Philippine Coast Guard Shoot down Taiwanese Illegal Poachers

[tarantado07]

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Haha! nanu kaha si Kris Aquino jud?

[<SMILE>]

OT: hilig ra ba pud tingale na sila ug aphrodisiac.

[Passport]

Saw this at fb:

To the Taiwanese people, please don't take out your frustrations on innocent people just because they happen to share the same citizenship as those people and institutions that you're angry at.

Its downright barbaric.

For all you know, those people you're hurting may themselves also have grievances against those you are hating.

by Atty Brady de Castro

[bleedingboi]

Miriam should stfu. she is making our country look crazy by running her mouth like a raving lunatic.

she's actually comparing repatriation to the holocaust? god help the philippines if this crazy bitch is what many consider the cream of the crop. she's completely out of her damned mind!

I'm not a Miriam fan, but I'm proud she knows what's happening, she stood her ground and bashed Taiwan's President for attempting to "freeze OFW applications " to gain popularity.


Unlike other RP politicians, pointing fingers nasad on who will solve the issue.

These foreigners entered our waters, they took our fish, and now they're harassing our people. WE need a spine made of steel. WE stand our ground.

[monroy]

I'm not a Miriam fan, but I'm proud she knows what's happening, she stood her ground and bashed Taiwan's President for attempting to "freeze OFW applications " to gain popularity.


Unlike other RP politicians, pointing fingers nasad on who will solve the issue.

These foreigners entered our waters, they took our fish, and now they're harassing our people. WE need a spine made of steel. WE stand our ground.

She's a politician with rat cunning and knows how to milk this issue for what its worth. She doesn't give a damn about this country, she is an egotistical self-centered maniac who finds pleasure in the sound of her own voice . It is not the job of a Senator who sits in the Foreign Relations committee to bash a foreign head of state. The government is trying to smooth relations and engage Taiwan in dialogue, and here comes a crazy Senator spouting nonsense. You say the Taiwanese President is doing things to gain popularity? Then what do you think Miriam is doing? You really believe she's doing it because she cares about OFWs in Taiwan? If people like her really cared about the OFWs then they would all resign from the Senate because it is they who create the conditions that make OFWs leave the country in the first place. It's people like her, the parasites in government, who are paid hundreds of millions in pork barrel with very little to show for it, that make our country weak and an easy target for bigger countries to pick on.

[bleedingboi]

She's a politician and knows how to milk this issue for what its worth. If you really think she cares about this country, then you need to think again. It is not the job of a Senator who sits in the Foreign Relations committee to bash a foreign head of state. It's no wonder other countries in the region laugh at us. Our politicians are either *****s or crazy....

Well, as far as her credentials go, she's a Judge-elect of the International Criminal Court, which I believe qualifies her enough to speak about this International Dispute. More than qualified than any other politician here in the country. Not any Cabinet member, not Pnoy, or even Kris Aquino.

She can be forgiven for mistaking herself a genius because if her base of comparison are her compatriots in the Senate, which is filled with utter *****s, then it's not a very high bar to surmount. Let's not forget that it is people like her, politicians who suck the blood of this country like the parasites that they are, who make it easy for other countries to pick on us.

I'm not really sure if these statements are contributing anything informative to this thread. Or if it's a quintessential of your personal hatred for one senator implies your braincells to jot these comments.

[monroy]

Well, as far as her credentials go, she's a Judge-elect of the International Criminal Court, which I believe qualifies her enough to speak about this International Dispute. More than qualified than any other politician here in the country. Not any Cabinet member, not Pnoy, or even Kris Aquino.

Being judge-elect of the ICC doesn't make a person immune from making incorrect statements. Besides, Taiwan isn't under the jurisdiction of the ICC and Miriam, despite being elected into the ICC, has not been formally invited to sit in it for over a year since her election. This could be a nice way of saying they made a mistake appointing her.

I'm not really sure if these statements are contributing anything informative to this thread. Or if it's a quintessential of your personal hatred for one senator implies your braincells to jot these comments.

True, I hate this Senator with a passion. I wouldn't comment on her intelligence if she didn't open her mouth. Anyway enough of this crap Senator, she's irrelevant to the dispute and doesn't even register in the minds of the Taiwanese. She was playing to a domestic audience and already scored her political points with the easily impressed.

[bleedingboi]

Being judge-elect of the ICC doesn't make a person immune from making incorrect statements. Besides, Taiwan isn't under the jurisdiction of the ICC and Miriam, despite being elected into the ICC, has not been formally invited to sit in it for over a year since her election. This could be a nice way of saying they made a mistake appointing her.



True, I hate this Senator with a passion. I wouldn't comment on her intelligence if she didn't make a point of trying to impress voters with the apparent appearance of it. Anyway enough of this crap Senator, she's irrelevant to the dispute and doesn't even register in the minds of the Taiwanese. She was playing to a domestic audience and already scored her political points with the easily impressed.

I wanted to to agree with you in several matters. But the Senator does have a point.

Any foreign state or faction cannot intrude and organize a unilateral investigation without the consent of the sovereign host state on where the events occured. An agreement must be met to conduct all reports bilaterally.

Taiwan entered our territory WITHOUT AGREEMENT, their officials conducted a unilateral investigation and again WITHOUT INVITATION, and also brought Taiwanese media, WITHOUT PERMISSION from our officials.

This is an utter sign of disrespect to our sovereignty and to the International Laws on offshore investigations.

This rippling effect boils down to one end, our OFWs will suffer. Their media overexaggerated this tragedy, which should of course be controlled by their leaders.

If the tragedy overexaggerates, public outcry manifests.

If public outcry manifests, hatred and discrimination happens

With hatred and discrimination, our people suffer.

[monroy]

I wanted to to agree with you in several matters. But the Senator does have a point.

Any foreign state or faction cannot intrude and organize a unilateral investigation without the consent of the sovereign host state on where the events occured. An agreement must be met to conduct all reports bilaterally.

That wasn't my criticism of her statements though. My criticism is the totally unnecessary statements regarding Taiwan being a mere province of China (an assertion that will piss off the Taiwanese who believe they are an independent nation) and any repatriation being equivalent to the holocaust (a crass exaggeration that is insulting to both the Jews, who suffered actual Holocaust, and the Taiwanese, who never planned any such repatriation).

Taiwan entered our territory WITHOUT AGREEMENT, their officials conducted a unilateral investigation and again WITHOUT INVITATION, and also brought Taiwanese media, WITHOUT PERMISSION from our officials.

This is now a moot point as the government has now agreed to run a joint investigation with Taiwan authorities.

This is an utter sign of disrespect to our sovereignty and to the International Laws on offshore investigations.

This rippling effect boils down to one end, our OFWs will suffer. Their media overexaggerated this tragedy, which should of course be controlled by their leaders.

If the tragedy overexaggerates, public outcry manifests.

If public outcry manifests, hatred and discrimination happens

With hatred and discrimination, our people suffer.

I'm not familiar with international laws on offshore investigations, so I can't comment on that. But I think it's highly irresponsible for any person to make inflammatory statements that harm government efforts to achieve a workable resolution just to score political points. If you blast the Taiwanese President for exploiting the situation for political gain, then you should also criticize the Senator for doing the same here. The bottomline is that there was no need for her to comment on the situation at all, but she did because she saw it as a political opportunity.

Regarding the media, isn't it their job to exaggerate and sensationalize issues? In that sense there isn't much difference between their media and ours. I mean they do practice freedom of the press after all, being a democracy and not a province of China, as Miriam implied.

[monroy]

From the Taipei Times:

The ugly features of nationalist sentiment
By Jiang Ho-ching 江河清

Almost two weeks ago, Philippine Coast Guard personnel strafed a Taiwanese vessel fishing for bluefin tuna with machine gun fire after it had crossed into disputed waters, killing Taiwanese fisherman Hung Shih-cheng (洪石成).

Political talk show hosts have been so angry that they have resorted to foul language, while pundits have called for military forces to be deployed to the area to fight. The government set a deadline for an apology from the Philippine government and imposed a freeze on the hiring of Filipino workers.

Fired up by all this hate speech, some markets and shops have put up signs stating that Filipinos will not be served, and there have been reports of people spitting at Filipinos, cursing them and even resorting to violence. People from the pan-blue and pan-green camps have set aside differences, banding together to take aim at the Philippines and appeal to national sentiment.

The most important aspect of nationalism is to set boundaries, draw a line to separate friends from foe, and think of the two sides as inherently complete and internally homogeneous communities, while at the same time ignoring the similarities between the two sides and their internal differences and contradictions. As a result, we have forgotten that the Filipino workers in Taiwan are not the Philippine coast guard personnel that opened fire, or the Philippine government, just as not every Taiwanese supports the policies of their government.

We also seems to have forgotten that Taiwan and the Philippines are very similar: Both countries have corrupt governments, a huge wealth gap and working conditions that force their citizens to find work abroad.

There is also a lot of similarity between Taiwanese fishermen and Filipino migrant workers. To be able to catch the highly prized bluefin tuna, Taiwanese fishermen risk crossing the nation’s fishing boundaries and being attacked by the Philippine Coast Guard. Filipinos travel to other countries to make money and be able to care for their families back home, despite having to live with racial prejudice and exploitation. National borders are both absurd and violent, and fishermen and migrant workers crossing these borders are all people leading hard lives.

Nationalism has the force to unite all Taiwanese, as if uniting in anger against an outside enemy is all that is needed to put all domestic troubles aside and let the president go on as before regardless of how low his approval rating is. Therefore, it is okay to tear down the Huaguang Community (華光社區) in Taipei, the controversial Miramar Resort Hotel in Taitung County can open its doors and maybe the operations of Yoho Beach Resort in Kenting could also be deemed legal.

Why not also let the construction of the Fourth Nuclear Power Plant in Gongliao District (貢寮), New Taipei City (新北市), continue, let the government’s proposal for a nuclear referendum pass the third reading and let the Council of Labor Affairs bring laid-off workers to court and force them to repay loans given years ago?

In the end, those pundits, talk show hosts and politicians who are spoiling for a fight will still be visiting those upscale restaurants where they can continue eating bluefin tuna. Who cares how hard someone had to work for them to be able to put that slice of raw tuna on their plates, or about the ecological cost? And who cares about those foreign workers who have to suffer prejudice, exploitation or violence at work, markets or when shopping? One can only wonder who stands to gain from this kind of nationalism.