Last edited by noy; 01-24-2013 at 10:29 PM.
I am still seeing DEBATES here .
I think I have not made myself clear here and still some thinks it is ok.
Cant you guys / gals get it ? Makawala man ni ug gana inyon gi buhat , should I be INFRACTING istoryans now or LOCK the thread aron pagan tanan ?
Dili pa ba klaro ang instructions nako ? A question will be answered by a CATHOLIC. Kung naa mo knowledge , go ahead share it but if it is outside the magisterium of the RCC , dont you guys think it is not appropriate at all ?
OT :
@SIODENZ ....
Thank you for your reply , unsa meaning ana UCCP by the way ?
@BREAKEVEN....
Thank you pod sa imohang reply acknowledging being a BAPTIST .
@ACESCREAM ....
I guess I will be telling this straight now to you since wala man jud nimo nalamdagi ang patapsing nako nimo . This thread is not for you to answer , samutan pa nimo ug mao ang tubag nimo because its a knowledge for all . True , its a knowledge for all in the perimeters of the RCC teachings , not from your BABYLON / WIFE / LAMB ek ek .
Second , if you only have the delicadeza to let MASTER K know that you are not in any position to answer his question unless you will answer him within the confines of the RCC teachings , that is fine. You are disrespecting me a the caretaker here and the entire RCC subscribers hereby SQUATTING. You can actually go and make your own thread where you can title it " BABYLON / WIFE / LAMB ek ek QUESTION and ANSWER PORTION " and I can guarantee you that you can shout out there what you THINK is the TRUTH and not what you THINK about RCC.
Lastly , you should address your questions as to pertaining to NOT really know the answer because you dont know the answer to start with. But you are only addressing something to create and deliver a DEBATE and ARGUMENT which really is not a problem with me but not here. Example sa imohang style na pangutana na steered in a direction heading for an ARGUMENT would be the recent one , should you be asking it this way ? " WHO IS ST. DISMAS ? " But because you are steering it to a destination of debate , I can easily answer you also , " NO I DONT KNOW WHO IS DIMAS , KINSA NA ? BUT I KNOW A CERTAIN SAINT DISMAS from both the Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Traditions ". Makes more sense eh ?
So I hope and by this time , syaro wala gihapon ka NAKASABOT nako ACESCREAM ?
Last edited by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40; 01-24-2013 at 11:19 PM.
" A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America
wala ko kahibalo kung na ask naba kini nga question dire ky murag taas na kaayo kun mag read pako from the start until this page...
ang akong question kay:
nganu dili man pwd mag minyo ang mga pari karun panahona kay sa old testament gud mga minyo man ang mga pari sa una,, ug mga minyo pod ang uban nga mga apostoles,,,,
para di ma divided ang attention sa pari, for the greater Glory of God, kay kong naay family ang pari dili full self ang mahatag sa pari.. well that's just the narrow explanation.
nara explanation sa wiki:
In this context, "celibacy" retains its original meaning of "unmarried". Though even the married may observe continence, abstaining from sexual intercourse, the obligation to be celibate is seen as a consequence of the obligation to observe perfect and perpetual continence for the sake of the Kingdom of heaven. Advocates see clerical celibacy as "a special gift of God by which sacred ministers can more easily remain close to Christ with an undivided heart, and can dedicate themselves more freely to the service of God and their neighbour."
so ila gidid an ang pari sa pagminyo,, ug wala sila musunod sa bible bro? ky mga minyo man ang mga pari sa old testament
naa bay makita nga verse sa bible nga dili sila dapat magmiyo bro?
Although the early Church allowed married clergy, the Church later came to see celibacy as a better example of the norm and model of Jesus priesthood.
In referring to celibacy, St. Paul says: "Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am, but each has a particular gift from God . . .Now to the unmarried and to widows I say: it is a good thing for them to remain as they are, as I do" (1 Cor. 7:7-. He goes on to say: "An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and he is divided" (1 Cor. 7:32-34).
Jesus said: "And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times more, and will inherit eternal life" (Mt. 19:29).
Celibacy is a discipline, not a dogma. This means that the Church could change the rule. In fact, there are a few instances when the Church has allowed married clergy, such as with some Eastern rite clergy and in the case of some Protestant ministers who converted to the Faith. These, however, are the exception.
It is unlikely that the Church will change this teaching at all, or any time soon, because of the many positive and practical benefits of celibacy. Here are 10 reasons why a celibate clergy makes good sense:
It leaves the priest free to more fully commit his life to the service of the Lord and the laity.
The Church has found it is better to keep priests moving from parish to parish every few years, perhaps for a few reasons, including the desire to prevent a cult of personality from building around a particular priest. This situation can put too much focus on the man rather than on the Gospel message. So, the Church prudently moves priests around. Can you imagine how much stress it would cause a priest to have to move his wife and family each time he is assigned to a new parish? Having a celibate priesthood also enables the bishop the full flexibility he needs to move priests around.
To be able to lay his life down for his flock. Because a celibate priest does not have the obligation of a wife and children, he can give of himself more easily, including his own life, if necessary. For example, Blessed Damien de Veuster of Belgium was able to work with lepers on the island of Molokai, Hawaii, because of the freedom he had in being a celibate minister. This work eventually led to his contracting and dying from leprosy.
It is a sign of contradiction and a great Christian witness to our society, which is flooded with sexually permissive messages. Celibacy surely gains the Catholic clergy a hidden respect from many people.
It gives the priest greater credibility when he asks the laity to make sacrifices, because the laity knows that celibacy involves sacrifice.
It helps the priest master his passions and also gives him more time for prayer, which is the lifeblood of any ministry.
It enables a priest to be more objective when counseling married couples. Because he is not married, he is not going to project any personal marriage problems or biases onto the the couple he is counseling.
In many cases it enables the priest to be a "spiritual father" to more people than he would as a married man (1 Cor. 4:15).
It allows the Church to put the hundreds of millions of dollars it saves in priestly salaries to the evangelization and charitable assistance of a needy world. Although priests do receive salaries, they are much lower than they would have to be if they had families to support.
Its a foreshadowing that there will be no marriage in heaven (Mt. 22:30).
No one is required to live a permanently celibate life (Mt. 19:12). The Church says that people are free to marry. In fact, the Church glorifies the married state. Only if one wants to become a priest, brother, or religious sister does he or she have to live a celibate life. The religious life, and the requirements that come with it, do not have to be chosen by anyone. However, when it is chosen, it needs to be followed in the manner our Lord and His Church requires. Sure, celibacy can be difficult, especially in this sexually permissive age. But if a priest has good seminary formation that strongly supports celibacy and if he stays close to our Lord in prayer, he will be able to turn this sacrifice into a wonderful aid to his work.
- Matthew Pinto
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