Was Peter went to ROME?

[Breakeven]

@noy

break, you misunderstood..where in my statement that i said that the BIBLE does not hold the authority as God's word?
GOD's WORD break, don't make it as if your OWN. UNLESS you know what is inside GOd's mind when HE REVEALED His word to mankind through the BIBLE then BY ALL MEANS....conclude in an absolute manner..the problem is YOU DON'T!

So we need the Lord himself to interpret for us? The bible interprets itself bro aside sa prophecies which needs deeper study. Kung mao na atong pagsabot, walay kalainan atong pagtuo sa ubang cult, pagan religions diay.

ang nahitabo karun is, you will present your own interpretation of a certain BIBLE VERSE and then muingun because the BIBLE says so? imu man pasunginlan ang BIBLE intawn sa imung wa pagkasabut.

Like what verse bro nga ako lang interpretation imong gipasabot? So asa may tinuod ron, ang bible that condemns idol worship and any pagan practices or ang atong gituohan nga tradition which you thought were handed down by Apostle Peter?

How do you consider the following teachings against the bible bro?
Are Catholic beliefs and practices biblical?

TUBAGA ko palihug...
ARE YOU CERTAIN that HOW you interpret BIBLE VERSES esp the things you qoute to discredit CAtholic Practices is HOW JESUS would want YOU to INTERPRET them? This is just a YES or NO question break...and no, you can't say because the bible says so...we are talking about YOUR interpretation...

Can you dare to ask the same question to the priest/pope bro? You’ve forgotten the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Don’t we have the Holy Spirit that guides us in our Christian walk and the search for truth?

OUR GUIDE INTO ALL TRUTH sermon page 2, OUR GUIDE INTO ALL TRUTH sermon page 2 by Dennis Davidson, John 16:12-16:15 - SermonCentral.com

Yes, as what the Holy Spirit guides me bro. Truth sometimes hurt but we should have the heart to accept also.

[noy]

@noy
So we need the Lord himself to interpret for us? The bible interprets itself bro aside sa prophecies which needs deeper study. Kung mao na atong pagsabot, walay kalainan atong pagtuo sa ubang cult, pagan religions diay.

The Bible interprets itself diay break...in all aspects?
HOW did we know that God is a TRIUNE bieng...
where in the Bible would you see explaining the HOLY TRINITY?
or even the word TRINITY itself where can you see that in the BIBLE if it interprets on its own in ALL ASPECTS?

i need your insights on these break

*Some Protestants claim that St. Paul
condemned all oral tradition (Col 2:. If so,
why does he tell the Thessalonians to "stand
firm and hold to the traditions which you were
taught, whether by word of mouth or by
letter" (2 Thes 2:15) and praises the
Corinthians because they "hold firmly to the
traditions" (1 Cor 11:2)?

*If the Bible is the only foundation and basis
of Christian truth, why does the Bible itself say
that the Church is the pillar and foundation of
truth (1 Tim. 3:15)?

*What is one to believe when one Protestant
says infants should be baptized (e.g., Luther
and Calvin) and another says it is wrong and
unbiblical (e.g., Baptists and Evangelicals)?

*how is it that thereare more than 33,000 Protestand denominations
with differences on their scripture interpretations?
how do we know which interpretation is inspired by the Holy Spirit?

so without the Apostolic Succession and guidelines, how do we interpret the BIBLE again?

Like what verse bro nga ako lang interpretation imong gipasabot? So asa may tinuod ron, ang bible that condemns idol worship and any pagan practices or ang atong gituohan nga tradition which you thought were handed down by Apostle Peter?

the bible talks about making images to be worshiped.
imung interpretation ana kay ang CAtholic practices...
well first you need to ask yourself
1.where in the CAtholic doctrine is taught taht we should worship images?
2.does it follow that one talks to an image while praying that person
is worshiping that image?

karun,sultie ko nga mao nay exactly buot ipasabut ni Jesus. is it?

How do you consider the following teachings against the bible bro?
Are Catholic beliefs and practices biblical?

again for the Nth time...the link is ANTI Catholic, expressing anti-catholicism point of view..
would you hear a muslim talking about Jesus being God?
of course not...would you see an anti catholic website talk about the TRUTH towards CAtholics? of course no...anti gani...
now tell me your research and references aren't biased.

Can you dare to ask the same question to the priest/pope bro? You’ve forgotten the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Don’t we have the Holy Spirit that guides us in our Christian walk and the search for truth?

the Catholic Church doctrine is based in both sacred scripture and sacred traditions bro..
THEIR TEACHINGS are based on what has been handed down from generation to generation...
your basis on the other hand is from anti-catholics...

Yes, as what the Holy Spirit guides me bro. Truth sometimes hurt but we should have the heart to accept also.

question bro, ikaw ray naay Holy Spirit?
unya sure jud ka nga inspired by the Holy Spirit na imung gibuhat?
when you are WRONGFULLY accusing CATHLICS with your CLAIMS..

i say wrongfully accused because your claims and allegations are nowhere taught in the magesterium of the Catholic church

READ the catechism of the catholic church, CATHOLIC doctrines
and give me a line or 2 that
says we should worship mary,saints,images etc...
then i'll start considering your claim...
if you think nga insakto jud ka, i dare you to read the catechism of the catholic church.

for sure you haven't read it from the time you questioned and left your catholic faith until now as one who tries to disprove it...

in search for truth?truth hurts? HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW about the TRUTH really?

[Breakeven]

@noy

lagpasa na nimu oi...nganu ning abut naman kag Sinulog...to know more about it...pag research ra gud,,,di kay magcge kag istorya dritso..and kung mag research pud ka kadtong sa CAtholic or neutral nga sites.

I consider always the word of God as my final authority bro. I am fixed with that. It’s impossible to come up sa truth kung neutral or bias atong reference. I found no good reason to defend my religion but the Lord Jesus Christ who shed his blood and died for me that I can find real meaning of life. How can I know that? Only in the bible.

Our basis for our Sacred Traditions break is the APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION!

Like the selling of indulgences, etc? It’s hard to reconcile bro when it contradicts the word of God. That’s what triggered the Reformation.

aside from your personal/denominational POV? unsa may imung basis? BIBLE? wa pa nimu tubaga akong pangutana ha...how sure are you nga mao nay gusto ni JEsus nga way pag interpret?

And how sure you are that the Pope/priests correctly interprets or taught the correct teachings of Jesus and the apostles if wala tay basihanan to compare with?

how come that for 2000 years, firm man mi sa amung mga tradition break? and nganu kamu since 15th century when protestantism came in the picture...nganu more or less 33,000 naman mu ka denomination wa pay labut sa mga colorum...WITH certain DIFFERENCES pa jud with regards to practices and interpretations...
SEE? kita ka sa resulta sa WALAY SOLID FOUNDATION? dayun muingun ka because the BIBLE says so?

Heheh
If most Catholics magbasa lang sa bible bro, they will surely agree why the need for a reformation. Mao bitaw uban nga nakadungog sa kamatuoran namalhin….and that’s a fact!
The problem is it’s hidden/mostly obscure teachings ang i-relay sa mga leaders coz they themselves are still in the bondage from the powers of darkness, mao bitaw nay mga pari nga insakto unta ilang kahimtang pero wala kasabot sa ilang buhaton kung maayo ba or dautan.

Our label is not important bro. Mag-unsa mana atong pangan kung mismo atong spiritu huyang? Hope you got what I mean. Yes Roman Catholics are united in one name, but how about the situation within? Sorry if this offends but try to observe in a prison cell, sa sugalan, bar house, etc. are they mostly Catholics? Then we claim to be the truth?

Varying Protestant groups/denominations is justifiable tingali coz people can exercise their freedom of expression…as long as within the boundaries of God, for me it’s not a big deal. Importante bro, christians are united as one body in Christ and having the same spirit as followers of the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ.

YES the BIBLE is TRUE and GOD's WORD BUT how about your INTERPRETATION? should it still be God's interpretation also? kahibaw ka? bati kaayo ni atong gibuhat, puro ta Christian maglalis aning mga butanga...

Depende bro in what manner we discuss. I think okay raman coz I know we have the same spirit of Christ. Naa lang nato how we view some minor teachings/doctrines in light of God’s word.

i suggest before ka mu accuse ug something against RCC.. pagsearch sa tawn ug maayo oi! pagresearch sa Catholic reasons...ayaw nang mga against2x na daan kay wa kay makaplagan ana puro ra mga pang daot!
kay kapuy kaayo ni istoryahan ning mga ing aning butanga..haha. to be fair with me, palihug tubaga akong pangutana before ka mangutana..Lol

Mao baya ning mga topic nga ma attract jud ta ug nindot kayo hisgutan bro kay daghan tag makat-unan sad, diba? Try to check kung unsang klase sa topic ang nakadaghan sa imong posts…hehe.

you were imposing your POV break, you were not sharing.
please know the difference.

Mao ba bro, heheh….or should I say im sharing my POV?

why won't they direct their prayer to God then? why face the wall?
see the point break? you accuse RCs as idol worshipers for looking at statues or images of Jesus when praying…

That’s a good question to ask the jews

How about this conversation of Jesus and the samaritan woman in John chapter 4?

²⁰ Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.²¹ Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.²² Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.²³ But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.²⁴ God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.²⁵ The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.²⁶Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

They consider the wailing wall as the remains of Solomon’s temple to be the place of their worship. Jews have the reason to do that because they rejected Christ as the messiah. But do we follow the same? NO. we claim Jesus as our savior, therefore we should follow his teachings.

MANY times i have presented a link for you to read, for sure you have encountered catholic explainations about our practices...if di jud ka kasabut, di na na akong problema.

Dili mana angay problemahon bro coz in the first place, I believe its teachings is unbiblical. Ang problema diha kung asa atong gisubay nga tinuod. Bible or the “so called” Traditions?

peace bro

[noy]

@noy



I consider always the word of God as my final authority bro. I am fixed with that. It’s impossible to come up sa truth kung neutral or bias atong reference. I found no good reason to defend my religion but the Lord Jesus Christ who shed his blood and died for me that I can find real meaning of life. How can I know that? Only in the bible.

Like the selling of indulgences, etc? It’s hard to reconcile bro when it contradicts the word of God. That’s what triggered the Reformation.

break, ang selling of indulgence kay wala ni gitudlo sa RCC(MAGESTRIUM) gi abosaran na sa mga RC priest and leaders
for their own benefit...pataka raman kag example oi...Lol

And how sure you are that the Pope/priests correctly interprets or taught the correct teachings of Jesus and the apostles if wala tay basihanan to compare with?

break, the pope does not need to interpret Biblical accounts intawn
'cause the pope is still bound by sacred traditions and scriptures..
as Peter was bound by the words of Christ.

Heheh
If most Catholics magbasa lang sa bible bro, they will surely agree why the need for a reformation. Mao bitaw uban nga nakadungog sa kamatuoran namalhin….and that’s a fact!
The problem is it’s hidden/mostly obscure teachings ang i-relay sa mga leaders coz they themselves are still in the bondage from the powers of darkness, mao bitaw nay mga pari nga insakto unta ilang kahimtang pero wala kasabot sa ilang buhaton kung maayo ba or dautan.

kinsa man ka break? are you God?
i thought the bible teaches to not judge...karun mag istorya kag ing-ana? hahahaha...you're contradicting yourself...
wa man gani ka kabasa sa catechism of the catholic church...
nibalhin kag denominasyon nga wa ka kasabut sa pagka katoliko nimu
unya mag butang kag labels sa RCC?

Our label is not important bro. Mag-unsa mana atong pangan kung mismo atong spiritu huyang? Hope you got what I mean. Yes Roman Catholics are united in one name, but how about the situation within? Sorry if this offends but try to observe in a prison cell, sa sugalan, bar house, etc. are they mostly Catholics? Then we claim to be the truth?

so you are questioning the RCC teachings because Catholics failed to act accordingly?
pagkatoytoy ana break oi...
site a catholic teaching, nga magsugal,muadto sa bar etc..mangurakot...
kung naa kay makit.an diha questiona ang CAtholicism...sus nalang nimu oi...Lol

Varying Protestant groups/denominations is justifiable tingali coz people can exercise their freedom of expression…as long as within the boundaries of God, for me it’s not a big deal. Importante bro, christians are united as one body in Christ and having the same spirit as followers of the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ.

within the boundaries of God nang magbutang-butang sa RCC? just because you failed to understand its teaching?just because you think
that the bible contradicts her teaching?
pag sure break ha...akoy nakuyawan anang imung gipang istorya...

before ka motubag ani nga post break, tubaga usa to akong gi post 4u
6:48PM ang time kay murag ga tuyok2x ta ani...
PLUS! dakong OT jud ni...

break you accused RCC for such practices...
then BASAHA ang catechism of the RCC...
kung di gani ka kita didto nga gisugo sa magesterium sa RCC
nga magbuhat sa imung gipang akosar sa amu...
then it aonly means one thing break, pataka lang kag istorya...
ug labaw sa tanan.. nakalapas kas giingun sa bibliya nga dili paghukom sa isig kaingun...Lol

[noy]

kabantay ko break dah...imu raman kong gilibog-libog...
ASA NA MAN IMUNG PROOF? Lol

[Breakeven]

pasayloa lang ko @noy kung wala kayo ko knowledge about RC cathechism. heheheh. just like most of its members, nagmata lang pud tawn ug udto ba. So need jud someone like you to preach somewhere else like public places kay dili mani maoy topic permi sa pari gud inig misa kay gi control man daw ang message nga ipagawas sa vatican.

[Breakeven]

@noy

The Bible interprets itself diay break...in all aspects?
HOW did we know that God is a TRIUNE bieng...where in the Bible would you see explaining the HOLY TRINITY? or even the word TRINITY itself where can you see that in the BIBLE if it interprets on its own in ALL ASPECTS?

Not all bro.
You cannot even read the word “family” in the book of Genesis, but why do we consider Adam, Eve and their sons as the first “Family”?

Dili sad tanan gi-spoonfeed. There are things tingali bro that requires pure reason coz not explicitly expressed. I thought you believed in Tri-Unity of God. Most Christians believed the God of the bible manifested himself in 3 personal revelations since the history of man.

i need your insights on these break

*Some Protestants claim that St. Paul condemned all oral tradition (Col 2: . If so, why does he tell the Thessalonians to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thes 2:15) and praises the Corinthians because they "hold firmly to the traditions" (1 Cor 11:2)?

Kang Apostle Paul mana nga letter bro, not of Peter. Those were addressed to the believers in those places but not Rome. How do we know nga apil diha ang current traditions sa RCC? Try to compare daw asay mas duol sa pagan traditions practiced by Emperor Constantine before his conversion.

*If the Bible is the only foundation and basis of Christian truth, why does the Bible itself say that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim. 3:15)?

As a whole, Jesus Christ is the foundation of the Church. The writers of the bible themselves are part of the church. We don’t have the bible without the church. It is the role of the universal Church (believers) to defend the Truth.

*What is one to believe when one Protestant says infants should be baptized (e.g., Luther and Calvin) and another says it is wrong and unbiblical (e.g., Baptists and Evangelicals)?

Baptism is a first step of obedience to the Lord’s command; it is a public confession of our faith. The biblical view is only when we accept Christ as our savior this would follow. Infant baptism I guess is unbiblical….siguro dedication ang sakto nga term para ana like what Mary and Joseph did to Jesus in the temple.

Is Infant Baptism Biblical?

*how is it that there are more than 33,000 Protestant denominations with differences on their scripture interpretations? how do we know which interpretation is inspired by the Holy Spirit?

Even the corinthian (?) church bro naay differences nga gi address ni Apostle Paul. That’s normal being diverse individual. As long as our major doctrines (means of salvation, Trinity, etc.) is the same walay problema ang gagmay coz dili man maoy maka imperno sa atua. Out of 33,000 bro, dili sad ta kaingon those are all christians, dunay daghan cults also nga giporma to inflict more confusion.

so without the Apostolic Succession and guidelines, how do we interpret the BIBLE again?
To accept the Lord as our personal saviour by heart is the most important thing to happen first to allow the Holy Spirit to work in us. Everything else will follow.
the bible talks about making images to be worshiped. imung interpretation ana kay ang CAtholic practices...well first you need to ask yourself
1.where in the CAtholic doctrine is taught taht we should worship images?
2.does it follow that one talks to an image while praying that person is worshiping that image?

karun,sultie ko nga mao nay exactly buot ipasabut ni Jesus. is it?

Then why we still follow the old teachings if we already knew God’s new covenant to his people?

Im not really sure bro if most of them to practiced it have the same answers sa imoha.

again for the Nth time...the link is ANTI Catholic, expressing anti-catholicism point of view..
would you hear a muslim talking about Jesus being God?
of course not...would you see an anti catholic website talk about the TRUTH towards CAtholics? of course no...anti gani...
now tell me your research and references aren't biased

We can always share whatever links we want bro to support our point. Ato man sad maweigh kung tinuod ba or dili. No problem with that.

the Catholic Church doctrine is based in both sacred scripture and sacred traditions bro..
THEIR TEACHINGS are based on what has been handed down from generation to generation...
your basis on the other hand is from anti-catholics...

They based the bible, but only a portion of it. My basis bro is the bible, it’s not anti-catholics/muslims/hindus…but you and I accept it as God’s word, TRUTH. It is anti-FALSE Teachings.

question bro, ikaw ray naay Holy Spirit?
unya sure jud ka nga inspired by the Holy Spirit na imung gibuhat?

I dont think ang taw nga naay Holy Spirit within bro mas malipay moadto sa lugar like sugalan, bar house, etc.
not to sound hypocrite, i know sometimes we fall into sin, we are tempted but dwelling and wallowing to sin is another story. Sharing these things bro for me is a valid one unless it is against God's word. But we're doing this with Love and understanding. As long as wala koy gipasakitan personally, only the teachings, wala man tingali problema bro.

when you are WRONGFULLY accusing CATHLICS with your CLAIMS..
i say wrongfully accused because your claims and allegations are nowhere taught in the magesterium of the Catholic church

READ the catechism of the catholic church, CATHOLIC doctrines and give me a line or 2 that
says we should worship mary,saints,images etc...then i'll start considering your claim...
if you think nga insakto jud ka, i dare you to read the catechism of the catholic church.

for sure you haven't read it from the time you questioned and left your catholic faith until now as one who tries to disprove it...in search for truth?truth hurts? HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW about the TRUTH really?

In these troubles times bro, people need to know the truth of God’s salvation through Jesus Christ ALONE, not those religious dogmas. There are so many things in the church that only bring confusion and divert them from the real purpose why we, the church, still exists today.

What’s the most important bro is our relationship to God, not the membership of a particular group.

[noy]

pasayloa lang ko @noy kung wala kayo ko knowledge about RC cathechism. heheheh. just like most of its members, nagmata lang pud tawn ug udto ba. So need jud someone like you to preach somewhere else like public places kay dili mani maoy topic permi sa pari gud inig misa kay gi control man daw ang message nga ipagawas sa vatican.

gi control DAW sa VATICAN...another one of them myths break..Lol
the answers are ALL OVER the place, we even paste links for you guys...
if you truly want to know about Catholic perspective then pause from browsing them anti-catholic sites for a while...
take time to visit LINKS about Catholic practices and explanations...

anyways, no harm done break, no need for apologies.

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Wala ra gud

[noy]

@noy



Not all bro.
You cannot even read the word “family” in the book of Genesis, but why do we consider Adam, Eve and their sons as the first “Family”?

Dili sad tanan gi-spoonfeed. There are things tingali bro that requires pure reason coz not explicitly expressed. I thought you believed in Tri-Unity of God. Most Christians believed the God of the bible manifested himself in 3 personal revelations since the history of man.



Kang Apostle Paul mana nga letter bro, not of Peter. Those were addressed to the believers in those places but not Rome. How do we know nga apil diha ang current traditions sa RCC? Try to compare daw asay mas duol sa pagan traditions practiced by Emperor Constantine before his conversion.



As a whole, Jesus Christ is the foundation of the Church. The writers of the bible themselves are part of the church. We don’t have the bible without the church. It is the role of the universal Church (believers) to defend the Truth.



Baptism is a first step of obedience to the Lord’s command; it is a public confession of our faith. The biblical view is only when we accept Christ as our savior this would follow. Infant baptism I guess is unbiblical….siguro dedication ang sakto nga term para ana like what Mary and Joseph did to Jesus in the temple.

Is Infant Baptism Biblical?



Even the corinthian (?) church bro naay differences nga gi address ni Apostle Paul. That’s normal being diverse individual. As long as our major doctrines (means of salvation, Trinity, etc.) is the same walay problema ang gagmay coz dili man maoy maka imperno sa atua. Out of 33,000 bro, dili sad ta kaingon those are all christians, dunay daghan cults also nga giporma to inflict more confusion.



Then why we still follow the old teachings if we already knew God’s new covenant to his people?

Im not really sure bro if most of them to practiced it have the same answers sa imoha.



We can always share whatever links we want bro to support our point. Ato man sad maweigh kung tinuod ba or dili. No problem with that.



They based the bible, but only a portion of it. My basis bro is the bible, it’s not anti-catholics/muslims/hindus…but you and I accept it as God’s word, TRUTH. It is anti-FALSE Teachings.



I dont think ang taw nga naay Holy Spirit within bro mas malipay moadto sa lugar like sugalan, bar house, etc.
not to sound hypocrite, i know sometimes we fall into sin, we are tempted but dwelling and wallowing to sin is another story. Sharing these things bro for me is a valid one unless it is against God's word. But we're doing this with Love and understanding. As long as wala koy gipasakitan personally, only the teachings, wala man tingali problema bro.



In these troubles times bro, people need to know the truth of God’s salvation through Jesus Christ ALONE, not those religious dogmas. There are so many things in the church that only bring confusion and divert them from the real purpose why we, the church, still exists today.

What’s the most important bro is our relationship to God and for being a member of a particular group.

mao lagi bro, UNLESS you would study the catechism of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, you would always percieve RCC
as a contradiction...hinlabi nag apilan nimug browse2x sa mga ANTI-Catholic sites...NAKO!!!!!! Lol
i won't argue with you further kay maikog tang defender(TS) and Mod(Master Spring)
i'll leave you with this: To My "Bible Only" Christian Brothers and Sisters, From A Catholic Convert [a humble vanity], not an official catholic site
but insights from someone who used to be anti-catholic.

cge back to the topic na ta break, kay maikog ta...

cge unsa may imung personal stand about ni Peter going to Rome?