The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[dartzed]

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@dartzed



a. Aside from the ones quoted from an event where he actually spoke to the prophets, technically yes. For the others as you can see, they were quoted from a song or from a prayer or poem.

b. So the quoted ones that came from a song, a prayer or poem written in the Scriptures are not 'God's words'? a big NO. Even though God didn't say it Himself, they are still His words, for everything written in the Scriptures are 'breathed out by God'(2 Tim 3:16), not from the writer or author.

It's not logically wrong to say God spoke the words in the Holy Scriptures(Bible), for they are 'breathed out by God'(2 Tim 3:16), they were written in different manners coz he spoke to the old people through the prophets and in various ways(Heb 1), and was also written for the future generation at that time(Psalm 102:1. Simply put, God guided in the writing of the Holy Scriptures.

All the authors of the New Testament, including the author in Hebrews, have the same understanding about the authority of the Holy Scriptures(2 Tim :16), that's why they always don't go beyond what was written(1 Corinthians 4:6).



ang Bible sakto(2 Tim 3:16)not me, igo ra ko naghatag sa mga supporting passages para klaro jud nga naa sa Bible tanan(1 Corinthians 4:6), dili ni akoa rang opinion.

----Wala pa man tingale ka kabasa sa Hebrews mam, kay nakaingon man gud ka nga



If nakabasa ka sa Hebrews, wa may story diri, dili man ni story about God. The Epistle to Hebrews is a VERY LONG letter to the Hebrews. This is a letter for teaching purposes. So it's now clear the author is not creating his own story about God, but he is writing a letter to the Hebrews, for teaching purposes.



There is nothing wrong with Hebrews, to those who understand.

The author understood that the Scriptures are 'breathed out by God'(2 Tim 3:16), and with this understanding, the author doesn't have any doubts when he says that the words in the Scriptures are words of God Himself. That's why the author easily wrote 'God says' while quoting passages from the Scriptures, for he knows he didn't violate anything in the Scriptures, for when they write they strictly do not go beyond what is written(1 Corinthians 4:6). If you understand 2 Tim 3:16, you will see that it's not wrong to say 'God says' while quoting passages in the Bible.



lol what story? Have you really read Hebrews?

He is not writing a story, rather writing a VERY LONG letter to the Hebrews, for teaching purposes, for the Scriptures are good for teaching(2 Tim 3:16). The Bible is not composed of a single verse, that's why you need to read the article where the verse belonged to, so you won't misunderstand. As Apostle Paul said 'compare spiritual things with spiritual'(1 Corinthians 2:13).

And the Bible is not a story book. It's everything literature.



yes, its clear but you forgot "and in various ways" at the end(Hebrews 1:1). Don't just focus on two words.



yes they are in the Bible. You simply read them, without even giving an effort to understand(Matthew 13:14).

To further help you in your Bible study, here are the verses in Hebrews and where the quotes came from:
Hebrews 1:5 Psalm 2:7
Hebrews 1:5 2 Samuel 7:14; 1 Chron. 17:13
Hebrews 1:6 Deut. 32:43 (see Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint)
Hebrews 1:7 Psalm 104:4
Hebrews 1:9 Psalm 45:6,7
Hebrews 1:12 Psalm 102:25-27
Hebrews 1:13 Psalm 110:1
and always keep in mind 2 Tim 3:16.

P.S. Please, give effort to understand what you're reading, don't jump to conclusions and don't make assumptions your basis in faith. Investigate, search for God(Jeremiah 29:13). If passages are not clear or seems vague, feel free to ask, i'll answer with everything i can.

Good afternoon.

technically speaking weather it's in Psalm, Hebrews, or whichever passages in the bible you are telling me it's God's words, though imo ra gituyok2 ang storya pinaagi sa uban nga passages..

you said "yes, its clear but you forgot "and in various ways" at the end(Hebrews 1:1). Don't just focus on two words. "

I say yes it sure is in "various ways" it is written in the bible right? God may not be the one speaking it physically kay through his followers man still it is God's words all of it..

d nata maglibog2 pah..


Hebrews 1:5 Psalm 2:7
Hebrews 1:5 2 Samuel 7:14; 1 Chron. 17:13
Hebrews 1:6 Deut. 32:43
Hebrews 1:7 Psalm 104:4
Hebrews 1:9 Psalm 45:6,7
Hebrews 1:12 Psalm 102:25-27
Hebrews 1:13 Psalm 110:1

HEBREWS
1 Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.
2 But now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he made the universe and everything in it.
3 The Son reflects God's own glory, and everything about him represents God exactly. He sustains the universe by the mighty power of his command. After he died to cleanse us from the stain of sin, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God of heaven.
4 This shows that God's Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is far greater than their names.
5 For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: "You are my Son. Today I have become your Father. " And again God said, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son."
6 And then, when he presented his honored Son to the world, God said, "Let all the angels of God worship him."
7 God calls his angels "messengers swift as the wind, and servants made of flaming fire."
8 But to his Son he says, "Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. Your royal power is expressed in righteousness.
9 You love what is right and hate what is wrong. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you, pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else."
10 And, "Lord, in the beginning you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 11 Even they will perish, but you remain forever. They will wear out like old clothing.
12 You will roll them up like an old coat. They will fade away like old clothing. But you are always the same; you will never grow old."
13 And God never said to an angel, as he did to his Son, "Sit in honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies, making them a footstool under your feet."
14 But angels are only servants. They are spirits sent from God to care for those who will receive salvation.

if quoted rani sa old testament ang Hebrews as what you said then Hebrews will become a lie, why dha palang sa 1st verse niingon na gud ang author daan "Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways" plus kana pang uban highlighted nga blue above tells us it is God himself who said those..

These are God's words to his Son whom He also called God.. "God spoke in various ways" still it's his words and you can't bend that clarity explicitly told in Hebrews..

that is why we RC consider Jesus to be God also in union with the Father..

sorry dugay ko reply medyo na bz..

[dartzed]

Question: did God created us according to his image or did we created God according to our image?..

[slabdans]

So Christ cannot be found in Catholicism? Joke ra bro...

makita man Sio oi, minus lang gyud kaayo ug activities ba, parehas anang bible sharing para sad maki-ila gyud ta ug kinsa si Kristo...ang importante lang maka simba kada domenggo daug na

[noy]

@noy

OT: in reply to his accusations nga namugos ko and nakigdebate ko


taas kaayo ka gitype pero mao ra jud diay ni imo gusto ipasabut hehehe.

mao ni imo question sah:



niingon ta ka "Ayaw na tubaga" or any sentence nga in-ana, wala man sige ko balik2x tan-aw. So mao to, nitubag ko. Then mao ni ang answer nako:

"the name that God owns that He gave Jesus is the name 'Christ'(Acts 2:36)."

unya masabtan na nah? Igo na ba na para masabtan? Parehas ra gud sa equation 99 / 3 = 33. Nakasabot ka ngano 99 / 3 = 33? Unsa may kuwang para atong maklaro nga 99 / 3 = 33? Unsa may imo gigamit para masolve 99 / 3? Di ba nigamit kag 'formula'?

In-ana ra man pud ako gibuhat bai noy, giklaro ra man nako ang tubag sa imo pangutana sa Acts 2:36, mao daghan ang supporting facts, pareha ras algebra, dili ka kaadto sa saktong tubag kung dili nimo i-solve.

Wa man koy gibutang diha nga nagdepensa kos akong pagtoo, balik2x-kon pa na ninyo. Wala pud koy gipamugos diha naa ra jud nas mobasa kung motoo sila'g dili. Wa pud ko nakigdebate, igo ra ako giklaro ang tubag. Kung ikaw dili kabalo og math, unsaon nimo pagsure nga 99 / 3 = 33, dili 11? or dili 22? Wa jud koy gidepensaan, kay gipamugos na unta ta mo tanan diri ari ra mo sunod nako.

This is a free for all discussion, if naa moy wala nauyoni sa ako tubag, then correct it. I'm so open-minded basta naa lang jud moy lig-on nga facts nga maprovide og dili ninyo tumo2x, motoo ko oi. Wala man ko niana nga "Ayaw hilabti ako tubag ha". icorrect jud ninyo, i urge you pangitai og sayop. Nagsige nakog ingon sa mga latest posts nako nga "if naa moy dili mauyonan, i-correct" after nga giingnan ko namugos ko. So far wa may nangorehi. Unya kung walay nangorehi, unsa may buot ipasabot ana? Naa ra na ninyo mga readers.

So klaro na ba nga clarification ang method sa akong pagtubag? dili pagdepensa sa akong tinuohan.

Wala pud ko nakig-di ba ate, kay kung in-ana pa, nang-challenge unta ko. A debate should start in honor, it should be like this, "Iagi ta nig debate, sir, mam?" or "Would you accept my humble request for a debate?". Nabag-ohan ra mos inyo nakita, kay karon pa mo nakakita og in-ani nga style sa pagtubag, assume dayon nakigdebate na ko. Wa man gud mo kita jud og actual nga debate sa karaang panahon, kung kita pa mo, kaana mo nga dili ni debate ako gibuhat. Estudyante ra ko, dili ko designated faith defender kay mas maayo pa sila nako. If naay masaag diri nga kauban nako sa 'flock', makaila dayon siya nako pinaagi sa ako style, bisag dili pa mangutana. Ang tanan nga naay pagtoo sulod sa 'flock'(naa man puy walay pagtoo jud gud, sayang kaayo ila pagkaapil), in-ani og stlye, from teenager to oldies.

If naa moy mahatag nga lig-on kaayo nga fact, atong itest(1 Corinthians 2:13), den kung mopasar, atong dawaton. Simple.

P.S. If you still insist nga namugos ko og nakigdebate, iquote kung naa koy giingon. Giingnan man tika ato before. If wala kay maquote and you still insists, lahi na nah nga state of mind.

Good day.

i thought humana ta ani? Lol
anyway bai, of course indirect and perhaps basin gani dili ka aware nga imung way pagshare or unsa man gani na
nahulog ug disrespectful esp ngari nga thread...nga dili design para anang mga klase nga istorya...
like sa giingun ni master spring bai...you ask a question, then kung dili ka kauyon...its either you move on
or ask a follow up question for clarification..
the thing is, you are not asking questions for clarification? you are asking questions to correct whatever beliefs we have...
otherwise you wouldn't have other explanations would you
and you wouldn't even bother going down into details diba?

First, accusations about mistranslation of the English Bible.
2nd and most importantly about Jesus not being God

kahibaw man ka nga sa mga Katoliko Ginoo si Hesus..
kung para nimu dili..ok ra na kay imu man pud na...but to stress out your point about your POV and beliefs...its another story...
and that is exactly what is happening karun..

ka GETS ko bi ug unsa imung gusto ipaibut.. i just happen to disagree with it
can't we just agree to disagree?

when i said you insist or impose your POV does not mean you are LITERALLY doing it...
BUT the way you continue to discuss the details about your POV
MASKI pa ug kahibaw na ka nga nakasabut ra ko pero di lang ko mudawat kay firm man pud ko sa akong pagtuo sa pagtulon-ang Katoliko...

it's like telling our muslim brothers that it's OK to eat pork because our Bible says so:
Paul said, whatever you eat or drink, do it for the glory of God
but ang mga muslims di man mutoo ana, unya mupadayun pa ta ug share maski pa ug kahibaw nata nga di cla mutoo?
do you think naa pa ang respect diha? and do you think dili na form sa pag insist?

kung sharing bro, once or twice is enough..sharing raman kaha...
but kung cgehan nimu ug balik2x ESPECIALLY if dili HAOM sa Thread, unsa may tawag nimu ana?

tagaan taka ug example ha!

naay nangutana...Ginoo ba jud si Kristo?
mutubag mi,, uu kay mao ni mao na....
mushare ka gamay, para nako bai kay dili sya Ginoo...state reasons ug unsa pa na...
kung mutaas man gani ang diskorso...sharo naman pud ug dili ka kabantay nga imung ka istorya way plano mudawat sa imung POV...
so ang ending ana kung sharing raman gani diay unta...muingun nalang ta nga na hala...imu man pud na...
ok lets move on to another topic kay prehas man ta firm sa atong pagtuo...
but thanks sa mga info..at least we get to see another perspective...

ana ra unta...

ayg kabalaka bai, kung mutuyok akong ulo and ganahan ko muconsider nga si JEsus dili Ginoo...
ikaw or si Jovi akong i una ug PM. hahahaha

ug salamat sa imung concern if you think we Catholics are lost in believing that Jesus is God
but no thanks pud..'cause if you have proofs He isn't personally and as how the church is concerned
we also have proofs that He is.. if we go beyond this border of realization...
it is a violation already and a form of disrespect.
unless this thread is specifically for debates about beliefs...
unless this thread is about disproving beliefs...

diba gi PM taka ug Link sa discussion about sa trinity?knowledge about GOD?
imung ideas HAOM kaau ngadto nga thread ug topic..
pero nganu ari man jud ka mupost nga OFF TOPIC kaayo...
what does that tell you? unsa may pasabut ana?

for the Nth time, pwede mu move on na ta? i see your point, hope you see mine...
and Let's be happy!

Like i said about sa mga questions, no need to answer them as i understood them perfectly
those questions were raised in the same way you are raising your questions..
(naa na pud koy tubag ato daan)
and by raising those questions, kasabut ko nga firm pud ka sa imung pagtuo...
YES i Do not agree with your POV esp about Jesus but you have my respect for being FIRM. i hope you can do the same.

i hope ok na ta ani..

[noy]

How about kanang itrapo ang panyo sa imahen para daw makaayu ug sakit bro, is that remembering also?

I know di na teachings sa katoliko pero di ikalimod nga daghan tawo nagtuo ug nagbuhat ana.

personal way of venerating the Saints na sio.. esp if the said image of a saint or Jesus or blessed mother
have had miracles.

i personally do not do that however also not closing my doors about it
but di lang nako hilabtan ang ubang tao kung ing ana ilang paagi pag venerate
in the same way nga di ko manghilabut sa imu unsaon nimu pagdayeg imung uyab..hehe

veneration of Saints is a teaching of Catholic Church sio
but how saints are venerated is something personal.

[acescream]

@dartzed

technically speaking weather it's in Psalm, Hebrews, or whichever passages in the bible you are telling me it's God's words, though imo ra gituyok2 ang storya pinaagi sa uban nga passages..

you said "yes, its clear but you forgot "and in various ways" at the end(Hebrews 1:1). Don't just focus on two words. "

I say yes it sure is in "various ways" it is written in the bible right? God may not be the one speaking it physically kay through his followers man still it is God's words all of it..

d nata maglibog2 pah..


Hebrews 1:5 Psalm 2:7
Hebrews 1:5 2 Samuel 7:14; 1 Chron. 17:13
Hebrews 1:6 Deut. 32:43
Hebrews 1:7 Psalm 104:4
Hebrews 1:9 Psalm 45:6,7
Hebrews 1:12 Psalm 102:25-27
Hebrews 1:13 Psalm 110:1

HEBREWS
1 Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.
2 But now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he made the universe and everything in it.
3 The Son reflects God's own glory, and everything about him represents God exactly. He sustains the universe by the mighty power of his command. After he died to cleanse us from the stain of sin, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God of heaven.
4 This shows that God's Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is far greater than their names.
5 For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: "You are my Son. Today I have become your Father. " And again God said, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son."
6 And then, when he presented his honored Son to the world, God said, "Let all the angels of God worship him."
7 God calls his angels "messengers swift as the wind, and servants made of flaming fire."
8 But to his Son he says, "Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. Your royal power is expressed in righteousness.
9 You love what is right and hate what is wrong. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you, pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else."
10 And, "Lord, in the beginning you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 11 Even they will perish, but you remain forever. They will wear out like old clothing.
12 You will roll them up like an old coat. They will fade away like old clothing. But you are always the same; you will never grow old."
13 And God never said to an angel, as he did to his Son, "Sit in honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies, making them a footstool under your feet."
14 But angels are only servants. They are spirits sent from God to care for those who will receive salvation.

if quoted rani sa old testament ang Hebrews as what you said then Hebrews will become a lie, why dha palang sa 1st verse niingon na gud ang author daan "Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways" plus kana pang uban highlighted nga blue above tells us it is God himself who said those..

These are God's words to his Son whom He also called God.. "God spoke in various ways" still it's his words and you can't bend that clarity explicitly told in Hebrews..

that is why we RC consider Jesus to be God also in union with the Father..

sorry dugay ko reply medyo na bz..

ok ra mam hihi. Basaha lage mam tibuok Psalm 45 nga diha gikan ang giquote sa Hebrews 1:8-9. Klaro pud kaayo wa nimo basaha akong reply og tarong hahaha tungod ani nimo nga statement:

"God spoke in various ways" still it's his words and you can't bend that clarity explicitly told in Hebrews..

niana bitaw ko naapil pa gani sa imo giquote

Spoiler! 

So the quoted ones that came from a song, a prayer or poem written in the Scriptures are not 'God's words'? a big NO. Even though God didn't say it Himself, they are still His words, for everything written in the Scriptures are 'breathed out by God'(2 Tim 3:16), not from the writer or author.

ayaw kahadlok mam. Basa lang gud. Naa pud ni ai:

if quoted rani sa old testament ang Hebrews as what you said then Hebrews will become a lie, why dha palang sa 1st verse niingon na gud ang author daan "Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways" plus kana pang uban highlighted nga blue above tells us it is God himself who said those..

highlighted in blue: 'God spoke'. Focus na pud sa two words hahaha unsaon nalang ang many time and in many ways.

wa jud ka nibasa tarong sa ako reply mam, kay wa man gani ka ka mention 2 Tim 3:16 nga gisigi nakog balik2x, nasud gani nas imo giquote. Naa diha giingon nga ang mga Scriptures kay 'breathed by God', so mga pulong jud na sa Diyos bisag dili ang Diyos mismo ang nagsuwat. Mao nga pwede ra kaayo moingon ang nagsuwat sa Hebrews nga "God said" bisan pag lyrics pa nas kanta basta kay nakasuwat nas Biblia.

UG naa pud ni ai:

plus kana pang uban highlighted nga blue above tells us it is God himself who said those..

dayon highlighted in blue naa sa Heb 1:8-9 - "Therefore God, your God". Klaro kaayo bisag gamay wala jud nilili sa Psalms 45 kung diin na gikuha sa author sa Hebrews. Part sa usa ka wedding song, og ikaw mismo dili maka-imagine nga kantahon to sa Diyos hahaha. Niana lang jud ang author nga gisulti na sa Diyos kay pulong man sa Diyos tanan nga nakasulat sa Bibliya(2 Tim 3:16).

Ayaw lage kahadlok mam, open your book to Psalm 45. Ayaw kahadlok, breathe in breathe out then open your Holy Book to Psalm 45. Hadlok man ka mam oi di man kaha na mamaak imo Bibliya.

Magkatawa man ta mam oi, mura mag naay allergy sa Psalm 45. Sige ka, imong Bibliya makuwangan jud nag Psalm 45. Ayaw kahadlok. Maypang ni-like nibasa pa, ang gihatagan sa explanation wala.

Good afternoon.

[wenlove24]

How about kanang itrapo ang panyo sa imahen para daw makaayu ug sakit bro, is that remembering also?

I know di na teachings sa katoliko pero di ikalimod nga daghan tawo nagtuo ug nagbuhat ana.

para nako bro di ko motuo anang maayo tungod sa pahid. tungod siguro sa faith sa tao nga maayo siya pinaagi sa iyang pagsalig sa Ginoo. So gahum gihapon ni Lord ang hinungdan sa healing.

[noy]

I know many people ang wala kasabot about ana bro If we are to ask those who knew Sto Nino if they worshipped and consider it a god....daghan moangkon nga ginoo na pagkabata.

Mao pud ni akong sabot sa meaning sa idol bro...
*Someone who is adored blindly and excessively (ask most RCs if they knew the origin of sto nino)

Sometimes truth bisan unsa ka obvious, is suppressed because of the influence of religious traditions. But no matter how religious and devoted we are, truth will always prevail and will not compromise.

We should rather prefer to believe the word of God.

i see your point break and tinuod na juy wala makasabot. kaso unsa man nga relihiyon nga tanang myembro nakasabut jud?
But just because others are not able to understand
it doesnt mean nga sayop na diba?
ang pagpasabut break kay trabaho na sa mga Katoliko sama nako..
kung daghan man gani ang wa kasabut then we need to do a better job
BUT it doesnt mean nga kay abi naay wa kasabut SAYOP na nga practice or tradition.

sa una bitaw para nako, sayop ang musimba kay puro tsismis ra and gangatan(experienced first hand)..
wa ko kasabut sa essence sa pagsimba, SAKTO diay ko? dili diba?

about Truth break, we know no one can reach the level of Truth where we can conclude absolutes.
i hope in the same way that you do towards your RC brothers and sisters that you would also not entirely close your mind on these things, not necessarily nga you have to practice, or even accept it...just understand nganu naa ni...after all that is the purpose of this thread.

as a Catholic i don't agree with not making the sign of the cross..
but i have no problems with people who are practicing it and i also understood in my own way
nganu dili mu manguros and that is totally fine with me..

i would even not make the sign of the cross if i'm in a place or group of people nga maka offend sa uban
it doesn't mean nga ako gikauwaw or nagcompromise ko sa akong faith
but i'm a believer of respect jud towards other faith..basta wala lay insultohay ok ra ko to make adjustments.

i believe that the Holy Child "Sto.Nino" is Jesus sa iyang pagkabata..
it is a representation of one of Jesus' many depictions or images.
since mutoo man ko nga Jesus is God, therefore maski pag bata si Jesus,crucified, or resurrected na! Ginoo jud na
ingun pa sa Bible diba, Jesus is the same yeterday,today and tomorrow..hehehe..

[noy]

Hope di ko nimo ma misinterpret bro
i didnt say tanan pope is abusive or b****g.....i respect their authority. But if it conflicts with the teachings in the bible of course dili ko mouyon and i'll go for the truth.

you have a point bai, if binuhatan sa mga Evil nga Pope atong istoryahan
di na kinahanglan ug Bible break para mahibaw ta kung insakto ba...

but the problem with what you said"if it conflicts with the Bible" if you are referring to the practices and Catholic dogmas and doctrines...how would you know if a certain practice indeed conflicts with the Bible?

again it boils down to personal views..esp when we talk about Truth.

[noy]

@noy

good afternoon


Magbinisaya lang sad pud ko panagsa bai hehehe.

OT: Share2x pud ko gamay sa ako kaagi ha, hehehe.

RCC akong namat-an, og nitoo ko sauna nga si Kristo-Diyos. Dili man ingon nga dali ra kaayo ko nakabiya ana nga pagtoo, nga diretso2x lang. Lisod ang pagwakli sa pagtoo, kay mao nay gitudlo sa imo bata pa lang ka. Adto na ko nakaamgo pagkabasa nako sa gipangtudlo nilang Apostol Pablo og sa atong Ginoong Jesukristo nga nakasulat sa Balaang Kasulatan, akong i-share, pwede? Ayaw intawon laina'g sabot moana na pud nya og "nakigdebate" og "namugos":

*Gitodlo ni Apostol Pablo nga "magpabilin sa unsa may nakasulat."("Do not go beyond what is written.")(1 Cor 4:6)
*"ug ikompara ang espirituhanong kamatuoran sa espirituhanon"("Compare spiritual truths with spiritual")(1 Corinthians 2:13)
*Gitodlo sa atong Ginoong Hesus nga naay "mga pagtulon-an nga mugna lang sa tawo og gihimong balaod sa Diyos"("man-made ideas turned into commands of God")(Matthew 15:9)

Dili ako nagtudlo ana ha, sila Apostol Pablo og ang Ginoong Jesus, naa ra na ninyo kung motoo mo sa ilang gitudlo. Ang Apostol nagtudlo og mga teknik, ang Ginoo nagtudlo nga naay mga pagtulon-ang mugna ra sa tawo. Wa ko ni gipugos sa inyo ha, naa ra ninyo kung inyong dawaton ilang gitudlo. Basin lainon na pud nya kog sabot ani hahaha.

Ako klarohon ha nga igo ra ko nagshare sa unsa akong nakat-unan gikan sa Balaang Kasulatan, nga maoy nagtukmod kanako nga dili na motoo sa pagka-Diyos ni Kristo. Usbon ko, wala ko ni gipamugos. Malain na pud nya kog sabot hahaha magkabuang man pud tag explain.
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OnT: Salamat sa artikulo. Gibasa nako ang tibuok 'The Time is Unknown'. Ang gibasehan sa author sa iyang explanation, mao ang hypostatic union, pagtulun-an nga natukod sa Konsilyo sa Chalcedon(A.D. 451), dugay nang panahon gikan sa pagsaka ni Hesus sa langit og ang kinauwahian nga Apostol patay na.

Salamat bai & God bless.




P.S: Wala koy gidepensahan nga pagtoo ha, nagshare ra intawon ko. Lainon na pud nya kog sabot hehehe.

Ot:way blema na bai.. bast ba ing ani ta pirme...
kaso way point nga mag discuss pa ta further bahin ani kay prehas tang fix sa atong pagtuo...
atong pinaka Kristohanon nga mabuhat is pag respetar sa usag-usa isip hinigugma sa Ginoo..

i would agree that Lisud ilabay ang namat-ang pagtuo bai...
akong namat-an nga pagtuo kay evil ang Church, and that God doesn't care much about us..
obviously wala lang ko kasabut mao ing ato..Lol...now i believe exactly the opposite.
people are evil, not the church and her teachings, as i believe her teachings are from Only Author of Love.
and have concluded personally that Jesus is God and He cares and Saves.

God bless you too. points taken i apologize if in a any way i have misinterpreted your cause...
but i think we can both agree that it is undeniably Off Topic or at least not how the thread should go. hehehe