Manganak ta ug Daghan --- Archbishop Palma :)

[wenlove24]

“Bisan pa ug giaprobahan ang RH Bill, kadtung gusting manganak dili lamang usa, dili lamang duha pero tulo o upat, musalig lang kita kay Lord (Even with the passage of the RH Law, those who want to have children, not just one, not two but three or four, should put their trust in the Lord),”

multiply all you want, dont worry, trust in the Lord for He will provide.. to put it simply.. It doesn't sound like a very good advice to me..

Same dice being thrown over and over again. Except that no dots are etched on all sides.
Say perhaps I'm someone you trusted and told you that your girlfriend is cheating on you. How would you feel about it? What would you say right there and then?
Same thing with what's happening here. People burned the good bishop to a crisp bec. of what was published on paper. They never even bothered to seek the entire homily.
I used to love watching movies. Imagine if I watched one that didn't have sound or subtitles. I only see actions. Could I ever understand the story? Before we bring any reaction to his statements, we better get our facts straight and direct from the horse's mouth. And by that I mean asking for a transcript from his office or perhaps ask the paper itself to provide a printout of the whole sermon from beginning to end since it appears they have heard it.

[amingb]

We are supposed to born to be better not being deprived of wealth ... para sa akoa mas maau jud daghan anak ... but tungod aning victima tas kalisod pass lang sa daghan ug anak ...

[digitalsuperman]

And on another note and this is off-topic, I'm tired of people on their own pedestals questioning my spirituality, my relationship with my God. SOME people who don't practice religion have the most personal relationships with their God than those. If you're arguments are "he's against the Church, he must be against God, or he's not looking into his spirituality..", then there's something seriously wrong with you. I think that the most recent RH bill could in fact help our country at least educate the people- and yeah, I'm looking at the less fortunate, the less informed- on how to plan their family better. And I am seriously against an entity who seeks to take that away from the people by continuing to misinform them. It has nothing to do with my spirituality.

Brainwashed much?


EDIT: And oh, Good morning!

people like that always question your spirituality. they don't have anything to argue about and just question your spirituality, which is just stooping very low. there is no point in having discussions with those kind of mentalities, there is no point stooping that low. they always shove spirituality in your throat.

[digitalsuperman]

We are supposed to born to be better not being deprived of wealth ... para sa akoa mas maau jud daghan anak ... but tungod aning victima tas kalisod pass lang sa daghan ug anak ...

the RH Bill is never about sa limit sa imong anak. you can have as many anak as you can but as you said, if ka afford.
kaso lang, kadaghan raba sa masa kay bisan dili ka afford, magsige panganak and kasagaran ana unplanned. that is why kaninng RH Bill nabuhat para pud mo educate ani nila nga naay ways para ma avoid ning unplanned pregnancy.

ang issue ani kay si palma nag encourage man hinuon nga manganak ug daghan pero sama sa uban nga giingon diri naa man daw word nga "katong gusto" ra. aw syempre kita tanan nahan man tag daghan anak.pero ang question diha nganong iya man gi mention nga bisan napasar na ang RH Bill blah blah blah. samok kaayu ning ingon ani. napasar na gani ang balaud, pildi na gani sila sa ilang crusade, dili gihapon magpakahilum.

and dili tanan gusto magka anak maka afford. kita tanan gusto magka anak daghan.syempre.pero dili kita tanan maka afford. dapat ma educate na silag tarong kung base sa ilang ways and means pila dapat ka anak ilang makaya. dili lang kay pataka ug encourage nga manganak ug daghan kung gusto blah blah blah.. naa pa gyud toy giingon nga bahala nadaw si lord. tan-awa ragud na nga comment.

naa pud sige ingon diri nga before mo react dapat makahibaw sa tibuok homily. kapoya paminawon.sige balik-balik ana. why not post ang tibuok homily aron himayhimayon.

[rickflag]

murag init na ang lalis diri da. ato nalang daw ni i analyze objectively:

middle class family - income 25K/month
poor family - income less than 10k/month

pamilya 1 ray anak. - enrollment time butang ta lang 30K. for a middle class family puede ra ni i cash. sa mga poor mangutang pa sila para makabayad ani.

pamilya 2 ray anak. - enrollment time butang ta lang (30K each) so 60K. for a middle class family i'm sure mangutang na ani kay di kabayad ani nga amount in cash. sa mga poor family mangutang pod pero maabtan na guro ug next school year di pa kabayad.

pamilya 5 ray anak. - enrollment time butang ta lang (30K each) so 150K. for a middle class family i'm sure maglisud nag pangutang ani nga amount without collateral ug kung makautang man sad gani maglisud na ug bayad. unsa nalang kaha sa poor family.

now sa mga daghan ug anak unsa may ma happen? ang mahitabo pa banos banoson na lang ug escuela.

mao tawon na ubang anak moingon na lang sa ila parents nga undang na tawon mog panganak Tay.

[tingkagol]

Unwanted pregnancies? Hold on. Am i reading this correctly? You mean couples just "want" the *** and not the infant that could be formed through it? You mean a woman can give herself totally to her husband but refuse to share her womb to their children?

Yes, yes, and yes. Well, the last one can only be true if the choice was mutual (who cares anyway, it's HER choice that matters the most).

What STD? You mean HPV which only appears like a harmless mole that causes cervical cancer in women? STD happened in the first place bec. of promiscuity. Â*Think about that.Â*

...and promiscuity happens even in the absence of contraceptives.

A man who walks the redlight district wants a woman. He does not want a woman! He wants a release! Thereby reducing women to mere objects of pleasure. Â*Is that the kind of point you're trying to convey?Â*

Not the point I was trying to convey, but yes, a lot of people do that. Fact of life.

You on the other hand think that by banning contraceptives, being an "abomination" an all, you thereby rid the world of promiscuity. False.

[MI6]

binogo ang concepto ni palma pwera gaba! wa cya maghuna-huna na kanang mga bata nga naa sa mga aseras ug daplin sa dalan nagpuyo, inig dako ana naay dako nga chansa nga mahimo ng criminal kay sa kalisod sa ilang kinabuhi. nya kung mo taas na ang crime rate mo ana raba ni dayon ni cla na way gibuhat ang gobyerno para pagpakgang sa mga criminal.

oi! palma sunod na mag misa ka huna-hunaa usa daan imong e sulti archbishop paman sad ka! pwera gaba nimo oi!

[Xian120]

Same dice being thrown over and over again. Except that no dots are etched on all sides.
Say perhaps I'm someone you trusted and told you that your girlfriend is cheating on you. How would you feel about it? What would you say right there and then?
Same thing with what's happening here. People burned the good bishop to a crisp bec. of what was published on paper. They never even bothered to seek the entire homily.
I used to love watching movies. Imagine if I watched one that didn't have sound or subtitles. I only see actions. Could I ever understand the story? Before we bring any reaction to his statements, we better get our facts straight and direct from the horse's mouth. And by that I mean asking for a transcript from his office or perhaps ask the paper itself to provide a printout of the whole sermon from beginning to end since it appears they have heard it.

That's what they all say to justify what your dear Cardinal said, his claims are clear both personal and in paper. i listened to his Homily once as i am a churchgoer like yourself, and mostly what i hear are rants about the government and the infamous RH bill, it's mostly the same everywhere you go, priests talking s**t about the government and divorce and contraception to the unsuspecting crowd,. Do they even know in entirety what they are talking about? or perhaps it's all just a widespread rumor in the Archdiocesan community.. Listening to homilies nowadays i find is not very inspiring anymore as it used to be.. *sigh*

[digitalsuperman]

That's what they all say to justify what your dear Cardinal said, his claims are clear both personal and in paper. i listened to his Homily once as i am a churchgoer like yourself, and mostly what i hear are rants about the government and the infamous RH bill, it's mostly the same everywhere you go, priests talking s**t about the government and divorce and contraception to the unsuspecting crowd,. Do they even know in entirety what they are talking about? or perhaps it's all just a widespread rumor in the Archdiocesan community.. Listening to homilies nowadays i find is not very inspiring anymore as it used to be.. *sigh*

nawala na ang essence sa homily. dapat unta mo discuss sila sa ebanghelyo, himayhimayon aron masabtan ug tarong sa kataw-han. pero karon.sus ginoo. ilang homily kay mo tira na sa gobyerno. sa sige nakog simba gikapoy ko.naa pa gani toy sa sacred heart nga ni ingon pang pari sa iyang homily nga "inig gawas ninyo naay petition against RH Bill, palihug ug pirma sa petition".. amawa paria. ni undang ko'g simba oi. lols.

[Xian120]

nawala na ang essence sa homily. dapat unta mo discuss sila sa ebanghelyo, himayhimayon aron masabtan ug tarong sa kataw-han. pero karon.sus ginoo. ilang homily kay mo tira na sa gobyerno. sa sige nakog simba gikapoy ko.naa pa gani toy sa sacred heart nga ni ingon pang pari sa iyang homily nga "inig gawas ninyo naay petition against RH Bill, palihug ug pirma sa petition".. amawa paria. ni undang ko'g simba oi. lols.

Naa man pud bya mga pari nga nindot mo homily nga dili mag touch ani nga issue, but it's sad to know nga kasagaran jud atong madunggan is puro nlang yaw2, maihap nlang jud ang akong ma consider nga tarong and fit for all ages nga homily.. nasagulan na ug personal biases and opinions, hahaaaist..

hehe, paita pud anang papirmahon ug petition uy, naa man pud ni sa amoa, wa jud ko mopirma, haha, himo2 pud bitaw sila'g prayer para daw pag prevent sa passing sa RH bill, ahak sad nyaahaha.. now they seem to be telling the public to multiply as many as they wish and trust in the Lord, haha, is it for religious purposes or a sort of retaliation to current by-law? it could be the first or both but i could not help but think its more in the latter part..