Youth: kita nasad sa kongresso! let OUR voices be heard!

[duke pikaso]

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It might just be apathy in the part of the Youth Voters or perhaps they are a bit adamant to the leftist orientation of the group. Might we not forget that there are members of the youth that are not very comfortable with the left in the political spectrum. I'm one of them. Or perhaps, they just dont like the partylist, with the thought that it doesnt really represent them as members of the Youth. Again im one of them. but it is a noble ideal. its just that i dont believe in it.

What is the party-list system of election?

It is a mechanism of proportional representation in the election of representatives to the House of Representatives from marginalized or underrepresented national, regional and sectoral parties, or organizations or coalitions thereof registered with the Commission on Elections (Comelec).

eh di brad, di sana nibotar ka! dis is a democratic country ryt? u shud exercise ur ryt to vote.. or kung nibutar man gani ka, naka botar unta ka sa "representative" or sa nag "represent" nimu.. party list elections represents the unrepresented sector in the country, so if u feel that ur represented, we are not forcing you to vote KABATAAN..

well well well,, nasa 1.58% na ang KABATAAN, gamay nalang..

[The_Child]

kinsa may nagrrepresentar nako?

i dont think any of the interest groups, which you people so fondly call party-lists, represents me. Though i belong to the youth, i do not believe that that partylist nga imong gisulti nakarepresentar nako. I am adamant with the leftist orientation of the group. So there you have it.

[duke pikaso]

^^
kini unta imu gibutaran


ranked 90 - Youth League for Peace Advancement - LYPAD - 6,088- 0.05

pero dili na "leftist" org..

wahahaha
.. soree nga lang, pelde!! wa kaabot bisan sa tenth decimal place man lang ang total votes!!



but then again, the YOUTH who voted KABATAAN knows that KABATAAN will represent kabataan...

ani man gud, mga members man gud and who voted KABATAAN is soooooooooooo wide...

school organizations, university, college and school student councils, fraternities and sororities, youth artists, youth workers, peasant youth, professional youth, and more youth!

again we do not force u to be with KABATAAN.. but your part of what we are fighting for..


mura ra gud nag si PGMA ang president sa pilipinas, pero di mi ganahan niya na nag represent sa pilipinas.. :mrgreen:

pero maybe, time will come, things might change.. u might join kabataan.. (again, im not forcing you)

total, change is d only permanent thing naman diba...

[astroboyreal]

maka hinumdom ko ani na words from a youth farmer sa hacienda luisita kung manalo kayo; ipaglalaban nyo ba kami?

kana na words moy pinaka payter akong nadunggan coming from a youth worker... who not only help to fee his family but to help his brothers and sisters to go to school sad. little do we know ang hacienda luisita farmers kay gi sweldohan rag pinaka gamay na sweldo sa tanan. isa na sila ka adlaw mag work sa farms, pila ka hektarya gi own sa mga conjuanco (sak2 bah spelling?) nya minimum wage gihapon? kinsay mo fight nila? mga itoy itoy sa mga conjuanco? kinsay against nila? dba mga progressive groups?

[The_Child]

maka hinumdom ko ani na words from a youth farmer sa hacienda luisita kung manalo kayo; ipaglalaban nyo ba kami?

kana na words moy pinaka payter akong nadunggan coming from a youth worker... who not only help to fee his family but to help his brothers and sisters to go to school sad. little do we know ang hacienda luisita farmers kay gi sweldohan rag pinaka gamay na sweldo sa tanan. isa na sila ka adlaw mag work sa farms, pila ka hektarya gi own sa mga conjuanco (sak2 bah spelling?) nya minimum wage gihapon? kinsay mo fight nila? mga itoy itoy sa mga conjuanco? kinsay against nila? dba mga progressive groups?

OT: i have a friend who lived in hacienda luisita, and he told me that, ang gubot sa hacienda gidala sa pagsulod sa Union. Before that, wala daw kuno nay gubot. Ang union pagsulod nila, were putting their own people in the hacienda, and they're responsible, for the agitation inside the hacienda. well thats what my friend told me. Diba? AgitPro? Agitation and Propaganda is the most widely used tool by such organization ?


mura ra gud nag si PGMA ang president sa pilipinas, pero di mi ganahan niya na nag represent sa pilipinas.. thumbsup

pero maybe, time will come, things might change.. u might join kabataan.. (again, im not forcing you)

total, change is d only permanent thing naman diba...

thats not the same, PGMA is an individual, she's not a partylist. Ang nakadaut man gud anang partylist gud kay it strips the individual of thinking for his own self-interest kay i-channel naman ang iyang self-interest to a collective interest which happens to be the interest of those who are controlling the organization no matter how noble it is, it is all about Vanity.


total, change is d only permanent thing naman diba. not all things change.

[burn_my_eyes]

partylist...

nautakan din yan ng mga leftist at cpp...now they are holding positions in the govt.

[duke pikaso]

OT: i have a friend who lived in hacienda luisita, and he told me that, ang gubot sa hacienda gidala sa pagsulod sa Union. Before that, wala daw kuno nay gubot. Ang union pagsulod nila, were putting their own people in the hacienda, and they're responsible, for the agitation inside the hacienda. well thats what my friend told me. Diba? AgitPro? Agitation and Propaganda is the most widely used tool by such organization ?

hint! ang pagtukod sa usa ka union is a COLLECTIVE decision.. dili ra na sa desisyon sa usa ka tao.. ang gilankuban sa usa ka unyon mao ang tanan miyembor o ang mga representante sa mga grupo sa usa ka society, trabaho ug uban pa! so kung an union ang rason tungod nag ka "gubot" sa hacienda luisita, basin ang imu nka storya, dili miyembro sa unyon!!! wahahah.. chaons!!!
AGITPRO, dili na mao amu gamit, basin siguro nagka "gubot" ang nagstorya nimu kay sayop iya pamaagi! wahahah.. chaons na pod!!


thats not the same, PGMA is an individual, she's not a partylist. Ang nakadaut man gud anang partylist gud kay it strips the individual of thinking for his own self-interest kay i-channel naman ang iyang self-interest to a collective interest which happens to be the interest of those who are controlling the organization no matter how noble it is, it is all about Vanity.

what the F*ck are u talking?? do u know the meaning of REPRESENTATIVE?

REPRESENTATIVE means...

# a person who represents others
# spokesperson: an advocate who represents someone else's policy or purpose; "the meeting was attended by spokespersons for all the major organs of government"
# serving to represent or typify; "representative moviegoers"; "a representative modern play"
# standing for something else; "the bald eagle is representative of the United States"
# congressman: a member of the United States House of Representatives
# being or characteristic of government by representation in which citizens exercise power through elected officers and representatives; "representative government as defined by Abraham Lincoln is government of the people, by the people, for the people" << note: a president is a representative as well..

moving forward...

REPUBLIC ACT No. 7941
Sec. 3. Definition of Terms. - B

# A political party refers to an organized group of citizens advocating an ideology or platform, principles and policies for the general conduct of government and which, as the most immediate means of securing their adoption, regularly nominates and supports certain of its leaders and members as candidates for public office.

cguro bai, mas daghan pa kag kinahanglan mahibaw-an noh i think that answers your argument.... :mrgreen:

[erwin_rommel]

mura ra gud nag si PGMA ang president sa pilipinas, pero di mi ganahan niya na nag represent sa pilipinas.. thumbsup

kasagaran pud sa mga youth kay dili man pud ganahan nga mo represent mo namo kay basin mag horseplaying lang unya mo sa congress. kung ganahan pa mi, gamay ra nang 10% ang inyong makuha kay daghan gud kaayo ang youth karon. mga immature pa kaayo mo unya self proclaimed maayo kaayo pag gyud.
basta ayaw lang mo pang luod ha unya mo apil dayon sa cpp npa kay nah samot mo dili maka enjoy sa inyo life. dont you worry basin in the future matuman inyong mga damgo sa congress pero basin dili na mo youth ana nga time. cheers nalang daan inig abot ana nga time

[The_Child]

cguro bai, mas daghan pa kag kinahanglan mahibaw-an noh i will not refute that, because its true, daghan pa ko kailangan mahibawan.





hint! ang pagtukod sa usa ka union is a COLLECTIVE decision.. dili ra na sa desisyon sa usa ka tao.. ang gilankuban sa usa ka unyon mao ang tanan miyembor o ang mga representante sa mga grupo sa usa ka society, trabaho ug uban pa! so kung an union ang rason tungod nag ka "gubot" sa hacienda luisita, basin ang imu nka storya, dili miyembro sa unyon!!! wahahah.. chaons!!!
AGITPRO, dili na mao amu gamit, basin siguro nagka "gubot" ang nagstorya nimu kay sayop iya pamaagi! wahahah.. chaons na pod!!



this is childish politics, one born out out naivite. pero thats ok. youthful exuberance we all once have that. it grows out by experience.

UNIONs are not localized , they have idealogies, and these idealogies they hope to impose on a work environment. Not all Unions are the same, but most UNions having leftist orienations is merely facade of sorts. If you read Marx, and his disciples, the Communist idealogy is dependent on the mobilization of the work force, or what he called the Proletariat. "Workers of the WOrld UNite' a facmous dictum from Marx. Now, Marx didnt leave any blueprints on how to establish this, so it was left out to his disciples to work out. Most UNION with ties to Socialist and Communist idealogies, infiltrate work environment so that they could impose their ideals in a slow and subtle manner.


In the history of the World, most if not all of the collective espousing collective "rights" always ends up with the greater interest of the few rather than the many. Why? Its like this. One could say, that this is the "badside" of one of the two models of freedom: "Freedom to" or with what Isiah Berlin of Oxford called "Positive Freedom." This idea states that the 'edicated' 'enlighten' people who are more free than those who are not, thus it is but 'noble' for the 'educated' 'enlighten' people to bring into the folds of freedom those who are not considered "educated" In Positive freedom, a person is more free, if he has more knowledge. And taking the idea of the Contract theories, like thomas Hobbes, whereby the creation of an institution was a contract made by certain people to give some of their rights away for a certain group of person or to an individual to 'represent' them in the best way possible.
So generally, the greater whole is putting faith on certain persons to further their self-interest cause. But this would not go well, why? because there is no such thing as a collective right, only individual rights.

Lets contextualized this, to make it more simpler. In the case of Partylist X, who is said to represent the sector Y. Would partylist X represent the sector Y through its majority concern or would it represent all of its individual concern? surely the latter is not feasible, because it is as diverse as the the insect species in the world. So the option taken would be the first one, to represent the majority concern of the sector correct? So what happens to the minority who belongs to Sector? who would hear their voice? noone. they are not represented by the very Partylist that advocates its representation, with the reason that, they cant please everyone so a compromise is made to represent only the majority of that sector. But who constitutes the majority? in the battle of issues, how does one quanitfy the majority? who decides the issue to be talked about? Is it not the 'enlighten' heads of the partylist, who were made to position by contract of the people by majority vote? now, isnt these 'enlighten' heads of the partylist being "contracted" to do their party in representing the sector deemed to "know more" and is given the leeway for the Course of action to be taken? now isnt this leeway enough to deviate the entire partylist to the whims of the few of those in control? This is the motivation of positive freedom, and this paved way for Authoritarian rule, Statism.

-minority is compromised because of the majority rule in a sector. Rhetorically, Why would it be the interest of Rich youths who goes to expensive unversities to dabble with TOFI? but they are still a part of the Youth sector, but why is the concern of the TOFI more significant than their concern or other concern?

- there is no such things as collective 'rights' only individual rights. One of the individual rights that we have is the "Right to Life" and this can be traced back metaphysically, simply that we exist. Collective rights are heralded by pressure groups.

-Democracy, though no how noble it is perceived, is a rule of the mob. no matter how the minority is protected, they are still trampled upon.

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No interest group would survive with out an AgitPro unit.

how many times did that partylist came out in print media by 'chance', or free publicity? more than 40 times, i guess.

If you havent read some newspaper, that partylist was already given the assumption that it would win at least two seats in congress, Isnt that molding public opinion?

and still you claim, that you dont do that. There's nothing bad about it, its politics. its a matter of molding public perspective. Its a battle of Ideas. It is the Survival of the fittest. So no matter how noble the ideals are, its a jungle out there. Eat or be eaten.



but of course i dont know much about it, only perhaps small theories for and against individualism v. the collective. and a little with whats going on the relay of messages. You just have to be critical about it. as for the laws and statutes, i am not very familiar with them, with that i am very sorry.

I never said i was against KABATAAN, i even applauded it. but i just dont believe in it for now.

[astroboyreal]

i respect your idealogy the_child... at last na.a jud koy masabtan dire na thread...