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  1. #4991

    Quote Originally Posted by psychologic View Post
    ug why intil now novena is gpractice paman? wa man jd kaha na sa bible...
    so what do you think is wrong with the prayer?..

  2. #4992
    Quote Originally Posted by myLADY View Post
    para nako, dako na kaau kog kahiubos sa simbahang katoliko thatswhy the last time i went to church was during my sons baptismal.. as i was wed in a civil court, i am highly banned to participate in any wedding event held by priest..
    asa ka ana assigned ko mag bible reader wako gi allow sa pari kay lagi kasado daw ko sa huwes which is dako kuno kaau nga sala..
    nganu gd tawn?hilas lang ning mga pari-a! mao man sad nga wana mi nakapakasal sa church ky tungod dli mnsad daw ko pwd kay ako parents waman makasal sa church! asa ka ana.. amo gd kadungan magpakasalay kay nagpakasal iya parents ug una arun lang cla makasal pd sa iyang bana sa simbahan..askang paita! ambot lang pod ug sa amo raning current kuraparoko nga hingwarta kaayo!
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  3. #4993
    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed View Post
    so what do you think is wrong with the prayer?..
    i need an answer not a counter question..

    kon makatubag ka, tubagon sad tika..

  4. #4994
    nganong gitawag manang holy father or santo papa ang popeunsa may nka holy niya??

  5. #4995
    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    aw i see. kini diay imu pasabut. Thank You.
    i too once had the same questions. but there are few things we need to consider first. before getting a different perspective on God's ways.

    1. why are those people being punished? why were they killed?and who were those people?
    were they given chances?

    2. does being killed automatically means being forsaken or damned? what if those people repented when God met them when they died?
    remember early Chrsitian faithfuls were also given to the enemy to be martyrd. even Jesus Himself gave himself. does that mean God abandoned them?

    3. Do we really know what God has in mind when He allowed those things to happen?Do we have a clear view about what is right and wrong?
    diba we have experienced blessings bursting forth from unpleasant events?
    diba its through making wrong choices we know the right ones?

    4. is our view about salvation the same with God's?
    that's why we find people questioning God for life's hardships when they pray everyday and have faith in Him.
    we often forget the part that this life is passing, and what matters really is what lies ahead.
    and that most of the bad things that happened were a product of our own wrong choices..

    5.if ever death is the only way for salvation, would that still be Evil?
    if problems and struggle would open our eyes and our hearts, are they still evil?
    say God allowed a very righteous man to die at a very young age..
    sa ato kay bati kaayo na nga buhat sa Ginoo kay buotan gud dpat i bless unta diba? what if lang ha, kadtong righteous nga tao if wala to siya namatay
    years after he might end up selling his soul to the devil...so ma impierno pa nuon siya..point really is our understanding about blessing is way too far from God's perspective ug dako kaayo ug role ang faith aning mga panahona.

    regarding sa changes from OT to NT di man pud pasabut sayop to ang OT ways mao giilisan..
    but they were rather fulfilled by the fullness of Jesus' coming and Sacrifice.
    this article explains better than i do, so if its ok with you...please refer to this link:
    God's Change in Old and New Testaments: Does God Change? - 2pi.info



    First we need to ask ourselves...
    is God's jealousy really like the jealosy in us driven by insecurities,greed, lust and paranoia?

    God wouldn't have issues with insecurities kay God naman Siya
    He wouldn't have issues with greed 'cause He owns all things, He wouldn't lust over something 'cause He is completely the opposite.
    and of course God is never paranoid 'cause He knows and sees all things.
    therefore God is not jealous in the same way we humans do.

    ok, suppose that you are all knowing and all seeing..
    what would you feel, when you know that yourself is the best deal the other perosn could have but the other person just ceased or refuse to see it..
    if you know that you can give the other person everything that could make him/her happy eternally but that other person just somehow finds his/her own way in settling for something less...
    i think you too would be jealous over those other things..

    God is the best of everything we could have..so when He say He is jealous over the other things we replace Him with...He doesn't mean He is insecure or something, it only means one thing..He loves us that much! and that because of that Love, He worked over time,went out the usuals just for us to figure out that He is what we need.

    in a way
    i even praise God for getting jealous over my sins and guilty pleasures
    'cause that also means He is also holding out to me..

    regarding Tithes..

    Tithing esp in our age today with the new covenant is a personal conviction esp if certain percentage is involved..aside from the fact that it would help the church or church group financially if you come to think of it or if you believe that God owns everything and that whatever you have is nothing more but just a blessing
    10% is not even enough.. we sometimes even give 100% of ourselves to other things doesnt bring us good..example would be vices and guilty pleasures.

    personally, tithing is basically Helping the Church in every way..
    some may be convicted with the 10%, others may be through services,others may be giving church maintenance for free...but we all know that
    the church also needs funds on a daily basis...kung korakoton man gani atong gi hatag...problema na na sa nagkorakot..

    here is a link about tithing,you may wanna check this out
    What is the Church's position on tithing? | Catholic Answers
    bro mao nay problema kay the bible teaches us that God loves us "unconditionally" meaning whatever happens He should not have done the killings, flood, etc I mean based sa imo explanation naa jud chance nga ang nakasala mausab jud but in your case is kad2ng nangamatay na ang imo pasabot.. A God that is made up according to a Man's image is what I see nga naa sa bible and yes I still believe we are made according to the image of a God and I thought that the bible has been corrupted long time ago..

    God gave Man one of the greatest privilege w/c is "freewill" but God in the old testament defied that privilege he gave kay He intervened man sa mga activities sa tao punishing them with death in different ways..

    you spoke about "right and wrong" and Yes perhaps wala pa au nato magrasp unsay naa sa mind sa usa ka God..
    yet the bible said heaven is a place of peace and we know God is all knowing, all seeing, etc. how can heaven be peaceful If God that is all powerful let deluge happen seeing everything on earth suffer?.. if ikaw naa sa heaven bro makakita ka ana would heaven be a peaceful place for you?..

    I think deli pata OT ani since this question is supposed to be answered in all christian denominations and yes this I question according to the denomination created by this thread..
    Last edited by dartzed; 01-29-2013 at 11:50 AM.

  6. #4996
    Quote Originally Posted by psychologic View Post
    i need an answer not a counter question..

    kon makatubag ka, tubagon sad tika..
    my apologies dear...

    But I think ang answer ani kay naa sa mga previews posts, I dunno if nakabasa ka about the repeating of prayers.. I believe nka post sad kog answer ani thats why I ask you with that question also..

    you ask about Novena and Rosary right ug why gipractice pani sa RC nga wala man ni sa bible?..
    Yes wala na ug deli na makita sa bible but those 2 are forms of prayers..

    niingon man and bible nga pray always/constantly..
    Last edited by dartzed; 01-29-2013 at 11:56 AM.

  7. #4997
    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40 View Post
    @ BOYEN

    Dont make it sound na gi oppress ka . Kung tinuod ka na KATOLIKO , then you are confused . You should enroll yourself to a CATHECISM intead of arguing here na tubagon kan , ingnon nimo ug sayop kay naa kay laing answer diay. That is not CATHOLIC at all.

    Ayaw na cge pasingit ha ? Unsya question nimo sunod ?

    @ PSYCHOLOGIC

    Maski bugal bugal and pinilosopo ni ang question nimo , in a logical way of answering it UNBIBLICALLY ....



    During their time , mao na ang fashion statement . Di ka mahibulong ngano walay opaw pod sa unang panahon ?
    sauna diko himasa aning bible... sa dihang nagka interest kog basa naa koy mga nakita sa bible nga mo contradict sa catholic belief,,, kung mangutana ko sa pari tubagon raman kog verbal even sa mga head sa katekisis mao nang mamasin ko basin dia nako makit an ang mga tubag pero ang rule man kaha ani nga thread dinhi ky 1question and 1answer is enaf so aw ato nalang ning sundonbut im telling you dat it doesnt satify me and it doesnt answer my question

  8. #4998
    Quote Originally Posted by cobraKing View Post
    nganong gitawag manang holy father or santo papa ang popeunsa may nka holy niya??
    parihas rna sa army, naa general, unsa may naa sa general nga mo salute man jud ang mga hinsakpan? mao sad na sa Pope bro, believed to be appointed by God therefore considered holier than thou.. but still human ghapon na ang Pope, ang ideas ug ang pagbati tawo gihapon, ang pangan ra ang nausab niya but still the Pope is still human.,

  9. #4999
    Quote Originally Posted by Boyen View Post
    sauna diko himasa aning bible... sa dihang nagka interest kog basa naa koy mga nakita sa bible nga mo contradict sa catholic belief,,, kung mangutana ko sa pari tubagon raman kog verbal even sa mga head sa katekisis mao nang mamasin ko basin dia nako makit an ang mga tubag pero ang rule man kaha ani nga thread dinhi ky 1question and 1answer is enaf so aw ato nalang ning sundonbut im telling you dat i doesnt satify me and it doesnt answer my question
    cge next question bro, or if wa pka natagbaw ipangutana ug usab.. naay daghan ganahan motubag diri

  10. #5000
    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    parihas rna sa army, naa general, unsa may naa sa general nga mo salute man jud ang mga hinsakpan? mao sad na sa Pope bro, believed to be appointed by God therefore considered holier than thou.. but still human ghapon na ang Pope, ang ideas ug ang pagbati tawo gihapon, ang pangan ra ang nausab niya but still the Pope is still human.,
    Is this the stand of Vatican or imu ra ning POV?

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