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  1. #4911

    @Boyen

    I believe you did not get my point.. i have provided you the answer above please do read them carefully, before ka muingon nga mubalik ra imo panguta..

  2. #4912
    Quote Originally Posted by wenlove24 View Post
    Although duna jud siguroh mga tawo nga ga praktis ana, I don't think that's church teaching. Sayop ang tawo kung nghunahuna sya nga ang katong object mismo maoy makaayo sa sakit. Pero sa pagkatinuod lang bro wapa jud ko kasugat ug Katoliko nga ngbuhat ini. Ang makit-an raman gud sa mga tao outside the Church kay ang outside behaviour ra ug dili ang disposisyon sa ilang kasingkasing ug kalag. Mag-uban jud kanunay ang pag-ampo bro. Pagpangaliya nga unta modan-ag kanila ang espiritu sa Ginoo sa ilang mga holy endeavors
    Nga maoy makaingon sa pagkaayo ug pagpasig-uli. Â*Kana ganing mga pari nga mo exorcise mgbitbit man nag crucifix ug holy water. Buot pasabot ba niini tua sa objects ang gahum? The answer is no.Â*God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts.
    (cf. 1 Kgs. 6:29–32, 8:6–66; 2 Chr. 3:7–14).

    Pinaagi sa iyang pag reveal sa iyang kaugalingon sa pagkatawo ni Kristo, maka affirm jud ta nga girespetar Niya ang atong finite human nature. So maka conclude ko nga kahibaw jud Siya nga tungod sa atong mga tawhanong panginahanglan (physiologic senses of see, touch, hear, smell,etc.) gi allow Niya kining mga religious use of statues and sacramentals para makatabang sa pagtubo sa atong espiritu.
    Kanang maghangad mi sa mga statues or di ba kaha mag gunit ug rosaryohan nakatabang na namo paghinumdum og pag "imitate" sa kinabuhi ug birtudes anang tawhana ug ilabi na gayud ang kaagi ni Hesus. Mao na ang disposisyon sa usa ka tinuod nga Katoliko.
    I just wanna know what do you think sa akong example, is it Biblical, is it wrong or not. Its a simple yes or no raman. No need to explain sa church side kay di man na doctrina...

  3. #4913
    Quote Originally Posted by Boyen View Post
    sa AGLIPAY CHURCH sis kay ang pari pwd man mag minyo aw ok lang nah kay naa man sa bible nga pwede ra ang pari mag minyo or dili,,, so optional ug dili pareho sa katoliko nga mandatory or regulation jud,, ORDER jud

    pero sa katoliko kay dili jud pwde magminyo,,,, so balik ko sa akong pangutana

    UNSA NGA CHAPTER UG VERSE NGA DILI JUD PWEDE MAGMINYO AS IN DI JUD PWEDE ANG PARI?
    Wala lagi verse. Guidelines na sa Catholic Church sa ilang pari which is Walay Gi Violate nga balaod sa Bibliya.

    Maypa muhatag ka Verse nga gisugo sa DIOS nga DAPAT Magminyu jud ang isa ka Leader sa simbahan. Kay kung wala kay mahatag then nagpasabot nga Way Gisupak So Way nakasala.

  4. #4914
    nice explaination sis wenlove,, agree ko nimo............. balik ta sa akong question pero kun walay makatubag so na hala

    ang uban napod atong tagaan chance nga magutana

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyen View Post
    sa AGLIPAY CHURCH sis kay ang pari pwd man mag minyo aw ok lang nah kay naa man sa bible nga pwede ra ang pari mag minyo or dili,,, so optional ug dili pareho sa katoliko nga mandatory or regulation jud,, ORDER jud

    pero sa katoliko kay dili jud pwde magminyo,,,, so balik ko sa akong pangutana

    UNSA NGA CHAPTER UG VERSE NGA DILI JUD PWEDE MAGMINYO AS IN DI JUD PWEDE ANG PARI?
    Basaha usa ang mga previous responses bro para di naka mag balik2x pangutana ug di napud mi mag balik2x ug tubag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    I just wanna know what do you think sa akong example, is it Biblical, is it wrong or not. Its a simple yes or no raman. No need to explain sa church side kay di man na doctrina...
    Basaha balik bro natubag na tika.

  7. #4917
    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Wala lagi verse. Guidelines na sa Catholic Church sa ilang pari which is Walay Gi Violate nga balaod sa Bibliya.

    Maypa muhatag ka Verse nga gisugo sa DIOS nga DAPAT Magminyu jud ang isa ka Leader sa simbahan. Kay kung wala kay mahatag then nagpasabot nga Way Gisupak So Way nakasala.

    wala koy mahatag nga verse bro kay wala ko kahibalo,,,, mao gani
    NANGUTANA KO PARA NAA KOY MAKAHIBALO KO

  8. #4918
    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Wala lagi verse. Guidelines na sa Catholic Church sa ilang pari which is Walay Gi Violate nga balaod sa Bibliya.

    Maypa muhatag ka Verse nga gisugo sa DIOS nga DAPAT Magminyu jud ang isa ka Leader sa simbahan. Kay kung wala kay mahatag then nagpasabot nga Way Gisupak So Way nakasala.
    Although the early Church allowed married clergy, the Church later came to see celibacy as a better example of the norm and model of Jesus’ priesthood.

    n referring to celibacy, St. Paul says: "Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am, but each has a particular gift from God . . .Now to the unmarried and to widows I say: it is a good thing for them to remain as they are, as I do" (1 Cor. 7:7-. He goes on to say: "An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and he is divided" (1 Cor. 7:32-34).

    Jesus said: "And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times more, and will inherit eternal life" (Mt. 19:29).

    Celibacy is a discipline, not a dogma. This means that the Church could change the rule. In fact, there are a few instances when the Church has allowed married clergy, such as with some Eastern rite clergy and in the case of some Protestant ministers who converted to the Faith. These, however, are the exception.

    It is unlikely that the Church will change this teaching at all, or any time soon, because of the many positive and practical benefits of celibacy. Here are 10 reasons why a celibate clergy makes good sense:

    It leaves the priest free to more fully commit his life to the service of the Lord and the laity.

    The Church has found it is better to keep priests moving from parish to parish every few years, perhaps for a few reasons, including the desire to prevent a cult of personality from building around a particular priest. This situation can put too much focus on the man rather than on the Gospel message. So, the Church prudently moves priests around. Can you imagine how much stress it would cause a priest to have to move his wife and family each time he is assigned to a new parish? Having a celibate priesthood also enables the bishop the full flexibility he needs to move priests around.

    To be able to lay his life down for his flock. Because a celibate priest does not have the obligation of a wife and children, he can give of himself more easily, including his own life, if necessary. For example, Blessed Damien de Veuster of Belgium was able to work with lepers on the island of Molokai, Hawaii, because of the freedom he had in being a celibate minister. This work eventually led to his contracting and dying from leprosy.

    It is a sign of contradiction and a great Christian witness to our society, which is flooded with sexually permissive messages. Celibacy surely gains the Catholic clergy a hidden respect from many people.

    It gives the priest greater credibility when he asks the laity to make sacrifices, because the laity knows that celibacy involves sacrifice.

    It helps the priest master his passions and also gives him more time for prayer, which is the lifeblood of any ministry.

    It enables a priest to be more objective when counseling married couples. Because he is not married, he is not going to project any personal marriage problems or biases onto the the couple he is counseling.

    In many cases it enables the priest to be a "spiritual father" to more people than he would as a married man (1 Cor. 4:15).

    It allows the Church to put the hundreds of millions of dollars it saves in priestly salaries to the evangelization and charitable assistance of a needy world. Although priests do receive salaries, they are much lower than they would have to be if they had families to support.

    It’s a foreshadowing that there will be no marriage in heaven (Mt. 22:30).
    No one is required to live a permanently celibate life (Mt. 19:12). The Church says that people are free to marry. In fact, the Church glorifies the married state. Only if one wants to become a priest, brother, or religious sister does he or she have to live a celibate life. The religious life, and the requirements that come with it, do not have to be chosen by anyone. However, when it is chosen, it needs to be followed in the manner our Lord and His Church requires. Sure, celibacy can be difficult, especially in this sexually permissive age. But if a priest has good seminary formation that strongly supports celibacy and if he stays close to our Lord in prayer, he will be able to turn this sacrifice into a wonderful aid to his work.

    Married Priests

  9. #4919
    Quote Originally Posted by Boyen View Post
    so ila gidid an ang pari sa pagminyo,, ug wala sila musunod sa bible bro? ky mga minyo man ang mga pari sa old testament

    naa bay makita nga verse sa bible nga dili sila dapat magmiyo bro?
    specifically bro, wala jud PERO bahin sa mga examples nga gibuhat ni Kristo
    ug sa iyang teachings sa ngalan sa pagpangalagad sa katawhan...
    mas maayo jud ug ang usa ka PARI walay kabilinggan.
    ug mao pud toy punto ni Apstle Paul nga mas maayo ang mangaladag sa Diyos undivided and unreserved.

    kung mangalagad sa katawhan isip pagkapari unya kinahanglanon ka sa imung anak ug asawa..di ba lisud?
    ingun pa sa Bible, you caanot serve 2 masters at the same time.
    diba atong asawa kay master man pud na? Lol aw commander ra diay...

    so if your question is, Does the Bible point out Specifics about Celibacy
    No it doesnt, But if your question is Biblical pa nang gi follow sa Catholic Church para sa mga pari nga dili magminyo.
    Yes Biblical Kaayo.

    about Priests having no choices regarding marriage.

    that is not entirely True, BUT the choices will have to be taken before ordination...
    most likely kung mag pari ang usa ka tao esp if dili philo grad
    mu take nag mga 10 years para ma pari jud...so in the span of 10 years...
    one should be able to make up his mind kung para Priesthood ba jud siya..
    which means He has 10 years worth of choices once nagstart Siya sa iyang vocation.

    now of course, wala nakay choice kung pari naka..'cause technically you have already made your choice.

    BUT Priesthood is NOT the only way to serve God and His people...
    perting daghana ug paagi bai...one doesn't have to be a priest to have a relationship with our Lord.

  10. #4920
    pa biyaan man gani ni Jesus ang tanan nga kabtangan ug papas-anon sa imong krus kung ganahan kang mo sunod ug mo serbisyo sa Dios...mao ra na ako e share bahin anang minyo2x sa pari...kay ma OT ta

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