Manganak ta ug Daghan --- Archbishop Palma :)

[seven_segment]

One cannot help but spot the hypocrisy when you compare the level of vehemence the church hierarchy displayed against the RH bill versus their muted voice on more serious issues. Where was the Catholic Church's vehemence against the abuse of maids in the Middle East or genocide in Rwanda or the Holocaust or the child sexual abuse committed by priests or the persecution of non-Muslims in the Middle East? RH Bill, if carried out without corruption, is a good thing for the millions of poor Filipinos. That the Catholic hierarchy should wage war against it seems to me an assault on the human rights of Filipinos.

Just my opinion.

i would respect your opinion...

however I won't agree with what you call "hypocrisy"

the Church is always in fight with those issues you mention...never would they be "on the side" of it...

the RH bill is far different, as the Church believe that "contraception" is sinful...the Church would not accept that the government will consider it a right...

if the government would accept those issues you mention, and make it legal just like the RH Bill-promotion of contraception...expect the same peaceful war against it...

i hope you get it...incomparable bai, as much as you want to see blunt and visible protests against those issues you mentioned

it won't...why? ask the media...

[seven_segment]

Personally, it's not a problem is you have enough resources to raise them. Pero majority sa mga pamilya sa pinas brad kay naa man sa "walay kaya".

bai, children are not problems,

raising children might be, hope you get what I mean...

now if you don't want to have more children...and without putting your soul next to the gates of hell...

think twice...think thrice...think many times..

mao nay stand sa Church....

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Sure ba ko? Yes, I am sure. Ug asa man sa akong gi reply ang nag accuse ko? Kay dili diay tinuod nga wala mag bayad ang simbahan ug tax? Kay dili diay tinuod nga sa kadaghan sa mga libud suroy nga bata nga gi pasagdan sa ilang mga ginikanan, wala mo tabang ang simbahan? Sir, once in a while, palayo sa imong luho nga pinuy-anan ug puyo duol or sa squatters area jud and see what I am talking about. Have you ever heard of a trisikad driver nga 7 or more ka buok anak while ang asawa walay trabaho? Don't you realize nga kung kinsa tong pwerteng daghana ug anak mao toy mga "kabus"? Want another example? 3 ka cousins nako, amg mga anak, 6, 7, 9 unya walay trabaho ang mga asawa ug trisikad driver, pa extra extra sa jeep/taxi ug construction workers ang bana, you know pila ang income ana nila? Kahibalo ba ka nga mag lakaw-lakaw ang mga bata nga walay saplot nga tarong? Kahibalo ba ka nga wala mag eskwela ang mga bata kay "walay kwarta"?

Dont make an alibi out of excusing yourself by twisting it. Daghan kaayo ka ug gi sulti , gamay ra kaayo ang unod. I asked you why so certain about it ug kung sure ba ka . I asked that because it was rooted from this statement of yours and to highlight unsay unsay tuyo nimo from this :

"Lihuk tawo kay tabangan tika."

Ang dakong pangutana kay kung mag sge ug himo ug mga anak, kinsa man ang mo tabang kung walay tarong trabaho ang ginikanan? Ang simbahan ba nga ga ayo lang ang pangulekta kada misa? Tax free pa?

First , you were never there sa HOMILY , so dont direct such comments just because you thought , its ok MANGANAK ug DAGHAN kay ang basulon ana ang RCC. YES or NO .... didto ka sa HOMILY to actually hear the HOMILY of ARCHBISHOP PALMA or homily sa Sunstar ang gipasabot nimo? Di man na sila simbahan , publisher man na sila.

Second ... I am sure that you are not sure about the highlighted statement because kung sure pa ka , you would not say that. Need I elaborate more?

Palihug ko ug point out sa mga dili tinuod sa akong mga gipanulti ug sa akong mga supposed "accusations". Ayaw pag likoy Manoy ha, Specialty baya na nimo.

Murag batchoy diay ... specialty sa restaurant. Siguro para nimo di siya accusations since its a question on yur end that you already held the answers according to your views lang pod but the message you are trying to deliver was nowhere being just a question but an ACCUSATION itself.

SURE BA KA NA GA AYO LANG UG PANGOLEKTA ANG SIMBAHAN KADA MISA ? Is that something you are trying to mate with angay ang tanan kolekta ihatag sa kabus tungod kay ang simbahan ang naka tungod ngano daghan sila ug anak mao nakabus sila ? Speculation lang ni akoa ha , di pod ni siya accusation on your end.

I dont really care what you guys say about the church since it means nothing but I think , rampant na kaayo mo diri sa forums in attacking the RCC that you guys need enlightment instead of spanking . Hey at least , we cna learn lessons from our IGNORANCE right ?

Agree ko nimo nga instead of condoms libro ang i hatag pero unsaon man ang libro kung "walay kwarta" ang ginikanan para ipa iskwela sa mga bata? Kay totally free ba diay ang pag iskwela? Nag huna-huna ba ka, Manoy? Ayaw ibase tanan sa imong level nga may kaya kay wala pa man ka maka suway nga mag income ug 100 pesos or less a day.

Dont put me in the spotlight like ikaw ra ang naka hibalo , intawn dong .... ultimo ra ko pod pero di ko ignorante.

Ang pag skwela ? Libre , pero ang pletihan , kaon , baon dili and maski asa ka , it will always be like that.

Lastly .... mangutana ko nimo , didto ba ka sa HOMILY gyud pag misa ni Archbishop Palma ? Kay kung wala , simple ra gyud kaayo , talk about the HOMILY of SUNSTAR and dont attack the church just because you think you can. Pero ug naka adto ka, you have all the right to criticized because you knew firsthand na sakto ka ug sayop si Palma sa gipang yawyaw niya.

[carmicael]

i don't agree with the Church's stand on RH, but i believe that the good archbishop deserves to be able to tell his side of this story.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

i don't agree with the Church's stand on RH, but i believe that the good archbishop deserves to be able to tell his side of this story.

The stand on RH BILL is everyones right to be a PRO or ANTI because each and everyone holds a belief of where he or she is comfortable it living in this world. Some may totally agree and disagree and some would meet halfway.

The problem we have here , dgahan kaayong mayng laki na murag kinsang mga swito , tarong , maayo makabalikas , daot ug insulto sa isa ka tao . Intawn ... kana si Palma , Arsobispo na siya sa Cebu , di na siya ordinaryong pari lamang sa usa ka gamay na parokya , mahug na ug GI BUGUAN na lang gyud silang Palma ?

[carmicael]

The stand on RH BILL is everyones right to be a PRO or ANTI because each and everyone holds a belief of where he or she is comfortable it living in this world. Some may totally agree and disagree and some would meet halfway.

The problem we have here , dgahan kaayong mayng laki na murag kinsang mga swito , tarong , maayo makabalikas , daot ug insulto sa isa ka tao . Intawn ... kana si Palma , Arsobispo na siya sa Cebu , di na siya ordinaryong pari lamang sa usa ka gamay na parokya , mahug na ug GI BUGUAN na lang gyud silang Palma ?

and i believe na tao ra pod na ang atong archbishop (i think tanan nag agree ani), and subject pod na siya sa iyang mga human emotions. maybe naa siya lain gusto i-pasabot, wala lang niya masulti ug tarong kay tungod tao lamang siya. that is why na imbis siguro na mamalikas ta dayon niya (public forum raba ni, dali kaayo ta kadaot ug reputation), nag huna-huna ba ta ug email niya or mangutana personally sa iyang side?

[pwned08]

kusog kaayo mo kontra ning simbahan sa RH bill, pero kung imo tan.awn sa pikas thread - catholic bishops mismo d mo tingog kay naa'y lawsuit against nila..

mag buhat nalang ug bata, nya kung fetus na, ato nalang laglagon, para dili ni mo tingog ang simbahan (kay para nila "A fetus is not legally a person until it is born"), nya kung mo tingog sila, isagpa na na nato nila.

[pwned08]

wala ko gi buguan ni palma, pero nagpakita siya kung unsa siya ka iresponsable. as an archbishop he is a public figure, and we know nga daghan tao mo look up niya - not all, pero ubay ubay sad ning mga tao nga mo follow without thinking.

Dili uroy nato ma blame si Palma kung ang uban tao mo tuo dayon niya, pero ma blame nato siya kay ug ngano ni sulti siya ana.. and yes, sa pila nako ka tuig nga wala na'y simba-simba didto ko pagyawyaw niya ato. Even akong mga cousins, uncles, aunts, basta relatives nga GRABE KA DEVOTED sa simbahan, disgusted sa gisulti kay mao lagi.. irresponsible kaayo iyang action.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

and i believe na tao ra pod na ang atong archbishop (i think tanan nag agree ani), and subject pod na siya sa iyang mga human emotions. maybe naa siya lain gusto i-pasabot, wala lang niya masulti ug tarong kay tungod tao lamang siya. that is why na imbis siguro na mamalikas ta dayon niya (public forum raba ni, dali kaayo ta kadaot ug reputation), nag huna-huna ba ta ug email niya or mangutana personally sa iyang side?

You should tell and quote that to those who badmouthed the archbishop.

Why do you think I responded after a lot of badmouthing and pages has gone by ? Because I reserved my sentiments after confirmation of what is the real score.

@PWNED08 ...

kusog kaayo mo kontra ning simbahan sa RH bill, pero kung imo tan.awn sa pikas thread - catholic bishops mismo d mo tingog kay naa'y lawsuit against nila..

mag buhat nalang ug bata, nya kung fetus na, ato nalang laglagon, para dili ni mo tingog ang simbahan (kay para nila "A fetus is not legally a person until it is born"), nya kung mo tingog sila, isagpa na na nato nila.

Get your facts straight bai . Read the article again . Actually naa diri pod gi link ni BURN777.

wala ko gi buguan ni palma, pero nagpakita siya kung unsa siya ka iresponsable. as an archbishop he is a public figure, and we know nga daghan tao mo look up niya - not all, pero ubay ubay sad ning mga tao nga mo follow without thinking.

In what way man pod ang tao mo look up niya and follows what he says ? First walay blind obedience , second di na siya illusionist na mag hocus pocus then sundon ang unsay sugo niya outside the magisterium . Bai if you are referring to the news article , you can clearly read that it always refer to " ACCORDING " . Wala gihapon ta ga daog ana ? UNless you did not read previous eschange of replies then I cant blame you for such opinions you share.

Dili uroy nato ma blame si Palma kung ang uban tao mo tuo dayon niya, pero ma blame nato siya kay ug ngano ni sulti siya ana.. and yes, sa pila nako ka tuig nga wala na'y simba-simba didto ko pagyawyaw niya ato. Even akong mga cousins, uncles, aunts, basta relatives nga GRABE KA DEVOTED sa simbahan, disgusted sa gisulti kay mao lagi.. irresponsible kaayo iyang action.

Storya ta ug tinuod bai . Kay ug mo abot gani ang panahon mo lihok ni silang Palma and the people of the palace , ako ingnon na ni gisulti nimo to include your family in person na sakto gyud ang sulti ug ni tandi tanan ang HOMILY ni palma sa HOMILY sa SUNSTAR sa unsay gi link na news article diri ? Unsa man ? Deal ka ana ?

[rickflag]

clearly there are still some people who believed that all "holy" men are perfect and infallible. well just try looking at history, catholic church was guilty of many atrocities too, remember the inquisition. they can make mistakes too, they burned joan of arc and then declared her a saint 500 years later.