Why prayers are sometimes unanswered?

[kageron]

your prayers are answered but some of the the answer is "NO"

[Bears Grill]

There are three possibilities:

1) He does not exist

2) He exists but doesn't give a sh*t

3) He exists and He has a divine plan. If you're asking something from Him that's not part of His plan, then you're asking Him to change His mind; in which case you're implying you know better. If you're asking something from Him that's already part of His plan, then you're nagging about something He's already committed to do. In both cases, you're annoying Him.

Go live your life to your fullest potential. Work hard and do not be superstitious and fatalistic like most of these Holier-than-thou characters in Istorya. If there's a God, He may want you to live as though He wasn't there.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

There are three possibilities:

1) He does not exist

2) He exists but doesn't give a sh*t

3) He exists and He has a divine plan. If you're asking something from Him that's not part of His plan, then you're asking Him to change His mind; in which case you're implying you know better. If you're asking something from Him that's already part of His plan, then you're nagging about something He's already committed to do. In both cases, you're annoying Him.

Go live your life to your fullest potential. Work hard and do not be superstitious and fatalistic like most of these Holier-than-thou characters in Istorya. If there's a God, He may want you to live as though He wasn't there.

In your case , you are number 1 . That is a definite .

But you made it sound like you are God Himself for you displayed ABSOLUTES in " possibility # 3 " .

So which is which in your case ?

[Bears Grill]

In your case , you are number 1 . That is a definite .

So which is which in your case ?

That's odd. You "definitely" know I'm number 1 and yet you ask which case applies to me. In the old Jesuit training scheme, they usually have their pupils learn how to hold two opposing ideas in their heads at the same time, to counter those "d-a-m-n-e-d Protestants". They really mastered the art of getting away with explaining themselves without actually explaining themselves...by using magic words like "transcend" and "mystery".

But you made it sound like you are God Himself for you displayed ABSOLUTES in " possibility # 3 " .

What about possibility #3 that makes it sound absolute to you? Please explain.

Is it because there are more possibilities than what I have laid out? If so, I didn't say I wouldn't welcome additions.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

That's odd. You "definitely" know I'm number 1 and yet you ask which case applies to me. In the old Jesuit training scheme, they usually have their pupils learn how to hold two opposing ideas in their heads at the same time, to counter those "d-a-m-n-e-d Protestants". They really mastered the art of getting away with explaining themselves without actually explaining themselves...by using magic words like "transcend" and "mystery".

You displayed it here numerous times on all over the discussions and threads about GOD on being someone who does not at all give a damn . If that is not a definite then indeed it is really odd .

What MAKES it more ODD , you again displayed ABSOLUTES which was rooted only from personal opinions yet you do not believe God or for that matter a god at all. Dont you think it would LEAD to MISLEAD ?

What about possibility #3 that makes it sound absolute to you? Please explain.

No , it would be better if you explain this . How did you know all of these statements ?

He exists and He has a divine plan. If you're asking something from Him that's not part of His plan, then you're asking Him to change His mind; in which case you're implying you know better. If you're asking something from Him that's already part of His plan, then you're nagging about something He's already committed to do. In both cases, you're annoying Him.

Is it because there are more possibilities than what I have laid out? If so, I didn't say I wouldn't welcome additions.

I would not know , I dont display ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS and I am not GOD .

[Bears Grill]

You displayed it here numerous times on all over the discussions and threads about GOD on being someone who does not at all give a damn . If that is not a definite then indeed it is really odd .

My conception of a God is a Deistic God, a God who does not intervene in human affairs...the same God Einstein believed in. But I do not believe in the arguments that people have laid out for God's existence. I think, in that sense, you'd call me an atheist. But really, I just find the way religious people talk about God inconsistent with the nature of a Perfect Being. I'm not attacking the religious. I'm just disagreeing with them.

What MAKES it more ODD , you again displayed ABSOLUTES which was rooted only from personal opinions yet you do not believe God or for that matter a god at all. Dont you think it would LEAD to MISLEAD ?

I don't understand where you're coming from with this "displaying of absolutes" on my part. Of course, it's my opinion. You have to state which statement I've said is wrong (or you disagree with) and why. In that way, we can have a chance to sort things out. Right?

No , it would be better if you explain this . How did you know all of these statements ?

He exists and He has a divine plan. If you're asking something from Him that's not part of His plan, then you're asking Him to change His mind; in which case you're implying you know better. If you're asking something from Him that's already part of His plan, then you're nagging about something He's already committed to do. In both cases, you're annoying Him.

From what I understand, Theists in general (not just Catholics) believe that God has a Divine Plan. If there's any change in that dogma, that would be big news.

Think about the thread-starter's question: Why are prayers sometimes un-answered? That makes prayer a request to God to do something, right? But remember the "Divine Plan". In God's perfect wisdom, He had predetermined all the events that will unfold in the future. What is He to do with prayers? If the request was not part of God's plan, is the requester suggesting he knows better and would like God to change His mind? If yes, then the requester is implying he knows better. If the request, on the other hand, was part of God's plan, then the requester is simply nagging God to do what He's already committed to do. In that case, isn't the requester being annoying?

If my statement about why the concept of a prayer request is inconsistent with the concept of a Divine Plan is disagreeable to you, then pray tell what your counter-statement is.

I would not know , I dont display ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS and I am not GOD .

Neither am I.

* @Spring, if there's things I've said in the past (or present) which merit penalty or rebuke from you, it's only fair that I know my alleged transgressions and the exact statement(s) from which the transgressions were deemed.

I just want some clarifications on the forum rules. Does it forbid criticism of religion or expressions of disbelief? If that's the case, I understand your policing actions and will refrain from such postings from hereon in.

Thanks...and Peace.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Bears ... you do have good inputs now . I will be back on this since i am on the go hahaha . Nothing personal here , just thoughts .

[jessieventura]

how about God is somewhere in the universe creating other galaxies.
That is why he left us with physical laws.
so we could live and learn without him.

do your father and mother stay inside your class when you go to school?

you prayers are not answered because it doesnt work that way.

if prayers get answered --
and man will stop working and he just start praying.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

My conception of a God is a Deistic God, a God who does not intervene in human affairs...the same God Einstein believed in. But I do not believe in the arguments that people have laid out for God's existence. I think, in that sense, you'd call me an atheist. But really, I just find the way religious people talk about God inconsistent with the nature of a Perfect Being. I'm not attacking the religious. I'm just disagreeing with them.

I did see you as an atheist but then , it would contradict now since you implied on believing a Supreme Being through conceptualizing it rather than not acknowledging it . The latter makes you one in the truest sense . Arguments within the religious and God being not so perfect and etc is in a different league of what has being tackled now.For us, God intervenes unless you are referring to the purpose of what is FREEWILL I do want to emphasized though that if we gather our basis from it , then indeed it would be a not so perfect God hence the thread title courtesy of different point of views .

Let me ask you one more time for clarification , is your CONCEPTION of a GOD a form of your own understanding or is it what you thought of what GOD should be ? Do you recognize the QUALITIES of GOD or you dont ACKNOWLEDGE it at all ?

I don't understand where you're coming from with this "displaying of absolutes" on my part. Of course, it's my opinion. You have to state which statement I've said is wrong (or you disagree with) and why. In that way, we can have a chance to sort things out. Right?

It would be ridiculous for someone to say something about a god and that person is a self proclaimed ATHEIST . Not that its a bad thing nor a good thing , it just contradicts and what makes it more odd , the entire statement carries no validity yet it was displayed without flaws . Not that I stopped you from expressing it but its also rightful to label it as an absolute on your part. Why ? Because you stood firm on proclaiming it. That would be the irony of ironies.

I did shows you the statements ( the highlighted red statement ).

From what I understand, Theists in general (not just Catholics) believe that God has a Divine Plan. If there's any change in that dogma, that would be big news.

Think about the thread-starter's question: Why are prayers sometimes un-answered? That makes prayer a request to God to do something, right? But remember the "Divine Plan". In God's perfect wisdom, He had predetermined all the events that will unfold in the future. What is He to do with prayers? If the request was not part of God's plan, is the requester suggesting he knows better and would like God to change His mind? If yes, then the requester is implying he knows better. If the request, on the other hand, was part of God's plan, then the requester is simply nagging God to do what He's already committed to do. In that case, isn't the requester being annoying?

Mao lage ni . This is the MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION hehehe . How did you know all of these ? Specially coming from you ? At least a waiver could be displayed and that is the basis why butted in . That is also the reason why I said YOU HAVE GOOD INPUTS NOW . Try to compare your very first statement and now , dako ang kalahian . At first , you are displaying ABSOLUTES like God talked to you and wants you tell us whats up, then karon you are displaying it but reminding us that this is "From what I understand" . The latter makes more sense specially coming from an ATHEIST . PLease do correct me if you are not kay all the while I have been labeling you as one based from previous interactions.

If my statement about why the concept of a prayer request is inconsistent with the concept of a Divine Plan is disagreeable to you, then pray tell what your counter-statement is.

This is not what I disagree about , I did not at all disagree with you , I merely questioned your position why you have those statements and what is the validity of it.

From where I come from , we believed in FREEWILL , from what you are trying to point out , you are implying now about FATE and DESTINY masked as the " DIVINE PLAN " which is entirely against what Christians believed in. I said Christians rather than theist because HINDUISM believes in Karma and REINCARNATION.

Neither am I.

I know you are not , nobody is. I am just trying to mess around because for me , it seems you are trying to sound like one . Pero para nako ra na ha.

* @Spring, if there's things I've said in the past (or present) which merit penalty or rebuke from you, it's only fair that I know my alleged transgressions and the exact statement(s) from which the transgressions were deemed.

I just want some clarifications on the forum rules. Does it forbid criticism of religion or expressions of disbelief? If that's the case, I understand your policing actions and will refrain from such postings from hereon in.

Thanks...and Peace.

No nothing at all . You are good , you are intelligent and smart. This is only between your ideas and mine . Purely discussions lang ta diri sir.

[lhorenzoo]

​nasa dyos ang awa nasa tao ang gawa .