The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[Xian120]

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If the fallibility you are talking about is being defined as making errors , it is wrong. The CHURCH is INFALLIBLE . Protected from creating errors. Just because there are changes and modifications does not at all constitute or equate to being an ERROR.

Anyway , 1 question and 1 answer in the confines of the teachings.

Going back to the topic.

I refuse to believe that the church is infallible, for that would mean that you agree that the inquisition was nothing but a mere modification and not an error of the Christian faith.. The Christian church like many other is subject to human barbarism, therefore infallible, it may have been moral back then to prosecute alleged witches and heretics, but thats not the case right now, the church believed that the earth is the center of the universe and that the sun was revolving around the earth, but we know now that that's not true, the church believe that the earth is 6000 years old, but thats not true.. i could go on and on about this..

now is the church infallible? i refuse to believe it..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I refuse to believe that the church is infallible, for that would mean that you agree that the inquisition was nothing but a mere modification and not an error of the Christian faith.. The Christian church like many other is subject to human barbarism, therefore infallible, it may have been moral back then to prosecute alleged witches and heretics, but thats not the case right now, the church believed that the earth is the center of the universe and that the sun was revolving around the earth, but we know now that that's not true, the church believe that the earth is 6000 years old, but thats not true.. i could go on and on about this..

now is the church infallible? i refuse to believe it..

You have to understand that the CHURCH we are talking here is the CHURCH built by ST. PETER which is the instruction of JESUS CHRIST when He said " BUILD MY CHURCH UPON THIS ROCK .... " .

It is referring to the succession of the POPES which the definition of INFALLIBILITY is different from what you are arguing about. If you can backread and check the INFALLIBILITY of the POPES then you would agree.

You are trying to interpret BELIEFS as TEACHINGS.

When the church believed back then that EARTH REVOLVES AROUND the SUN , there is nothing about SPIRITUAL. We are discussing here about SPIRITUALITY based in the confines , perimeters and accordnace of the magisterium of the RCC.

have you made thoughts if naa na ta sa panahon sa INQUISITION , do you think mo agree kaha kitang mga CHRISTIANS in the otehr side of the world ? Could be but not necessarily .

Now to answer your question about INFALLIBILITY , it is not about being PERFECT but PROTECTED from COMMITTING ERRORS.

[Bongoton]

ang pag hikog is a grave sin.. imong kuhaan ug katungod ang Ginoo nga maoy tagiya sa imong kinabuhi.. bisan pa tingali misahan.. ang Ginoo na mag igo nimo kung pasayluon baka niya..

morag 500+ naman diay ni ka pages pero kini lang nga topic ako replyan.. hehehe..
misahan naman tingali ni karon sa simbahan bisan nag hikog, and sakto lang pod nga naka decide sila ani nga change after so long. Bisan si kinsa pa ka, you have no right to judge your fellow man.. bisan ikaw pay Santo Papa.. therefore walay reason nganong dili nimo misahan ang naghikog.. ang Ginoo ray mahibaw ana niya.. As a church it is your responsibility to give the man blessings however he died. Wa ta kahibaw, sa last 3 breaths niya nangayo siyag pasaylo ni Lord, unya gipasaylo siya. Di ba? Ü

[SioDenz]

The doctrine of NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH has not been abolished nor negated by the Magisterium. To simplify the arguments:


- Requires full membership to the visible Church of Christ, which is the Catholic Church is still in full effect and applicable to all.

- Babies for example, baptized in schismatic sects CAN be saved, but it is required for them to search for the Truth of Christ in the Church.

- Pagans who has not heard of the Church and the Gospel can be saved, as long as they have made the effort to search for the truth.

"""The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church."

- Those who have heard, but rejected the Truth of Christ in the fullness of the Catholic Church will not be saved. Even baptized Catholics, who reject Church Teachings will not be saved.

- Those who preach errors WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE (applicable to heretics and schismatics), although they have half-truths in them will not be saved.


***Protestant denominations and the Anglican Communion would presumably fall under the category of "heretics and schismatics." Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, etc would presumably be considered "Pagans."


***Errors may mean preaching contrary to the revealed Truth of Jesus Christ found in the Church.


Read on:

Can non-Catholics be saved?

Nya in the end, naa say Doctrina nga mu ingun Only God Knows or Only God have the answers - And Yet duna say Doctrina nga nag ingun nga walay kaluwasan ang mga Outside sa Church. Murag na conflict na nuon.

Why man mu set kag Rules about salvation when in Fact in the end mu ingun raman diay ka nga ang Dios ray nakahibalo?

[Xian120]

You have to understand that the CHURCH we are talking here is the CHURCH built by ST. PETER which is the instruction of JESUS CHRIST when He said " BUILD MY CHURCH UPON THIS ROCK .... " .

It is referring to the succession of the POPES which the definition of INFALLIBILITY is different from what you are arguing about. If you can backread and check the INFALLIBILITY of the POPES then you would agree.

You are trying to interpret BELIEFS as TEACHINGS.

When the church believed back then that EARTH REVOLVES AROUND the SUN , there is nothing about SPIRITUAL. We are discussing here about SPIRITUALITY based in the confines , perimeters and accordnace of the magisterium of the RCC.

have you made thoughts if naa na ta sa panahon sa INQUISITION , do you think mo agree kaha kitang mga CHRISTIANS in the otehr side of the world ? Could be but not necessarily .

Now to answer your question about INFALLIBILITY , it is not about being PERFECT but PROTECTED from COMMITTING ERRORS.

Church or religion or whatever it is called mean the same thing to me, they are all governed by faith.. whatever negative thing the church or the religion does is a result of misguided faith therefore an execution error of such.. whatever may be said to separate Churches and religion and beliefs and teachings, the fact still remains that they all compliment each other, they are all governed by one single thing and that is faith.. so if there is something wrong about your church or religion, then there is something wrong with your faith..

The magisterium of the RCC is not absolute nor is it without error, that's why they conduct this Councils from time to time, to renew and revise and change the outlook of the church based on the need of the people it is governing,. When there was a growing threat on the church by means of paganism and witchcraft and heresy, they made a magisterium which states that heretics and the like will be condemned,. 500 years ago the church was infallible given their situation, but morality has evolved, and so thus the extent of the Church infallibility.

now is the church or the Christian belief infallible? i refuse to believe that..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Church or religion or whatever it is called mean the same thing to me, they are all governed by faith.. whatever negative thing the church or the religion does is a result of misguided faith therefore an execution error of such.. whatever may be said to separate Churches and religion and beliefs and teachings, the fact still remains that they all compliment each other, they are all governed by one single thing and that is faith.. so if there is something wrong about your church or religion, then there is something wrong with your faith..

That is your opinion/proposition only and does not hold any convictions of reality.

Faith is what you reap when there are times that all is in doubt. Mao bitaw characteristics like apologetic,hypocrites and faithfuls exist in religions.

Even ATHIEST has faith themselves . Faith has nothing to do with what is going on in the church may it be a negative or positive thing. .

The magisterium of the RCC is not absolute nor is it without error, that's why they conduct this Councils from time to time, to renew and revise and change the outlook of the church based on the need of the people it is governing,. When there was a growing threat on the church by means of paganism and witchcraft and heresy, they made a magisterium which states that heretics and the like will be condemned,. 500 years ago the church was infallible given their situation, but morality has evolved, and so thus the extent of the Church infallibility.

That is the reason why you will never reconcile with the church because you carry a different understanding and relationship in respect to the word FALLIBILITY / INFALLIBILITY. Like I said , if you review the post about the POPES INFALLIBILITY , it is a different approach on what you are stressing out .

now is the church or the Christian belief infallible? i refuse to believe that..

You refuse to believe but its like that , will be like that and always like that.

Anyways , your refusal to buy it or should I safely say , refusal to understand because of reservations has been addressed already .

OFFTOPIC na ta diri because this is outside QUESTION and ANSWER already but rather an exchange of thoughts.

Any other questions Xian120 to get back to the right track ?

[Xian120]

That is your opinion/proposition only and does not hold any convictions of reality.

Faith is what you reap when there are times that all is in doubt. Mao bitaw characteristics like apologetic,hypocrites and faithfuls exist in religions.

Even ATHIEST has faith themselves . Faith has nothing to do with what is going on in the church may it be a negative or positive thing. .

That is the reason why you will never reconcile with the church because you carry a different understanding and relationship in respect to the word FALLIBILITY / INFALLIBILITY. Like I said , if you review the post about the POPES INFALLIBILITY , it is a different approach on what you are stressing out .

You refuse to believe but its like that , will be like that and always like that.

Anyways , your refusal to buy it or should I safely say , refusal to understand because of reservations has been addressed already .

OFFTOPIC na ta diri because this is outside QUESTION and ANSWER already but rather an exchange of thoughts.

Any other questions Xian120 to get back to the right track ?

id like to stress out that i have nothing against the church.. i have no grudge whatsoever on the church for i consider our historic events, good or bad, as nothing short of human infliction, it had to somehow happen inorder for peace that we have now to arise, with or without religion..

i believe that religion no matter how subtle the intention and no matter how glorious it would seem, if deemed in the wrongest (made up word) of intention would take form in that way also, for it is what we made it after all.. my opinion though

in terms of spirituality, the Pope in fact is infallible, but they are without question still subject to human emotion, history have shown for this to be true.

Ok back to the topic..

I always hear people say nga dili religion ang mkaluwas sa tawo, then how come we need to affiliate ourselves with at least one?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Good question but I believed na answer ni siya ni NOY na pod.

Paste na lang nako ang link .

Why do we need all the rules of organized religion, when the Golden Rule sums up everything about how to live? | Catholic Answers

[Xian120]

hehe thanks

I know you'll say that there's no wrong religion, but what if i will belong to a religion that does not acknowledge a God (God of the bible to be specific), will i have eternal life? or go to heaven if you may.. what does the Magisterium of today speak about it?

natubag naba ni? hehehe..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Actually natubag na gyud na .

UNless wala pa , you can correct me if I am wrong but kung unsay answer sa question na SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH , it will just basically apply also.