'We tried to contact each other' - captains from both ships that collided.

[mang kulas]

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Mao bro. Pero dapat mahibaw.an jud kung kinsa ang sad.an i mean ang Root Cause of the incident which i mentioned.

Ibutang ta lng bro ikaw ang 2GO Captain. Nkgcommunicate kas pikas vessel pero wlay response. Unya dool nlng kaau inyong mga barko. Unya tan.aw nmu mg bangga njud ky wa jud ni response ang pikas. As a captain u are fully aware of the rules of the road but in reality its a case 2 case. pareha ani nga incident, if muadto kas right masangad ka, some say nga maintain lng straight direction pero kita na kaau nmu nga magbangga njud so mabuhat jud nmu ang wla sa rules just to avoid the collision.

What i'm saying is, if the mistake of 2GO is wla cla musunod sa rules of the road it is only a causal effect of the root cause w/c is ang wla pagsunod sa Sulpicio sa TSS and not responding to 2GO's call. (my only opinion)

DIARA ang katubagan ana imung pasabot bay ay, Rule #2 (b)

Rule 2 - Responsibility
(a) Nothing in these Rules shall exonerate any vessel, or the owner, master, or crew thereof, from the consequences of any neglect to comply with these Rules or of the neglect of any precaution which may be required by the ordinary practice of seamen, or by the special circumstances of the case.
(b) In construing and complying with these Rules due regard shall be had to all dangers of navigation and collision and to any special circumstances, including the limitations of the vessels involved, which may make a departure from these Rules necessary to avoid immediate danger.

[mang kulas]

Sorry to be off topic but somehow related ni siya gamay siguro.

Ang International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea 1972 as amended maoy "bible" sa mga marino ( i quote @mang kulas).

Ang Phillippines niadtong June 10, 2013 lang ang entry into force or date of succession aning regulationa.
So unsang regulations sa dagat ang gisunod sa mga marino before aning date?
I know i know kani gihapon siya nga regulations.

Pero legally speaking, does that mean nga tanang disaster diri sa atoa before June 10, 2013 dili magamit ang kaning regulation as basis sa ilang kaso to determine who is at fault kay June 10, 2013 ra man ni entry into force sa Philippines?
If so naa ba tay gitawag ug Inland Rules of the Road?

MOD: if layo ra ni sa topic and you think it is not related, pls kindly delete accordingly, tks.

Dili bay uy! BASIN STCW 2010 amendments na imung pasabot bay. hehehe lahi sad na xa... STCW (Standard Training and CErtification for Watchkeeping)

dgahan man gud amendsments. STCW 78/STCW 98/STCW 2010

Mao na xa ang STANDARD qualification sa seafarers para madawat, before saunang panahon, wala pay STCW.. ang kasagarang seafarers, dili college grad. year 1940'1970's... walay mga diploma, basta naay experience, kasagaran sa uban mga . EX-CONVICT or mga buluyagon dris yuta, kay kinsa man saunang panahon gusto muadtog dagat 1-2 years?.... mao grabe mga BATASAN adto nila... so pag IMPLEMENT sa STCW 98... gi abolish to nilang mga OFFICERS & MATES asta MASTERS na wala COMPLY sa STCW 98.... which is a Graduate of BSMT, a DIPLOMA HOLDER ang a BOARD PASSER, unya dagahng TRAINING..

STCW 2010 mao ra japon, naa lay karagdagang TRAININGS...

Rules of the road dugay na kayu na bay

[jiro]

the way i see it, nag inisugay lang lagi ning duka ka kapitan. paugat ba. playing "game of chicken", tanawn kung kinsay una mulikay.

[vo2max]

No dili na mao akong gipasabot.
The convention you are referring to is the STCW 1978 latest Manila amendment 2010 and entered into force 1 January 2012.
It was not referred to as the STCW 1998 because prior to that year 1995 was the 1st amendment.

I am referring to the COLREGS1972 which the PHILIPPINES by ACCESSION was only last June 10, 2013.
Please check again your notes.

Dili bay uy! STCW 2010 amendments na imung pasabot bay. hehehe lahi sad na xa... STCW (Standard Training and CErtification for Watchkeeping)

dgahan man gud amendsments. STCW 98/STCW 2010

Mao na xa ang STANDARD qualification sa seafarers para madawat, before saunang panahon, wala pay STCW.. ang kasagarabg seafarers, dili college grad. year 1940'1980's... walay mga diploma, basta naay experience, kasagaran sa uban mga . EX-CONVICT or mga buluyagan dris yuta, kay kinsa man saunang panahon gusto muadtog dagat 1-2 years.... mao grabe mga BATASAN adto nila... so pag IMPLEMENT sa STCW 98... gi abolish to nilang mga OFFICERS & MATES asta MASTERS na wala COMPLY sa STCW 98.... which is a Graduate of BSMT, a DIPLOMA HOLDER ang a BOARD PASSER, unya dagahng TRAINING..

STCW 2010 mao ra japon, naa lay karagdagang TRAININGS...

Rules of the road dugay na kayu na bay

[mang kulas]

No dili na mao akong gipasabot.
The convention you are referring to is the STCW 1978 latest Manila amendment 2010 and entered into force 1 January 2012.
It was not referred to as the STCW 1998 because prior to that year 1995 was the 1st amendment.

I am referring to the COLREGS1972 which the PHILIPPINES by SUCCESSION was only last June 10, 2013.
Please check again your notes.

Dili bay uy! uu STCW dagahn nang amendments STCW 78,95,98,2010 pinka LATESt pero di ta anang STCW kay lahi na na xa na ISSUE


Sure q bay 100% na nagsunod ang PINAS sa Rules of the road, kay tanang NASOD nagsunod ana, international rules na xa, except a special rules na giimplement sa usa ka state, pero DILI pwedi mu CONTRADICT sa COLREGS (rules of the road)
asa nimu nabasahan na 2013 pa nag sunod ang pinas?

[vo2max]

Dili bay uy! uu STCW dagahn nang amendments STCW 78,95,98,2010 pinka LATESt pero di ta anang STCW kay lahi na na xa na ISSUE

Sure q bay 100% na nagsunod ang PINAS sa Rules of the road, kay tanang NASOD nagsunod ana, international rules na xa, except a special rules na giimplement sa usa ka state, pero DILI pwedi mu CONTRADICT sa COLREGS (rules of the road)
asa nimu nabasahan na 2013 pa nag sunod ang pinas?

Bro sorry we don't want these to be OT so much ug mabadlong unya ta diri. Last na ni nako ha.
Dili lagi STCW akong gipasabot bro.
Ako lang pud ni i-clear ang STCW 1978 is not an amendment by itself. It is the original convention as adopted in the IMO.
STCW amendments kay 1995 ug 2010 lang. Walay amendment nga 1998 bro.

Akong giingon is Colregs 1972 nga ang Pilipinas was accepted by succession only last June 10, 2013.
Dili man signatory ang Pilipinas atong time 1972 pag enter ani bilang convention.
Also the Philippines was not a signatory when the said convention entered into force in 1977.
Naapil ang Pilipinas by ACCESSION only last June 10, 2013 lang gyud.

Although this is OT, perhaps this will enlightened those seafarers that are reading this information. That is the only intention i have, nothing else.

Joke only ha . If sure ka bai bahin ani, sure pud ko kaayo bahin ani. No pun intended sa situation sa duwa ka barko.

Back to topic na tah oi.

[vipvip68]

Would anyone know any recent findings on which vessel was in the correct/wrong lane?

Conflicting man ang mga initial reports... different claims of both vessels being in the wrong lane.

[vo2max]

Would anyone know any recent findings on which vessel was in the correct/wrong lane?

Conflicting man ang mga initial reports... different claims of both vessels being in the wrong lane.

Sa news ugma pa magstart ang formal investigation sa Marina/SBMI.
Huwat nalang ta sa ilang updates.

[7DMM]

Would anyone know any recent findings on which vessel was in the correct/wrong lane?

Conflicting man ang mga initial reports... different claims of both vessels being in the wrong lane.

nobody.besides this thread is for "healthy intellectual discussion".this is not the official page regarding the investigation of this tragic incident.

[hunyanggo1977]

basi sun ang gamit sa kapitan sa ASPAC nya globe ang 2GO, maong wala sila magka sinabot kay pirme drop calls...jejeje


serious ta:

If i-base ko ang opinion ko sa sinabi ng district commander, ang kapitan ng 2Go ang at fault dyan. Kasi siya ang nag.change course to the left eh instead of right.

Ang question dyan, kung talaga bang may shallow waters on his right side.

yup shallow water ang right side kung inbound vessel ka. restricted waters man jud na nga dapit. so dapat mosunod jud ka sa traffic separation scheme...