'We tried to contact each other' - captains from both ships that collided.

[mang kulas]

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Is it possible for someone to think that the process of communicating by the radio at that given time could have been the cause of the collision?
Kinsa muapil nako to think that it is possible?

The use of the VHF radio, at that given moment, is a waste of time and caused remarkable delay to take action to avoid collision.
Instead of calling the other vessel, collision regulations/avoidance could have been initiated instead of using the vhf radio as a collision avoidance.

There are a lot of collisions caused by using the vhf radio as it cause delay and waste of time.
Atlantic & Arngast August 2005 Denmark territorial waters
MSC Ayra & Bergitta October 2004 Territorial waters
Sky Hope & Hyundai Dominion June 2004 East China territorial waters.

just my 0.02 cents.

i know there is no such thing as RADIO NAVIGATION... pero importante kaayu na bro...
takes time? how... seconds rana bro, magkasinabot dayon mu, except kung dili kabaw mu englis.... or lain lain nationality


example sa radio comminication ha
sulpicio:
Motor Vessel 2GO 3x
this is Motor vessel Sulpicio in ch. 16
2go:
Motor vessel sulpicio this is motor vessel 2go replying. change chanel to 10 over!

sulpicio:
Motor vessel 2go copy! change channel 10 over

Sulpicio at Ch.10:
Motor vessel 2go this is Motor vessel sulpicio over

2go:
Motor vessel Sulpicio
"PORT to PORT please"

Sulpicio:
"Copy! Port to port"
Back to Chanel 16 OUT!!!!!

asa may delay ana? except kung ning tawag ka close quarters na, kanang 1 mile nlng distanxa,,, xempre tawag ka safe distance. 10 miles minimum 5 miles..

tanang barko should STAND by on VHF CH. 16. unya mag storya gani mu balhin mug chanel para dili maistorbo inyo istoraya kay dagahn manawag sa ch 16.. diha ang comms

[Kristiano]

nice to know these conversations dah... bisag dili ko marino...

[krishnu shivaq silquin]

Okay. Pero ngano mao man ilang g.rason and take note, both are captains... Nag basi rako sa gpost ni ts nga naa sa first page.. Otherwise Dili nila I.apil sa report... Or pasangil lang na... kapitan baya na then kung sakto ni nga information, apil baya na sa ilang report... And that same report maoy usa sa basihan gawas sa physical evidence ug gawas sa huna huna sa investigator.. And that same report could possibly be the reason nga mapildi Asa nila... Ako lang na ha...

[vo2max]

Kung mao man gani na ang nahitabo... Possibly ba sad na ilang gsulti na wala silay contact... Both captains... Unsa man diay nga gadget nga kung Dili ra diay ma contact.. Walay gamit... I assume same na ug principle anang VHF bana radio kanang gamiton sa pulis nga frequency ang basihan... Kay sa rason nila gud... Tungod walay contact mao nadasmag sila... So kung nagcontakay sila Dili to ma.igo? Then kung ingon ana na ka importante ngano man ka dal ra pud ma hagtos oi... Or apil nato sa accidente...kung kanus.a siya gamit.. Diha sa siya mo hagtos....

Bro interesting ni dah. Nagingon diay sila nga tungod walay contact mao nadasmagan sila? Official statement ni nila bro? (Pls pm me the link/website, tks).

Hala hala if tinood man gani ni nga gikan nila mga masters, murag magkatawa gyud ang ubang mga masters/captains anih (master cutter, master baker, master chef, master sergeant, master key, barrio captain, barangay captain, etc).

Nindot ning imong pangutana dah. "So kung nagcontakay sila Dili to ma.igo?"

Collision avoidance diay ning tawag sa vhf radio?
ingon sa akong amigo, dili. So ako pud too nga dili.

Let's hear sa mga master's diri beh.

[krishnu shivaq silquin]

Importante cguro na oi... Kay basi sa ilang mga rason.. Kay lagi Dili ka contact... Nahulog nalang to na instinct sa duha ka kapitan.. Mura jud to sila ug kanang duha ka taw nga magsugat nga sa perting likay.. Magdasmag no.on... Which is funny hehehe.. Kay cge lang ko ana... Medyo uwaw sad baya.. Katawa ta kay kadlawn na...

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Sakto ka bai... Wala na nila gsulti in fact ni ana ko na sa ako ranang pangagpas or pagsabot... Pero kung basihan nako ilang g.istorya nga naa sa first page... Mao na akong pagsabot...

[vo2max]

i know there is no such thing as RADIO NAVIGATION... pero importante kaayu na bro...
takes time? how... seconds rana bro, magkasinabot dayon mu, except kung dili kabaw mu englis.... or lain lain nationality


example sa radio comminication ha
sulpicio:
Motor Vessel 2GO 3x
this is Motor vessel Sulpicio in ch. 16
2go:
Motor vessel sulpicio this is motor vessel 2go replying. change chanel to 10 over!

sulpicio:
Motor vessel 2go copy! change channel 10 over

Sulpicio at Ch.10:
Motor vessel 2go this is Motor vessel sulpicio over

2go:
Motor vessel Sulpicio
"PORT to PORT please"

Sulpicio:
"Copy! Port to port"
Back to Chanel 16 OUT!!!!!

asa may delay ana? except kung ning tawag ka close quarters na, kanang 1 mile nlng distanxa,,, xempre tawag ka safe distance. 10 miles minimum 5 miles..

tanang barko should STAND by on VHF CH. 16. unya mag storya gani mu balhin mug chanel para dili maistorbo inyo istoraya kay dagahn manawag sa ch 16.. diha ang comms

This will be a healthy discussion ingon sa akong amigo nga master sad.

On a perfect world, yes makatabang kaayo if made in ample time, while each vessel is still far from each other and not in close quarters situation as what appears on that particular situation.

On your example, yes dali ra kaayo, but our world is not so perfect.

Assuming that your thinking (of calling abt 10 nmiles is also the thinking of the masters of the ill fated vessel kay master man mo tanan and naa "bible" na gisunod.), what did you do or them when the vessel was less than 10 nmiles and coming closer in a collision situation while no communication was established?
Keep on calling until the other vessel replies?
Surely if you are in these situation you would make the proper collision avoidance action and not waste time calling someone who is not answering your call. Even if you are the stand-on vessel, you will take action if the other vessel is not taking any positive action di ba? (mao na akong nabasahan sa imong gi-link nga "bible".

I am not a seafarer but i would bet that the communication example you have shown is not that always quick.
I would think that sometime in your career, you have experienced some difficulty on getting the called vessel to reply as quick as you portrayed it to be.

Btw my post says "at that given moment".

[mang kulas]

Bro interesting ni dah. Nagingon diay sila nga tungod walay contact mao nadasmagan sila? Official statement ni nila bro? (Pls pm me the link/website, tks).

Hala hala if tinood man gani ni nga gikan nila mga masters, murag magkatawa gyud ang ubang mga masters/captains anih (master cutter, master baker, master chef, master sergeant, master key, barrio captain, barangay captain, etc).

Nindot ning imong pangutana dah. "So kung nagcontakay sila Dili to ma.igo?"

Collision avoidance diay ning tawag sa vhf radio?
ingon sa akong amigo, dili. So ako pud too nga dili.

Let's hear sa mga master's diri beh.

Hinoon dili na pwedi mahimung rason bro like what i said. walay such thing as "RADIO NAVIGATION"wala na xa gi butang sa rules of the roads pero try to check Rule #5

Rule 5 - Lookout

Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision.

ang RADIO kay na belong na xa sa "ALL AVAILABLE MEANS"na gi state sa RULE#5

so all availble means explains itself
RADIO? you can kontak the vessel mangutanan ka "WHAT IS YOUR INTENTION"? para makahibaw ka unsa iyang MANUEVERE, or NAGUB>AN ba xag makina dila xa kalaikay,,, communication plays a vital role in navigation sad,,, pero dili xa pweding himoong rason nanu nabangga

[krishnu shivaq silquin]

Ah okay... Dili diay pwede nga Dili ang captain mo tawag while the captain itself handles the proper avoidance action... Or sa laktud pagkasulti kanang taw na Dili kaau critical nga naa do.ol.... Or tanang taw naa do.ol sa captain busy.. Pagmay time... Hehehe

[zach]

i know there is no such thing as RADIO NAVIGATION... pero importante kaayu na bro...
takes time? how... seconds rana bro, magkasinabot dayon mu, except kung dili kabaw mu englis.... or lain lain nationality


example sa radio comminication ha
sulpicio:
Motor Vessel 2GO 3x
this is Motor vessel Sulpicio in ch. 16
2go:
Motor vessel sulpicio this is motor vessel 2go replying. change chanel to 10 over!

sulpicio:
Motor vessel 2go copy! change channel 10 over

Sulpicio at Ch.10:
Motor vessel 2go this is Motor vessel sulpicio over

2go:
Motor vessel Sulpicio
"PORT to PORT please"

Sulpicio:
"Copy! Port to port"
Back to Chanel 16 OUT!!!!!

asa may delay ana? except kung ning tawag ka close quarters na, kanang 1 mile nlng distanxa,,, xempre tawag ka safe distance. 10 miles minimum 5 miles..

tanang barko should STAND by on VHF CH. 16. unya mag storya gani mu balhin mug chanel para dili maistorbo inyo istoraya kay dagahn manawag sa ch 16.. diha ang comms

Make sense bro..kato Light signals bro like Red light is Port 2 Port but suddenly turn Green. Dli kaha mao to ang naka cause jud? Wla judto nagka sinabot bah..

[mang kulas]

This will be a healthy discussion ingon sa akong amigo nga master sad.

On a perfect world, yes makatabang kaayo if made in ample time, while each vessel is still far from each other and not in close quarters situation as what appears on that particular situation.

On your example, yes dali ra kaayo, but our world is not so perfect.

Assuming that your thinking (of calling abt 10 nmiles is also the thinking of the masters of the ill fated vessel kay master man mo tanan and naa "bible" na gisunod.), what did you do or them when the vessel was less than 10 nmiles and coming closer in a collision situation while no communication was established?
Keep on calling until the other vessel replies?
Surely if you are in these situation you would make the proper collision avoidance action and not waste time calling someone who is not answering your call. Even if you are the stand-on vessel, you will take action if the other vessel is not taking any positive action di ba? (mao na akong nabasahan sa imong gi-link nga "bible".

I am not a seafarer but i would bet that the communication example you have shown is not that always quick.
I would think that sometime in your career, you have experienced some difficulty on getting the called vessel to reply as quick as you portrayed it to be. Most especially is there is an element of "daga sa dibdib".

Btw my post says "at that given moment".

sakto ka bro,,, ug 10 miles imu gitawagan wala mutubag. unya cge ka tawag wala jud, unya ning abot na 5 miles,
sakto ka na ikaw mubuhat ug paagi to avoid collision... sakto mana.