Salvation is a mystery only known to God. the judgement seat is of God and not of men.
the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches about the possibilities of Salvation outside the church. CCC paragraph 847
"Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation."
and specifically talks about Atheism in CCC 2125
"Since it rejects or denies the existence of God, atheism is a sin against the virtue of religion. The imputability of this offense can be significantly diminished in virtue of the intentions and the circumstances."
therefore in the teachings of the Catholic Church, Salvation is not denied to Atheists although Atheism in itself is a direct Sin to God.
salvation in terms of purity of intention,kindness of the heart and soul
and sincerity of Atheistic point of view( which means if mao jud ang naabut sa imung konsensya ug pagsabut nga walay Ginoo sa limpyo ug matuod nga pagsusi).
the Church believes that Christ died for ALL, including those who do not believe in Him or do not believe in God at all. the Church may be necessary for Salvation buyt it is Christ that saves.
so i hope this would bring light to your ill feelings towards Catholics who said you have a special place in Hell..because those people seem to have misunderstood God's love Love and Mercy and what the Church teaches about the mystery of Salvation.. i hope you can find a way to excuse them.
personally, i think it should be the other way around. you guys have a special place in God's heart.
pwede pud ni nimu kalingawan ug basa2x
Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too! - Living Faith - Home & Family - Catholic Online
if God is not real bro then there surely is nothing wrong with disbelief.
at the time of your death, if there's no God that would meet you to give you an accounting of your deeds and consciecne. then let me congratulate you in advance.
if otherwise, it's between you and the Lord. Salvation again is a mystery only known to God. God's mercy and Love can never be restricted to believers alone.
you have my prayers.
OnT: obviously i'm catholic, so catholicism for me is the true religion for through this Church i became a better person..i think... LOL![]()
Last edited by noy; 09-18-2013 at 06:15 PM. Reason: butang-butang style sa font..
taym pa ra gud.... what is TRUE?
I'm sure you mean well as a non-clergyman interpreting Church dogmas through the lens of humanism. To quote one historian in a public lecture, "Some people really do not know what orthodoxy was like in those days." I agree with Bertrand Russell when he said that religion is based primarily on fear. I mean, come on. It used to be Ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation) meant exactly what it said. Nowadays, these masters of doublespeak have reached into their tools of obfuscation and come up with more globally palatable interpretations. That's the job of theology: to make the absurd sound rational.
Tony Hadley is probably an atheist/agnostic, as shown by his response in this interview: Tony Hadley
When asked about the order of service at his funeral, he said: "I’d like people to dress as if they’re going to a concert, so it won’t be too sombre. I don’t believe in the afterlife, so I don’t want anything too religious, but maybe someone can tell a few anecdotes about my chaotic life. They can play Pretty Vacant by the *** Pistols during the cremation and I’d like people to file out to Monty Python’s Always Look On The Bright Side of Life."
And then when asked about the crime he would commit knowing he could get away with it, he replied: "I’d break into the vaults underneath the Vatican and root through all the archives."
Nice one, Tony! The Vatican archives are not as open to the public as some people would like you to believe. Vatileaks, though not related to the Archives, could just be the tip of the iceberg of things many people would like to know, like what really happened or what the Popes were saying during the their bloody history, their ties with the mafia or the Nazis. As one comedian once said "The Vatican tried to hitch their wagon to the number of the beast, but unfortunately Nazism went out of style."
Naa bro. In fact i studied from elem to highschool in a sectarian school.
Mao lang jud ni akong na notice sa religion sa majority. Storya gamay, kanta gamay...taud2 collection dako. Inig taud2 nasad, 2nd collection. Faet.
Mao ng wa koy religion na. I dont have a particular church/religion.
"I like our Christ but not our Christians, because our Christians are so NOT like our Christ."
There's no need to go Fundamental when it comes to each and everyone's religion.
It's simple, True religion exists within ourselves.
It's like a common way of paying tribute to a "higher being", thanking for the world we have which is the earth, our human body, or even as simple as the rain. It doesn't matter whether we call them Jesus, Allah or Sun, the fact the we are just happy to be blessed.
Why "higher being?" because even the scientist knows that as human beings we are not capable of making such works of miracle.
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