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    Default Re: Mam! Dad! Im sorry, Im gay!


    Quote Originally Posted by pnoize2k7
    homosexuality is not a disease nor is it a behavior that can be "healed". No one, not even the experts in the field of medicine has determined the real cause of homosexuality. and to blame the parents for homosexuality is just plain wrong.

    this is exactly the kind of narrow-mindedness that the gay community detest.
    i agree.

    it is precisely when someone haphazardly views the condition of others, without real basis on fact, as 'wanting', 'abnormal', 'wrong' or 'defective' that creates the very atmosphere of prejudice and discrimination.

    the same is true with regards to racial, ethnic and religious discrimination in the history books. the same is true with sexual discrimination against women and homosexuals, past and present.

    the challenge now is, are you going to be a conduit for this kind of discrimination, or are you going to be a catalyst for change?
    “What we call chaos is just patterns we haven't recognized. What we call random is just patterns we cant decipher. What we can't understand we call nonsense. What we can't read we call gibberish.” - Chuck Palahniuk

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    Default Re: Mam! Dad! Im sorry, Im gay!

    Quote Originally Posted by gareb
    i agree.

    it is precisely when someone haphazardly views the condition of others, without real basis on fact, as 'wanting', 'abnormal', 'wrong' or 'defective' that creates the very atmosphere of prejudice and discrimination.

    the same is true with regards to racial, ethnic and religious discrimination in the history books. the same is true with sexual discrimination against women and homosexuals, past and present.

    the challenge now is, are you going to be a conduit for this kind of discrimination, or are you going to be a catalyst for change?
    bull's eye!

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    Default Re: Mam! Dad! Im sorry, Im gay!

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    Default Re: Mam! Dad! Im sorry, Im gay!

    Quote Originally Posted by *dudes*
    what i mean is homosexuality develops because of the failure of the parents responsibility to affirm their children
    what the parents should rather do is to let their children be the best that they can be whether they're homo or not

    Quote Originally Posted by *dudes*
    we'll if you agree with me or not, homosexuality is a sinful way of coping up what is missing in our life, within ourselves
    could you elaborate more on this? this seems so misleading. are you pertaining to the 'acts' or the idea of being homosexuals itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by makoyvelasco
    what the parents should rather do is to let their children be the best that they can be whether they're homo or not
    could you elaborate more on this? this seems so misleading. are you pertaining to the 'acts' or the idea of being homosexuals itself?
    based on my research, parents has a great role on developing their children's security of their being, parents should study books on parenting or even attend seminars on parenting, i notice that many parents based their methods of parenting on what their parents did to them, its lacking, parenting is sometimes going beyond comfort, sometimes a parent should be change first in order to be effective in parenting.

    As what i have said, homosexuality is a result of a sinful response to pain and heartaches coz by other people specifically, same *** attraction develops when a person has lost his/her trust with the same ***, especially among those people dearest to him/her, father or mother or other loved ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *dudes*
    As what i have said, homosexuality is a result of a sinful response to pain and heartaches coz by other people specifically, same *** attraction develops when a person has lost his/her trust with the same ***, especially among those people dearest to him/her, father or mother or other loved ones.
    this is very one-sided. though some homos are results of maltreatments, there are also a lot of causes of homosexuality, some even biological. is that sinful? no. regarding them as sinful or is an indirect way of degrading and discriminating them.

    trauma is a more appropriate term for your POV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *dudes*
    based on my research, parents has a great role on developing their children's security of their being, parents should study books on parenting or even attend seminars on parenting, i notice that many parents based their methods of parenting on what their parents did to them, its lacking, parenting is sometimes going beyond comfort, sometimes a parent should be change first in order to be effective in parenting.

    As what i have said, homosexuality is a result of a sinful response to pain and heartaches coz by other people specifically, same *** attraction develops when a person has lost his/her trust with the same ***, especially among those people dearest to him/her, father or mother or other loved ones.
    how sure are you that what you say is true? why is it that some homosexual have strong bonds with their parents and the people around them? your theory is not applicable to all homosexuals, and therefore should not be applied to all homosexuals.

    just to reiterate what has been said

    Quote Originally Posted by pnoize2k7
    homosexuality is not a disease nor is it a behavior that can be "healed". No one, not even the experts in the field of medicine has determined the real cause of homosexuality. and to blame the parents for homosexuality is just plain wrong.

    this is exactly the kind of narrow-mindedness that the gay community detest.
    there are things in this world that we do not fully understand, and homosexuality is one of them. so, unless you can come up with a clear, cut-throat, indisputable, undeniable, flawlessly perfect theory, stop pointing fingers at who caused what and at what's right and what's wrong. 'coz at this point in time, nobody in this world has the right to do that.

    to put it simply, make sure that when you come up with something, it is as unquestionable, in arithmetic, that 1 + 1 = 2.

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    Default Re: Mam! Dad! Im sorry, Im gay!

    Quote Originally Posted by makoyvelasco
    this is very one-sided. though some homos are results of maltreatments, there are also a lot of causes of homosexuality, some even biological. is that sinful? no. regarding them as sinful or is an indirect way of degrading and discriminating them.

    trauma is a more appropriate term for your POV.
    Accdg to this article http://www.iserp.columbia.edu/resear...s/2001_04.html, same *** attraction cannot be considered biological or genetic due to "the pattern of concordance of same-*** preference among siblings is inconsistent with a simple genetic influence model"

    "Their results provide substantial support for the role of social influences" as a basis of the development of same *** attraction. I could say that this inappropriate feelings exist as a results of what is lacking inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aridoasis
    how sure are you that what you say is true? why is it that some homosexual have strong bonds with their parents and the people around them? your theory is not applicable to all homosexuals, and therefore should not be applied to all homosexuals.

    just to reiterate what has been said

    there are things in this world that we do not fully understand, and homosexuality is one of them. so, unless you can come up with a clear, cut-throat, indisputable, undeniable, flawlessly perfect theory, stop pointing fingers at who caused what and at what's right and what's wrong. 'coz at this point in time, nobody in this world has the right to do that.

    to put it simply, make sure that when you come up with something, it is as unquestionable, in arithmetic, that 1 + 1 = 2.
    You are right, the issue on homosexuality could not be understood fully, but the are people who experience it, studied it, and they came up with sociological aspects on why same *** attractions happen especially during adolescence stage.

    I suggest that you do research also so you will know if whether what Im saying is true or not. I am not judging anybody here especially gays or lesbian here, I am telling here what would be the possible truth behind this struggles and by understanding it, we might provide a possible solution for this issue. This is my goal, to find solutions to this problem.

    I would understand if you reacted this way, could people like this needs sympathy and care on their situation but sometimes accepting the truth behind a certain life issues would be painful but at the end, freedom is the product of it.

    Here's one of the site that might help you: http://www.narth.com/index.html

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    @*dudes*: i am sorry, i cannot agree with you.

    As what i have said, homosexuality is a result of a sinful response to pain and heartaches coz by other people specifically, same *** attraction develops when a person has lost his/her trust with the same ***, especially among those people dearest to him/her, father or mother or other loved ones.
    this is very presumptuous. it tends to generalize the whole homosexual experience as a result of a 'falling out' from particular people of the opposite ***. this idea falls apart when examples are presented of homosexuals who are quite close to people (parents, siblings, friends, etc.) who are of the opposite ***.

    what is also clearly not given any weight in this assumption are the distinctions between the concepts of gender identity and sexual orientation. these two concepts, through sometimes correlated, must never be confused.
    Accdg to this article http://www.iserp.columbia.edu/resear...s/2001_04.html, same *** attraction cannot be considered biological or genetic due to "the pattern of concordance of same-*** preference among siblings is inconsistent with a simple genetic influence model"
    your source is clearly outdated and partial.

    i hope you have already read articles regarding observations of homosexual behavior among a menagerie of animals both captive and wild. to add 'social influence' as the cause of these particular kinds of homosexual behavior, one should dare to consider if animals too have some kinds of a 'culture' as complex as our own.

    You are right, the issue on homosexuality could not be understood fully, but the are people who experience it, studied it, and they came up with sociological aspects on why same *** attractions happen especially during adolescence stage.
    another hopelessly biased observation that can only come from someone who already has a preconceived notion that homosexuality, in itself, is an 'ailment' or a 'disease' or 'something that can be 'healed' (which is another way of saying 'it is a disease')'.

    what these people seem to fail to observe is that it is not only homosexuality that "happen especially during adolescence stage", but 'heterosexuality' as well.
    This is my goal, to find solutions to this problem.
    it is not really a problem at all. the problem is those people who see it as a problem that needs to be solved either by eradication, discrimination or outright ostracism and exclusion.
    “What we call chaos is just patterns we haven't recognized. What we call random is just patterns we cant decipher. What we can't understand we call nonsense. What we can't read we call gibberish.” - Chuck Palahniuk

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