US forces 'ready to strike Syria'

[M.A.D.]

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There were two possible routes for the pipeline, but the first route wasn't permitted by the saudis, the second one passes through syria was approved by them which still piggybacks along saudi pipelines. Anyway its you can find it if you can.

Also, there is no bigger market for nat gas than EU. Please use some common sense sometimes if you have to refute these claims, don't just say the burden of proof belongs to the messenger, research them well and then make your rebuttal it's a waste of time when you rebut when you obviously have not been well-read in that specific field of interest.

This is the theory I am alluding too:

Occam's razor - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

a scientific and philosophic rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities

Therefore the simplest explanation with the least variables will always suffice. Anyway I am done talking to you, nice troll by the way.

Qatar has lots of money because of the windfall from energy profits, you still expect them to have lots of money when they can be shut off from the market selling energy? Look at iran it has huge energy deposits yet they are having a hard time with their economy. Why? Is it because they can't sell their oil easily in the market?

Qatar has loads of cash to spend and is seeking to be like the Saudis, a major player and benefactor in the Gulf region. I have read that they also gave $7 billion to Egypt and the rebels there. Does it also mean that they are building a pipeline to Egypt?

Building a pipeline through two unstable countries is just plain madness. Guarding it will be a nightmare bordering on impossible over such a long stretch of land. It makes it a lot cheaper if they just ship that stuff and that is what they have been doing for a long time already.

I thought you said earlier that Saudis won't allow that pipeline and now you say that Saudis and Qataris have made a deal?

Just because you read it somewhere doesn't make it true. You also have to analyze data because there are a lot of conspiracy theories that just doesn't make sense.

[æRLO]

Telling somebody to stop posting fake links from unofficial sites as it is not helping this thread, is a big deal for this nutcrack.

Now, he's just called me idiot. Epic!


OnT: I think Obama just lost some credibility. In his latest speech, Obama is saying it is not him who made the redline, it is the international community. But search the internet. He has always and still the one using the word redline.

"redline" is figurative. What he means by the international community drawing the redline is the various sanctions and prohibition of the use of unconventional weapons, like chemical weapons, that were imposed by the U.N...I think Obama's detractors are taking his words too literally.

On similar note, the U.N. should have exercised its full authority when word came out of the use of chemical weapons--even before its investigation, else it will suffer on its already waning credibility. I think the UN's leniency is the reason nobody respects their resolutions and conventions with rigidity.

[Renz8]

Kaya kaha sa Russia attakihon ang Saudi Cge lng ha pagarpar Putin wla nmn na influence ang Russia sa world stage pulos atik na lng ila......

[pak88]

Also, there is no bigger market for nat gas than EU. Please use some common sense sometimes if you have to refute these claims, don't just say the burden of proof belongs to the messenger, research them well and then make your rebuttal it's a waste of time when you rebut when you obviously have not been well-read in that specific field of interest.

Qatar has lots of money because of the windfall from energy profits, you still expect them to have lots of money when they can be shut off from the market selling energy? Look at iran it has huge energy deposits yet they are having a hard time with their economy. Why? Is it because they can't sell their oil easily in the market?

Pasensya na kung I am not as well read as you. But the fact remains that building a pipeline through a volatile country doesn't make sense because it is a prime target of terrorist attacks. If the Assad regime will be overthrown, a power vacuum will be created because half of the rebels are Muslim extremists. It will be worse than Iraq.

Qatar will always and sell its energy via the sea route, its totally safe and more cost effective than a pipeline through a war-torn country. Its not like they can't sell any natural gas without that pipeline, otherwise, they won't be sitting on that much of a cash horde they have now.

I wonder what is theory you have that they spent $7 billion in Egypt -- more than twice the reported sum they poured into Syria. Another pipeline, perhaps?

[M.A.D.]

You are actually missing the whole point. The real objective of this whole operation is to put Russia out of the natural gas business. Russia is the only major provider of natural gas to the EU. Qatar and the west have been trying to make a natural gas pipeline that passes through syria but unfortunately Assad won't allow it because it will hurt the interests of his Russian allies.

Pasensya na kung I am not as well read as you. But the fact remains that building a pipeline through a volatile country doesn't make sense because it is a prime target of terrorist attacks. If the Assad regime will be overthrown, a power vacuum will be created because half of the rebels are Muslim extremists. It will be worse than Iraq.

Qatar will always and sell its energy via the sea route, its totally safe and more cost effective than a pipeline through a war-torn country. Its not like they can't sell any natural gas without that pipeline, otherwise, they won't be sitting on that much of a cash horde they have now.

I wonder what is theory you have that they spent $7 billion in Egypt -- more than twice the reported sum they poured into Syria. Another pipeline, perhaps?

[æRLO]

You are actually missing the whole point. The real objective of this whole operation is to put Russia out of the natural gas business. Russia is the only major provider of natural gas to the EU. Qatar and the west have been trying to make a natural gas pipeline that passes through syria but unfortunately Assad won't allow it because it will hurt the interests of his Russian allies.

what doesn't make sense here is why the Sauds won't let Qatar build the pipeline. Originally they had planned to build via Kuwait-Saudi Arabia-Iraq-Turkey. The second route would go through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey. You said...

Proposed Nabucco pipeline. This could be the plan of the west(Saudi, Qatar, and US) since it passes over their ally, Turkey. Note that the map still does not indicate passing over Syria specifically Damascus, Homs, and Allepo. Qatar has to make this happen since they could not make a pipeline over Saudi Arabia.

It's like all these theories were made without looking at a map! Whether Qatar installs their puppet regimes in Syria or not, it doesn't matter because the KSA does not want a pipeline over Saudi Arabia. Both routes need to cross Saudi lands.



In addition, How is the U.S. intervention going to help them put up their puppet governments in Syria, when they couldn't even put up their puppet governments in Iraq?

Do you even question that part of the theory?

[M.A.D.]

I left out some info when I said that sorry. Both routes do go over saudi arabia, but saudi chose the second route. I just forgot to specify it. I'll dig up where I got my info soon, apparently there is just too much to look at here. Qatar does not have a choice but to go for the second route that passes through syria.

For US intervention? Well beats me, but since they stand to gain from setting up some needed oil infra in the area, since they have the expertise then they do need to install a regime subservient not only to them but to the Saudis and Qataris as well.

This is where their argument about intervention fails when they say it's about chemical weapons, when their national security interests are not affected at all. But from another perspective it does look like it has some economic interests behind it.

what doesn't make sense here is why the Sauds won't let Qatar build the pipeline. Originally they had planned to build via Kuwait-Saudi Arabia-Iraq-Turkey. The second route would go through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey. You said...



It's like all these theories were made without looking at a map! Whether Qatar installs their puppet regimes in Syria or not, it doesn't matter because the KSA does not want a pipeline over Saudi Arabia. Both routes need to cross Saudi lands.



In addition, How is the U.S. intervention going to help them put up their puppet governments in Syria, when they couldn't even put up their puppet governments in Iraq?

Do you even question that part of the theory?

[pak88]

Kaya kaha sa Russia attakihon ang Saudi Cge lng ha pagarpar Putin wla nmn na influence ang Russia sa world stage pulos atik na lng ila......

Di siguro ni niya makaya, except going nuclear. Saudis are armed with the best weapon systems money can buy, maybe at par with the Israelis. Putin will not have the support of the Russian people if it goes to war since it will trigger a war with the US.

[pak88]

You are actually missing the whole point. The real objective of this whole operation is to put Russia out of the natural gas business. Russia is the only major provider of natural gas to the EU. Qatar and the west have been trying to make a natural gas pipeline that passes through syria but unfortunately Assad won't allow it because it will hurt the interests of his Russian allies.

Russia is not the only major provider of natural gas in the EU. It has a quarter of the market share. Norway, another major producer of fossil fuels, dominates much of Western Europe. Whether that pipeline gets built or not, Russia will not be out of business since it has long term supply contracts and monopolies in place over much of Eastern Europe. It is difficult and costly to build pipelines from the Middle East to Eastern Europe. Costs will be will be high in building to landlocked countries and demand may not be that great because of the income level is lower than that of the West.

[street_of_no_return]

^kuyawa ani nila wue.. murag mag mga CIA suhito kaau..