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[Boyen]

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lahi pod to nga secret kang bro jovi kay dili man to motoog ginoo bro

[slabdans]

lahi pod to nga secret kang bro jovi kay dili man to motoog ginoo bro

mo too tos Jovi ug Ginoo oi...daghan man gani kaayo to iya

[The_Child]

my own opinion,but your explanation is not quite convincing. If apostolic tradition then our liturgy which we practice today must, in bulk, be wrong because a lot of them are not traceable back to apostolic traditions. the fact for instance that the host (holy communion) in catholic doctrine is REAL the body and blood of christ is not as explicit as it should during the apostolic times. THe idea in which we catholics employ to explain transubstantiation is even, greek, hence, pagan. THe stations of the cross, the praying of the rosary, etc.the confession you mentioned is the forgiveness of sins, but they did not practice the same way we do confessions today. THe forgiveness of sins is shared among all christians. are you telling me that evangelicals do not know how to ask for forgiveness and to forgive those who trespass against them? of course the establishment of the roman church was quite political, the problem with the papal succession is that we cannot question it outside faith. could we? that there really is an unbroken succession...? anything that comes from christ, is not as obvious as it seems. exactly if you remember church history, during the early christian era,even during the middle ages, everyone joined the bandwagon and instituted themselves as followers of christ, so who among alll of them have given a sound doctrine? Paul never specified a person, and christ did not leave a written statement on that regard. btw, its not only the roman church that possess a papal office or something similar in function.

[noy]

kanang kang manalo kay IGLISYA NI KRISTO na bro ug once re kana na mention sa bible
,, lahi na sa IGLISYA SA DIOS

related man gihapon sa catholic akong question bro,,

,,, nakadongog man gud ko sa uban nga si san pedro ang pangulo sa mga apostoles ,, ug imposible mahimong unang santo papa si san pedro kay sa pagtukod sa katoliko nga maoy nag mugna sa santo papa dugay na namatay si san pedro so imposible daw katoliko ang rilihiyon sa mga apostoles,,

unya sa bible new testament makadaghan man gi mention ang IGLISYA SA DIOS,,
pasabta ko palihog bro,,,

Since Roman Catholicism was able to trace Apostolic Succession from St. Peter
while Peter whom Jesus referred to as the Rock in which He will build His church where the gates of Hell shall not overcome it.
Hence, Peter as the First Pope.

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naa koy gamay question.. how may god/s are there?..

from the Catholic perspective. there's only One in 3 persons/attributes (Father, Son and Spirit).

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daghan man ang dios bro



secret lang bro,,,

bro, if you would answer questions posted in this thread. at least limit your answers within the Catholic perspective as the Thread suggests. thank you.

[noy]

my own opinion,but your explanation is not quite convincing.

that's fine. i am not trying to convince you anyway.

If apostolic tradition then our liturgy which we practice today must, in bulk, be wrong because a lot of them are not traceable back to apostolic traditions.

the fact for instance that the host (holy communion) in catholic doctrine is REAL the body and blood of christ is not as explicit as it should during the apostolic times. THe idea in which we catholics employ to explain transubstantiation is even, greek, hence, pagan.

And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
Luke 22:19

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sacrament of the Eucharist
The Eucharist is Not a Pagan Invention | Catholic Answers

THe stations of the cross, the praying of the rosary, etc

Traditionally we are to remember and meditate on the things that Christ has done for us. which is technically what the way of the cross and the Holy rosary is all about.
The Way of the Cross

The Rosary | Catholic Answers

the confession you mentioned is the forgiveness of sins, but they did not practice the same way we do confessions today.

and how exactly confession is being practiced in the times of the apostoles?
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sacrament of penance and reconciliation

THe forgiveness of sins is shared among all christians. are you telling me that evangelicals do not know how to ask for forgiveness and to forgive those who trespass against them?

i didn't say anything like that towards evangelicals.
naturally if one is not a Catholic, esp belonging to a protestant denomination that does not honor the sacrament of confession then their ways of pennance is a mystery only known to God. but as far as Sacred tradition and Scripture are concerned. Catholics are only following in Faith what Christ has instituted through His church.

we can forgive others who sinned against us but only God can forgive our sins. hence the Lord's prayer states, "Forgive us our sins"
Christ as the Son of Man forgave sins and comissioned His first set of priests to continue the things He did while He goes back to the Father with the aid of His Holy Spirit.

of course the establishment of the roman church was quite political, the problem with the papal succession is that we cannot question it outside faith. could
we?

have you ever heard of the term antipope? such term wouldn't arise in the course of history if the Pope is somewhat like a communist leader who can't be questioned.
or in comparison to God who is Perfect.
i see hints of confusion towards Papal infallibility,

perhaps you should read this link to shed some light to your confusion.
Papal Infallibility | Catholic Answers

that there really is an unbroken succession...?

another link perhaps?
Apostolic Succession | Catholic Answers

Roman Catholics recognize the validity of the apostolic successions of the bishops
Apostolic succession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

anything that comes from christ, is not as obvious as it seems. exactly if you remember church history, during the early christian era,even during the middle ages, everyone joined the bandwagon and instituted themselves as followers of christ, so who among alll of them have given a sound doctrine? Paul never specified a person, and christ did not leave a written statement on that regard.

i believe you now see the importance of apostolic lineage.
sound doctrines paul was referring to were of course the teachings(by letter or word) instuted by Christ through His apostles and to their successors.

btw, its not only the roman church that possess a papal office or something similar in function.

prehaps you're referring to Bishops then, the Pope can still be considered as a bishop though. which would be the Bishop in Rome. but regarded as the overseer among all Bishops as Saint Peter was with the other apostles.

Peter's Primacy | Catholic Answers

by the way, this thread is for Q and A purposes only, hope we can maintain such scenario.

by the looks of your posts i can somehow see that your personal views towards the Catholic Church triumphs over your desire for answers to come to light.
which would then place our conversation and efforts to answer your queries in vain
as it looks like you have already reserved answers for your own.

you can correct me if i am wrong by the way.

thank you.

[iron_cross]

for other references you can also refer to: Holy Catholic Church The Original Christian Church that Jesus Christ Founded

[cobraKing]

question nsad ko.. kinsay nag buhat2x ug Purgatory, Limbo of the Fathers or Patriarchs, and Limbo of the Infants??


2nd question why man gibawi ang word na limbo or wala na gi accept sa catholics after 800yrs??

what or why did pope abolished the state of limbo??

[noy]

question nsad ko.. kinsay nag buhat2x ug Purgatory, Limbo of the Fathers or Patriarchs, and Limbo of the Infants??

hmmmm.. murag attack napud ni padulong o..LOL

Purgatory : Purgatory | Catholic Answers
scriptural basis for purgatory: Reader Question: Is There a Scriptural Basis for Purgatory?

ang gabuhat2x anang purgatory bro kay kung kinsa ang nag inspire sa books nga naa sa Bible esp the ones that suggests the existence of purgatory..hehehe

Limbo of Patriarchs is believed to be the state/place where the prophets and the righteous believers who died before Christ's death are being placed
Most Christians believe this Limbo was emptied after the death of Christ when He descended into "the lower regions" and brought the souls to Heaven with him during his ascension.

Limbo of Children is believed to be the state/place where souls of the unbaptized are situated at least temporarily until the Lord's Second Coming.

For Elaborations of the idea, please see the link: CatholicFAQs • View topic - What is Limbo?

Limbo concept exists only because of some Scriptural basis for it.

2nd question why man gibawi ang word na limbo or wala na gi accept sa catholics after 800yrs??

what or why did pope abolished the state of limbo??

First of all, Pope Benedict XVI(the Pope who authorized the Publication of "The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptized,") did not abolish anything but rather elaborated that belief in limbo is not necessary for Salvation.

'cause although the Limbo concept is a common thought in the Catholic theology, it is not Doctrinal and has never been defined as a church dogma. therefore nothing is there to abolish but rather a clarification of the idea perhaps.

the Church believes in the mystery of Salvation and God's mercy. the church even believes that there is hope for Salvation outside the Church under certain circumstances which is only known to God.
how much more for the souls of the unborn children, though stained with original sin but is purely innocent from the nature and decision of sin.

instead the Catechism of the Catholic Church paragrapg 1261 state:

"As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. "

there has been no change in the Catholic teachings but rather a reformation in a refining process in terms of understanding the Catholic Theology.
besides, as stated earlier.
the Limbo concept has never been a Chruch dogma but rather a possibility in the mystery of Salvation.

BTW, i believe question regarding purgatory has long been questioned and answered in this thread.

[cobraKing]

^^Pope abolishes state of limbo | Metro News

[noy]

^^Pope abolishes state of limbo | Metro News

Limbo has never been an OFFICIAL Church teaching.

that's why on the same link you posted. you would see evidence of arguments about the Limbo
for the longest time of Church History. from the time of Augustine, to the 13th century until this latest
theological update on Limbo.
Please know the difference between a CONCEPT and a DOCTRINE.

GIVE ME a n OFFICIAL statement from the Catholic Church that the limbo was DOGMATIC and DOCTRINAL.
or better yet search the entire Catechism of the Catholic Church(official church teachings)
if you can find the teaching about LIMBO there..

until then, the title of your link will be no more than just a CATCHY Headline.

besides, how can we abolish something that has NOT been instituted in the first place?

kung muingon si Pope Francis karun nga i abolish ang purgatory..kana way lalis ana dapita.
kay ang purgatory is an official Catholic Doctrine.

to further clear out the confusion, here is something you might wanna check

In the 1985 book-length interview, "The Ratzinger Report," the future Pope Benedict said, "Limbo was never a defined truth of faith. Personally -- and here I am speaking more as a theologian and not as prefect of the congregation -- I would abandon it, since it was only a theological hypothesis.
source: CNS STORY: Closing the doors of limbo: Theologians say it was hypothesis