise or the application of the virtues of decency, consideration and trust

[Ms.Beau]

^^ the dress code IS a quick fix to the problem the Church if facing. people can go to church tomorrow in the prescribed wear but we can't really say they are CHANGED LIVES, can we? Changing a life takes time. I'm more patient in the sense that I'd rather see changed lives than changed clothes. see my point, diem?

But if enforced and practiced with sincerity of purpose and without ambiguity by the priests and mature members of the parish, then it may present a longer and more profound effect, particularly to the younger churchgoers. - the priests and mature members of the church don't need the dress code! it's the "pasaway" who need it. but then again, them changing clothes doesn't mean changed values. the mentality will just be "one hour diri...later pa sexy na ko". see the problem?

With preaching, there must be doing. I'd like to think of this dress code as a simple exercise or the application of the virtues of decency, consideration and trust - yes i'd like to hear their explanation on their specific restrictions--no maong, no sandals, no slippers, and i wonder what else. i suspect these are just unchallenged traditional views with no spiritual significance.