Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[Sinyalan]

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none of the above... he's just human and a religious leader.

Interesting that you mention this. On his early years, the boy jesus was the same as any kid… made mud pigeons alongside the river and Joseph’s friend(?) saw jesus sitting making mud pigeons. The man told joseph that he broke the laws Judaism so he must be punished. Before they pick up jesus, the mud pigeons came alive and flew. That was his first miracle and these two men was stunned. Since jesus knows he has special abilities… he walked the streets of Nazareth like a bully, tossing, baskets, bitting apples without paying and when another kid confronted him that he broke the law of Abraham, he was furious and struck with his power and made the kid cripple. Then, he knows how to take life easily with his power. While he was walking another kid confronted him… the boy jesus was so mad and with his anger, he punched the kid and died instantaneously.

This story was from book of Thomas or the Infancy Gospel of Thomas that was banned from the bible. The only book that deals with young Jesus, it indicates that Jesus was a strong-willed child who one historian describes as "Dennis the Menace". The book reveals that at age five, Jesus may have killed a boy by pushing push him off a roof and then resurrected him. Perhaps too disturbing for inclusion in the Bible. It also written that during his younger years, jesus was struggling kid – he helped his father with his carpentry work. Since then, from 10 years old to 30 years old… he was never to be known where he went and what he was doing. The book of Thomas came in to view (discovered) that jesus never left Nazareth… because as some suggested that he went to seek guidance. There was also a theory that jesus traveled to India and met monks. A French traveler had an accident while ridding a horse and broke his foot. While the monks ways taking care of him… a monk told that there was also a traveler named “ISAH” who also sought understanding and guidance. The traveler translated their documents... the book is now housed at their French Museum. That was another theory that jesus traveled during his lost years. Thomas mentioned that he never left but helped his father (joseph).

Banning the book of Thomas created a controversy among the churches because the life of jesus during early years was never ever mentioned but a small portion of his life. Speculations also that John the Baptist was his friend when they were kids. So, they knew each other before he went to the river baptizing him.

More on it… http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...02079002&EDATE

[brandonfm]

for me.
Jesus Christ is my Savior and is God... and is for you too, it is a matter of decision whether you accept him or not

one of many proofs of this would be on a simple argument.
this is not mine but is of one of the most solid evidences I have come to believe,
from one of the most prolific Christian Writers and Apologetics…
I hope the name rings a bell. C.S. Lewis

excerpt from one of his books, which for me is not a book that preaches or converts anyone to Christianity but explains and defends the belief that has been common to nearly all Christians at all times, gives a solid evidence of Christianity… but no, not of a specific denomination but for Christians in Christianity as a whole.

Here it is:

“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
(Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis 1952, pp. 43)

Now, C.S. Lewis’ argument is very true and is, more importantly logical (for the skeptics... no offense intended)
Either:
1. Jesus was telling falsehoods and knew it, and so he was a liar.
2. Jesus was telling falsehoods but believed he was telling the truth, and so he was insane.
3. Jesus was telling the truth, and so he was divine.

Jesus claimed only divinity. He never did such claim as to him being a Prophet, Moral Teacher
or a Wise Man... this is true to whatever reference you look into.. may it be bible... history books.. accounts... etc...
this was his only claim.

Now the option left for us is to believe what he claimed.

The decision is totally up to you, which I can say, is one of the best gifts God has given to man.
Free will.

Salamat.

[brandonfm]

for me.
Jesus Christ is my Savior and is God... and is for you too, it is a matter of decision whether you accept him or not

one of many proofs of this would be on a simple argument.
this is not mine but is of one of the most solid evidences I have come to believe,
from one of the most prolific Christian Writers and Apologetics…
I hope the name rings a bell. C.S. Lewis

excerpt from one of his books, which for me is not a book that preaches or converts anyone to Christianity but explains and defends the belief that has been common to nearly all Christians at all times, gives a solid evidence of Christianity… but no, not of a specific denomination but for Christians in Christianity as a whole.

Here it is:

“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
(Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis 1952, pp. 43)

Now, C.S. Lewis’ argument is very true and is more importantly logical (for the skeptics... no offense intended)
Either:
1. Jesus was telling falsehoods and knew it, and so he was a liar.
2. Jesus was telling falsehoods but believed he was telling the truth, and so he was insane.
3. Jesus was telling the truth, and so he was divine.

Jesus claimed only divinity. He never did such claim as to him being a Prophet, Moral Teacher
or a Wise Man.

Now the option left for us is whether to believe what he claimed.

The decision is totally up to you, which I can say, is one of the best gifts God has given to man.
Free will.

Salamat.

[silverhawk]

I know this is a big deal for discussion. I think the problem especially by Christians is the assumption that.....

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[diem]

[b]^^LOL. Can we prove Jesus was a carpenter, first?

[rcruman]

Is magic for real?

What Christ did is for real, not illusion.

[b]^^LOL. Can we prove Jesus was a carpenter, first?

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
Mark 6:3.

Peace!

[diem]

^^ I meant could we please have physical evidence of Jesus' carpentry?! Surely there should be a house or even some furniture that Jesus worked on?

After all, its been declared that he was in his 30's when he began his Ministry... so from since he was born until that time he must have worked on a lot of carpentry projects eh?

Peace!

[Oakboy]

^^ I meant could we please have physical evidence of Jesus' carpentry?! Surely there should be a house or even some furniture that Jesus worked on?

After all, its been declared that he was in his 30's when he began his Ministry... so from since he was born until that time he must have worked on a lot of carpentry projects eh?

Peace!

lost years of Jesus as St. Issa <------- kamo na bahala mo judge it's up to you to believe or not
http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm

[Sinyalan]

What I read some few articles about Jesus' early stage... he was performing "magic" as the Rabbinical accounts and few Judean Priests. He created clay pigeons when he was a kid and came to life and Joseph (his father) saw it along with his neighbor by the river. In their time, anything that is unusual and not of human works, was called magic... as later defined as Miracles by the catholic church. But proving as Jesus' as a carpenter, I don't there were any proof or wirtten accounts of his own handds making any woodwork. All that we know of was he helped but that he performs sawing, hammering, gluing and assembled any finished materials. In fact, few of them lived in a grandeous houses -- what do you call those houses that are made out of sand? I can't remember what is term for that...

OT: If Jesus is alive today... and performs those things that he did in the early times... he would be called magician.

[burn_my_eyes]

Jesus Christ the lost years....

i believe he was in atlantis mastering his magic skills