Shroud of Turin Exposed

[kenites]

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Again, don't just point your finger on video's from YouTube.
Based from the videos, I need your statement on which you stand.

If you neglect the Carbon Dating result, then we are on the same track.

Or it just means nga this is just a cloth wrapped on uncertain dead body?
Possible, but the crucified criminals will just be thrown in the pit by Roman executioners, they were not given a rightful burial.
The account of Jesus' death said that when Jesus' body was put down, Joseph of Arimathea(a respectful person) requested that he will bring the body and put it on a rightful burial.

The Vatican have not yet given conclusion on this.
But if it is proven that it is an imprint of a dead man's blood from 100BC, then we are already close to reality.
Still a long way to go.. But I'm hoping that it is indeed Jesus' burial cloth.

Hmm..Why can't I use the video? while you're posting a video link here..
IMHO, based on that video they are showing methods on how to create the image in the shroud.
Though they have a different method but still they are able to duplicate the image in that shroud.
Isn't it a possibility that one of this method was used to fake the shroud? It is not much of an evidence but then what is the evidence for its authenticity then?

Yah ignore nalang nato ang carbon dating since wala man sad sila nagbuhat ug lain test to prove that the linen was from the 1st century. Or naa ba?

I think it's clear enough where I stand. I don't believe in the authenticity of the Turin Shroud. By authenticity I mean nga this is the real linen cloth that was used to wrap the body of jesus.

As for me, I still believe in the authenticity of The Shroud.
All accussations claiming it a hoax have all been answered.

The only crown jewel skeptics hold is the 1988 carbon dating result.
This result was rejected by most researchers since the samples taken were not from the original cloth
but on the patched part.

Ask sa ko sa imo para maklaro pud nako where you stand.
You said you believe in the authenticity of The shroud..what's your bases then?
Since all the hoax claims has all been answered doesn't mean that the shroud is authentic.
This is a fallacy of negation or false dilemma
"since I'm wrong, then your correct"
What do you think?

Ikaw man mismo nag ingon nga bisan ang Vatican wala naghatag pa ug conclusion
and base sa imo statement bisan ikaw dili sure coz you're also hoping that this cloth is for real.
Yet you believe in its authenticity..
Paki klaro lang pud

[luannapie]

as in naunsa namn mo oi dghan mg pwede problemahon sa kalibutan ang shroud of turin jud inyong gi monitor. hehehhehe! its so funny ga lalis mo ana. mao jud ni giingon nga too much knowledge is dangerous and when you lose faith you begin to question.

anyways, good luck sa inyong quest. ma answer rapud na tanan ig kamatay atong mga questions dres kalibutang ig kamatay nato. hihhih!

wala lng nalingaw lng kos inyong argument.

[redhorse1L]

as in naunsa namn mo oi dghan mg pwede problemahon sa kalibutan ang shroud of turin jud inyong gi monitor. hehehhehe! its so funny ga lalis mo ana. mao jud ni giingon nga too much knowledge is dangerous and when you lose faith you begin to question.

anyways, good luck sa inyong quest. ma answer rapud na tanan ig kamatay atong mga questions dres kalibutang ig kamatay nato. hihhih!

wala lng nalingaw lng kos inyong argument.

Hi luannapie, we are not arguing senseless issues here.
We are talking about the greatest artifact the Christian Religion could ever have.

Besides dili man sad mi pareha anang mag-debate nga mag-sinumbagay na inig human.
Nindot man gali mag-inom mi ani (red horse, of course.. hehe) kung maka-lugar ug kita.

That's how professional we are in the quest for truth.

Why do we have to wait for our death when we can find the answers while we are still alive?

[redhorse1L]

Hmm..Why can't I use the video? while you're posting a video link here..
IMHO, based on that video they are showing methods on how to create the image in the shroud.
Though they have a different method but still they are able to duplicate the image in that shroud.
Isn't it a possibility that one of this method was used to fake the shroud? It is not much of an evidence but then what is the evidence for its authenticity then?

Yah ignore nalang nato ang carbon dating since wala man sad sila nagbuhat ug lain test to prove that the linen was from the 1st century. Or naa ba?

I think it's clear enough where I stand. I don't believe in the authenticity of the Turin Shroud. By authenticity I mean nga this is the real linen cloth that was used to wrap the body of jesus.



Ask sa ko sa imo para maklaro pud nako where you stand.
You said you believe in the authenticity of The shroud..what's your bases then?
Since all the hoax claims has all been answered doesn't mean that the shroud is authentic.
This is a fallacy of negation or false dilemma
"since I'm wrong, then your correct"
What do you think?

Ikaw man mismo nag ingon nga bisan ang Vatican wala naghatag pa ug conclusion
and base sa imo statement bisan ikaw dili sure coz you're also hoping that this cloth is for real.
Yet you believe in its authenticity..
Paki klaro lang pud

The video showing that the Shroud might have been fabricated by human hands assumes that it was made by Medieval men with a high level of artistry.

This could not be fabricated by 1st Century Christians due to the following reasons:
1. 1st Century men don't have the skill and tools to fabricate such complex image. That's why researches wanted it to be a medieval hoax, in the time of Da Vince and other great artists.
2. Christians were under prosecution, that's why they hide in caves to gather. Why would they create such object when they know that the Romans are their to get them? It is more sensible if it's medieval because you will have power and fortune if you possess it.

Ok, I got your point.. So, you're saying that it is INDEED a body mark of a crucified man on the 1st century, but it could have been just an ordinary criminals just like Jesus' Cruci-mates.
(this can also be my answer on my false-dilemma)
Here's my answer:
1. Based from my previous posts, criminals (like Jesus's cruci-mates) were just thrown in the pit and burned. Jesus, as narrated in the Bible, was given a rightful burial.
2. The details of the crucifixion: Crown of thorns, whipped back, knee injuries during the fall, and the nail marks(through the wrists), heart peirced with spear, etc. is so exact that it is found in the image.
3. For criminals, to make sure they are dead, need to have their bones (e.g. knees) be broken. But as the bible account, Jesus did not broke his bones, the same as reflected in the image.

Here's my stand:
I guess with those points, and there are more, I can believe that it IS Jesus' burial Shroud indeed.

There are NO official annoucements made yet, and we can still either believe or disbelieve.

I believe in it because I presented facts that says so, and negated the facts that says against it.

But then again, I will wait for the official announcement.

[kenites]

@redhorse---- ah ok bro...I hope a good and strong evidence in the future will be presented, may it be against it or for its authenticity. Tnx for the discussion

[redhorse1L]

@redhorse---- ah ok bro...I hope a good and strong evidence in the future will be presented, may it be against it or for its authenticity. Tnx for the discussion

Thanks for the nice discussion too.
Let's have a drink to that.

Isang tagay sa tagumpay! hehehe

[Passport]

The new test, by scientists at the University of Padua in northern Italy, used the same fibers from the 1988 tests but disputes the findings. The new examination dates the shroud to between 300 BC and 400 AD, which would put it in the era of Christ.

New test dates Shroud of Turin to era of Christ

[archonswarm999]

interesting....................

[vernie]

Tinuod gyud ang panapton nga gigamit, di na malalis. Ang pangutana diha karon, kinsa kaha ang giputos sa panapton? Kadaghan ra ba gyud fabricated stories nga gipanghimo aron lang ma control ang tao. Unsa ni nga group ang gapangilad sukad pa kaniadto ug bisan sa panahon karon? Nangutana lang.