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    Quote Originally Posted by AristoteliCum View Post
    For me God is Just an instrument, it is made by man. sorry ug ma offend ang mga RC dri. yes I am a roman catholic pero nag doubt ko dugay na. Wa mn pud koy gipangayu niya nga naka disappoint nako (unhan lng tamo basin mao ni inyung pag to-o nako) yes I doubted him and now I dont believe in what you call God almighty. For me prayers makes you stronger in a way you use God, because "almost all of you here" has true faith in him and believe that he is there. You dont see him, you feel him, because? you have faith in him. I dont see him, I dont believe him because? I dont have faith in him. We live with our families, there's no doubt about it, If you will just do things in any righteous manner then you will fullfill and fullfill things easily. for me it is all about our actions, work and work things out do your best and you will be happy without God. And as I grow up bisan unsa pa nako ug pangadyi di gyud ko ka feel ug presence niya. hahaha Change what you cannot accept and accept what you cannot change. If every na tinuod man ang ginoo well then Ill go to hell and if wala mn... awh ok ra... (And lastly ayaw ko pilosopuha nga nganong di nlg ko mu tuo ug ginoo nga wa may mawagtang nako) please respect
    of course bro we would respect your views...tao ra bya pud mi...ang Ginoo gani girespeto imung desisyon nga di mutoo sa iya...
    i hope you woudn't mind if i ask, ok ra pud if di nimu tubagon..hehehe
    since you don't believe in God, i assume that you would rather go with what is logical diba?

    Given that no one alive today knows if God does or Doesn't exist..and that both camps can present solid proofs in any form of their claims
    which do you think is more logical "If every na tinuod man ang ginoo well then Ill go to hell and if wala mn... awh ok ra... "(your statement)
    or i would rather believe in God then realize that He doesn't exist at all than to not believe in Him and find out that He does..

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    to know if your prayer is answered... look around you. may be sige lang ask for signs... mao ni sakit sa uban.

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    tan-aw lang mo ug Bruce Almighty nga movie...then you'd know why God doesn't say YES to all our petitions...

  4. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Did you ever talked to God and Asked Him to reveal Himself to you. I respect your belief, but i suggest to sincerely ask God to make you feel him, just challenge God. If you really meant it in your heart that you want him, i believe he will answer you.

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    asa man natu na mabasa bro?
    "Did you ever talked to God and Asked Him to reveal Himself to you." yes I did that, He didnt show up in my mind and in my heart.
    What you ask shortly is,do you have faith in him? right? and why would I want him I dont need him. Im sorry to be demeaning but In a practical manner praying is just a waste of time, yes it enlightens you and its a fact, But if you could just consider what I mean and seeing the flaws of what I want to express.
    Did he reveal himself to you bro? I respect your belief.

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    in my case why would I waste my time thinking of him? praising. It is my decision not to believe him. Of course "i would rather believe in God then realize that He doesn't exist at all than" is logical mura ra gyud ka nga ni ingun nako bro nga dapat nlg unta mo to-o kos gino-o kay para way mahay... yes your god helps you be motivated emotional and spiritualy, Do your God help you physically? if yes what were the cases aside from mental significance of believing. lastly If i may add we are alone in this world it is only us who can help ourselves live in this life we have. work and work things out just like being in a relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AristoteliCum View Post
    in my case why would I waste my time thinking of him? praising. It is my decision not to believe him. Of course "i would rather believe in God then realize that He doesn't exist at all than" is logical mura ra gyud ka nga ni ingun nako bro nga dapat nlg unta mo to-o kos gino-o kay para way mahay... yes your god helps you be motivated emotional and spiritualy, Do your God help you physically? if yes what were the cases aside from mental significance of believing. lastly If i may add we are alone in this world it is only us who can help ourselves live in this life we have. work and work things out just like being in a relationship.
    therefore you agreed that it is more logical to believe in God then later find out that He's not real than to not believe then later find out that He is...
    then why would you settle for something that is less logical? diba as rational beings we are to settle with what we consider is best for us?
    diba mao muwork ta to provide for our needs...diba when we make huge decisions we would always go with what is REASONABLE and LOGICAL?so why are we doing otherwise now?

    i mean YES, you can question God's existence all you want But we can both agree that the chances of your belief in his inexistence to be correct is just about of the same percentage that your belief could be wrong...
    doing an extra mile about being open to possiblities woudn't hurt i guess...unless you have a personal grudge on God..hehehe
    like some people who claim to be Atheists pero ang tinuod kay nahiubos ra diay to sa Ginoo..hehe

    'cause you see Throwing God away would not really be the ideal risk to take even for the greatest risk takers in this lifetime...
    'cause the loss would be eternity, granting that God, heaven and Hell are for real...diba? isn't that a logical wager?

    is it safe to conclude that you are just merely relying on your personal view about God's existence?
    of which you THINK that he MIGHT not exist and that HEAVEN and HELL might just be superstition nothing more...
    then if you are not ENTIRELY sure about your conviction then why conclude ABSOLUTES on this matter?
    with your statement "lastly If i may add we are alone in this world it is only us who can help ourselves live in this life we have. work and work things out just like being in a relationship" aren't we concluding absolutes on this one? well if you'd say that this is just your opinion and all, then there's nothing to talk about..

    you may have proofs on your own that God does not exist well i have proofs on my own that He does...
    how will you reconcile with that FACT if you're gonna start concluding absolutes?...
    and YES, God has helped me Physically...ALL the Time...through the air that i breathe, even just as simple as the sunrise,giving me a new day to rise again...through everything else...
    are we really able to pull things through on our own? what if wala nang mga friends nato? what if wala atong family nga maoy nag hatag nato ug inspiration? what if wala tay talent and capabilities nga makahatag nato ug livelihood?
    what if wala tay intelligence to figure things out?what if wala ang nature where we benefit the most?
    what if wala ang blessings in disguise, then our mistakes through poor decision making would have been purely mistakes ra jud..period?... kinsa may nagbutang ana tanan sa atong kinabuhi brader? are we really ALONE?
    well that's just how i see it...and yes, i could be wrong...LOL

    even the greatest minds of the Scientific Community is FAR from being able to grasp what the FIRST CAUSE that created the universe...
    Life and everything else under the Sun.


    i think the most suitable question for you is "what if you're wrong? "

    this is just a discussion brader ha...nothing personal. hehe
    Last edited by noy; 06-12-2013 at 12:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    therefore you agreed that it is more logical to believe in God then later find out that He's not real than to not believe then later find out that He is...
    then why would you settle for something that is less logical? diba as rational beings we are to settle with what we consider is best for us?
    diba mao muwork ta to provide for our needs...diba when we make huge decisions we would always go with what is REASONABLE and LOGICAL?so why are we doing otherwise now?

    i mean YES, you can question God's existence all you want But we can both agree that the chances of your belief in his inexistence to be correct is just about of the same percentage that your belief could be wrong...
    doing an extra mile about being open to possiblities woudn't hurt i guess...unless you have a personal grudge on God..hehehe
    like some people who claim to be Atheists pero ang tinuod kay nahiubos ra diay to sa Ginoo..hehe

    'cause you see Throwing God away would not really be the ideal risk to take even for the greatest risk takers in this lifetime...
    'cause the loss would be eternity, granting that God, heaven and Hell are for real...diba? isn't that a logical wager?

    is it safe to conclude that you are just merely relying on your personal view about God's existence?
    of which you THINK that he MIGHT not exist and that HEAVEN and HELL might just be superstition nothing more...
    then if you are not ENTIRELY sure about your conviction then why conclude ABSOLUTES on this matter?
    with your statement "lastly If i may add we are alone in this world it is only us who can help ourselves live in this life we have. work and work things out just like being in a relationship" aren't we concluding absolutes on this one? well if you'd say that this is just your opinion and all, then there's nothing to talk about..

    you may have proofs on your own that God does not exist well i have proofs on my own that He does...
    how will you reconcile with that FACT if you're gonna start concluding absolutes?...
    and YES, God has helped me Physically...ALL the Time...through the air that i breathe, even just as simple as the sunrise,giving me a new day to rise again...through everything else...
    are we really able to pull things through on our own? what if wala nang mga friends nato? what if wala atong family nga maoy nag hatag nato ug inspiration? what if wala tay talent and capabilities nga makahatag nato ug livelihood?
    what if wala tay intelligence to figure things out?what if wala ang nature where we benefit the most?
    what if wala ang blessings in disguise, then our mistakes through poor decision making would have been purely mistakes ra jud..period?... kinsa may nagbutang ana tanan sa atong kinabuhi brader? are we really ALONE?
    well that's just how i see it...and yes, i could be wrong...LOL

    even the greatest minds of the Scientific Community is FAR from being able to grasp what the FIRST CAUSE that created the universe...
    Life and everything else under the Sun.


    i think the most suitable question for you is "what if you're wrong? "

    this is just a discussion brader ha...nothing personal. hehe

    Bro you quote me first, I think you didnt understand my point, yes Id go less logical, why? simple because I dont believe in his existence. Why would you go far ,overthink and react, it doesnt mean that we are rational beings we need to go for nothing less. of course there are times you need to be less to be good. and in believing there is no right or wrong, more or less. right?

    You quote that "diba when we make huge decisions we would always go with what is REASONABLE and LOGICAL?" so since you were young you made a huge decision in believing God? naa nakay kalibutan ana bro? or sge lng gyud ka kuyug sa imong parents ug simba...yes bro our faith is practiced, I question now your faith for labeling it as a decision.
    prove it.
    And who created universe? that is a complex question.

    you qouted; i think the most suitable question for you is "what if you're wrong? " please comprehend what i reply kapoy na sig balik ug tubag sa same thought

    peace bro.

  8. #118

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    OT naman mo...dili man ni THeist & Atheist thread

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    maybe dli angay para nato...only He knows what's d best & plan for us...

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    God is preparing something better for me, and when that time comes I'd surely be happier.

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