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@noy

OT: in response to the question he asked me, with due respect from the mods, please allow me to answer his question to me.

who said anything about the bible should be LITERAL in all aspects?
you are referring to FUNDIES bai.

and TAKING the BIBLE way not too literal can be dangerous too..i hope you agree...
as one would end up making assumptions/wild guess/Fiction etc

what i am saying really is i would rather trust the church that can claim apostolic succession(you may wanna try searching about this)
about who Jesus really is apart from my personal experience with Him being God
over other interpretations/POV such as yours...

No doubt about your references bai, i'm sure they are indeed one of the greatest minds on this planet..
BUT doesn't ISLAM,AETHEISM and other belief systems have their own "great minds" as well?

so the question really is, what makes your POV a step higher than any of those that already existed?
like i said, there is no problem with your POV and whatever your belief is and wherever your faith lies..
as long as you DO NOT make it OFFICIAL and ABSOLUTE 'cause that is just plain DISRESPECTFUL.

about your credentials, ok ra na bai. no need to post them, my apologies for even asking them in the First place.
the question was raised/triggered when you were trying to IMPOSE that yours is the only POV that is correct.

if we take the BIBLE Literally as in literally, we would be a TRINITARIAN in the First place.

let's move on with questions instead of debates please.

hello bai noy. I'll answer this question because this is one of the questions that most people often ask, too.

so the question really is, what makes your POV a step higher than any of those that already existed?
like i said, there is no problem with your POV and whatever your belief is and wherever your faith lies..
as long as you DO NOT make it OFFICIAL and ABSOLUTE 'cause that is just plain DISRESPECTFUL.

In other words, am i speaking the truth?

The truth is very important. For one to be saved, it's essential to learn the truth(1 Tim 2:3-4). Now, where can we find the truth? The Holy Bible teaches us in 2 Timothy 3:16:

Spoiler! 

"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right." New Living Translation (©2007)

The truth can be found in the Scriptures(Holy Bible)(2 Tim 3:16), for it is God-breathed(in other versions)or inspired by God, therefore they are the words of God. What quality does the words of God written in the Holy Book have? The Holy Book teaches us in Hebrews 4:12:

Spoiler! 

"For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires."

and once God has spoken, he really makes it happen Isaiah 46:11:

Spoiler! 

"...Indeed, I've spoken; I will certainly make it happen; I've planned it; and I will certainly carry it out."

Maybe you have this question: So if they are God's words, does it have ALL the authority? Why can't we believe those teachings outside the Bible? Nothing is written there that that is the only basis of our faith.

Actually, Apostaul Paul taught us in 1 Corinthians 4:6:

"Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another."

Do not go beyond what is written(1 Corinthians 4:6), for the words of God are the truth written in the Scriptures(2 Tim 3:16).

Let's test the credibility of God's words, shall we..in Psalm 19:7:

"The instructions of the LORD are perfect, reviving the soul. The decrees of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple."

Maybe you have this other question: I grew up with the traditions in my faith, and is also the basis of my belief.

This is what Jesus taught us in Matthew 15:9:

"Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God."

That's why Apostle Paul said "Do not go beyond what is written."(1 Corinthians 4:6), backing up what Jesus taught us about fake commands of God, for they are just man-made ideas(Matthew 15:9).

That's why when questioning a teaching, you always ask "Where in the Bible?" or "What verse?" to test if what he's teaching is just His own idea, is it man-made, a rule of man, or is it really from God..as what Jesus taught us:

John 7:17-18 - " If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority. He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him."

If from the start you don't believe in the Holy Bible, then the truth is out of reach. The way i answer the questions asked to me, is by letting the Holy Bible answer, they're not my own ideas, it's not man-made, for i'm not here to seek my own glory, but to guide you in knowing the truth(Psalm 40:10). For the benefit of the doubt, i will give you these scripture guidelines taught by Jesus & the apostles to test the explanation i gave you:

1. the instrument of teaching is the Holy Book, for this contain the words of God(2 Timothy 3:16).

2. not going beyond what is written(1 Corinthians 4:6).

3. spiritual truths are compared with spiritual((I Cor 2:13) -> means no conflict in the verses used, the meaning is the same throughout. This is a very special bible principle provided by Apostle Paul, to avoid the "twisting" of the Scriptures.

when 1-3 is passed, then this will be passed:

4. it's not a man-made teaching or rule: Matthew 15:9 - "Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God."

(Since you are so meticulous about the credibilty of things, maybe my explanation above didn't satisfy you..& i think you're going to ask about why we should believe in the Holy Bible, but i'll explain that in a different post, for the sake of this post to not become very long.)

[noy]

@noy

Good morning,

Let's quote a specific part and compare it with the original: "your name, the name you gave me"

Greek text: ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί σου ᾧ δέδωκάς μοι

Transliteration(readable): en tō onomati sou hō dedōkas moi

literal translation(English): in the name of you, which you have given me,

The words coincide and the meaning was preserved, so John 17:11 from wherever this version was quoted from, was not mistranslated.

Were you confused about what i said before about english translations? Maybe you're thinking that i said that all English text translations are erroneous, and not even one is correct? Well, you thought wrong. Let me make it clear: What I mean is, every English bible is not able to translate ALL texts perfectly. Some are perfectly translated, while some are not. Another English version might help, for it might have translated correctly what was mistranslated in another version. As Catholic Answers' tip, you should not stick with one version of any english bible, you should compare it with another version

Spoiler! 

"In the end, there may not be a need to select only one translation of the Bible to use. There is no reason why a Catholic cannot collect several versions of the Bible, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of each. It is often possible to get a better sense of what is being said in a passage by comparing several different translations. "

Bible Translations Guide | Catholic Answers

John 17:11 can be easily misunderstood in two ways:

a. Those who know God's divine name, YHVH, think that this name was given to Jesus, were in fact, you won't read it anywhere in the Holy Book that He's using that name.

b. Those who don't know God's name, and just know Him by the name 'God', think that God gave him the name 'God', thus making Him God. Where in fact you won't read anywhere in the Holy Book that Jesus is using that name. FYI: When you're calling God 'God', you're calling him in the name of His being, a god, not in His own divine name, YHVH.

God's divine name written in the Scriptures is YHVH(יְהוָ֑ה), a tetragrammaton, and Jews make it a taboo to say that name:

"...the fact that the utterance of the divine name, in original quadrilateral form(the tetragrammaton) YHWH, became unlawful in Jewish usage..."(The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Vol. VI)

, for fear of God's punishment when His name is misused(Exodus 20:7).

John 17:11 is a part of His prayer to God for his disciples. Nowhere in the HB you can see that Jesus addressed God in His divine name, YHVH, instead addressed Him as 'Father'. For Jesus taught us how to address our Lord God - Father or Lord(Mt 6:9, Acts 4:24).

God's divine name is YHVH. Nowhere in the Holy Bible you will see Jesus was called YHVH by his disciples & followers.



Take a look again in John 17:11....

"...by the power of your name, the name you gave me..."

God gave it to Him, so God owns it. Since we found out that He didn't give Jesus his divine name, what name was it that only God can give to our Lord Jesus, and not by anyone else?

The Holy Bible will answer us in Acts 2:36:

Acts 2:36 - ""All the people of Israel should know beyond a doubt that God made Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)

God gave Jesus the name 'Christ', hence His name, Jesus Christ(John 17:3).

God owns the name 'Christ', for He is the only one with the sole right to give that name to His chosen one(Acts 2:36), nobody else can give Jesus that name, and there is no other name that was given for our salvation(Acts 4:10-12).

To sum up, the name that God owns that He gave Jesus is the name 'Christ'(Acts 2:36).

For the benefit of the doubt, i will give you these scripture guidelines taught by Jesus & the apostles to test the explanation i gave you:

1. the instrument of teaching is the Holy Book, for this contain the words of God(2 Timothy 3:16).

2. not going beyond what is written(1 Corinthians 4:6).

3. spiritual truths are compared with spiritual((I Cor 2:13) -> means no conflict in the verses used, the meaning is the same throughout

when 1-3 is passed, then this will be passed:

4. it's not a man-made teaching or rule: Matthew 15:9 - "Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.'"

If you still have questions, feel free to ask.

God bless.

Good afternoon

bro, i really appreciate the effort but again for the Nth time...
it is only your POV.. Muslims could have other interpretations about that verse and believe that their interpretation is right
in the same way, we Catholics and Christians believe Jesus is God.

ayaw kaau palabi ug pa official sa imung POV kay at the end of the day, wala jud ka kahibaw kung sakto ba jud ka! you can say the same thing to me and to others...

mao way kaso kung mao nang imung pagsabut ug mao nay truth para nimu...walay nagkiglalis nimu diri bahin sa imung truth, imoha man pud na...no one has the right to take that away from you...
PERO ayaw lang nag ipamugos nga mao nay insakto ug kinatibuk.ang TINUOD...
Unless you are ALL KNOWING..na hala

No further questions as these type of discussions are OT anyway.
PLUS you should be the one asking kay this is a question for RCC..
you are not in the position to IMPOSE youf beliefs and POV.
sharing and imposing are 2 different things bro.

[SioDenz]

i see.. nya wat man emoh reason y join you aneh nga tread?? if you don't mind lang ha, ..

Mangutana kay mao may topic para makabalo sad sa Official stand sa Church ug sa understanding sa mga igsoon natung katoliko. Sa una muabot sa Debate which is OT ug di dapat, Mao nga maningkamot nga question question ra.



Ois, mangutana ko nimu ha kay ma OT nya ko..

Katoliko ka?

[noy]

@noy

OT: in response to the question he asked me, with due respect from the mods, please allow me to answer his question to me.



hello bai noy. I'll answer this question because this is one of the questions that most people often ask, too.



In other words, am i speaking the truth?

The truth is very important. For one to be saved, it's essential to learn the truth(1 Tim 2:3-4). Now, where can we find the truth? The Holy Bible teaches us in 2 Timothy 3:16:

Spoiler! 

"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right." New Living Translation (©2007)

The truth can be found in the Scriptures(Holy Bible)(2 Tim 3:16), for it is God-breathed(in other versions)or inspired by God, therefore they are the words of God. What quality does the words of God written in the Holy Book have? The Holy Book teaches us in Hebrews 4:12:

Spoiler! 

"For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires."

and once God has spoken, he really makes it happen Isaiah 46:11:

Spoiler! 

"...Indeed, I've spoken; I will certainly make it happen; I've planned it; and I will certainly carry it out."

Maybe you have this question: So if they are God's words, does it have ALL the authority? Why can't we believe those teachings outside the Bible? Nothing is written there that that is the only basis of our faith.

Actually, Apostaul Paul taught us in 1 Corinthians 4:6:

"Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another."

Do not go beyond what is written(1 Corinthians 4:6), for the words of God are the truth written in the Scriptures(2 Tim 3:16).

Let's test the credibility of God's words, shall we..in Psalm 19:7:

"The instructions of the LORD are perfect, reviving the soul. The decrees of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple."

Maybe you have this other question: I grew up with the traditions in my faith, and is also the basis of my belief.

This is what Jesus taught us in Matthew 15:9:

"Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God."

That's why Apostle Paul said "Do not go beyond what is written."(1 Corinthians 4:6), backing up what Jesus taught us about fake commands of God, for they are just man-made ideas(Matthew 15:9).

That's why when questioning a teaching, you always ask "Where in the Bible?" or "What verse?" to test if what he's teaching is just His own idea, is it man-made, a rule of man, or is it really from God..as what Jesus taught us:

John 7:17-18 - " If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority. He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him."

If from the start you don't believe in the Holy Bible, then the truth is out of reach. The way i answer the questions asked to me, is by letting the Holy Bible answer, they're not my own ideas, it's not man-made, for i'm not here to seek my own glory, but to guide you in knowing the truth(Psalm 40:10). For the benefit of the doubt, i will give you these scripture guidelines taught by Jesus & the apostles to test the explanation i gave you:

1. the instrument of teaching is the Holy Book, for this contain the words of God(2 Timothy 3:16).

2. not going beyond what is written(1 Corinthians 4:6).

3. spiritual truths are compared with spiritual((I Cor 2:13) -> means no conflict in the verses used, the meaning is the same throughout. This is a very special bible principle provided by Apostle Paul, to avoid the "twisting" of the Scriptures.

when 1-3 is passed, then this will be passed:

4. it's not a man-made teaching or rule: Matthew 15:9 - "Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God."

(Since you are so meticulous about the credibilty of things, maybe my explanation above didn't satisfy you..& i think you're going to ask about why we should believe in the Holy Bible, but i'll explain that in a different post, for the sake of this post to not become very long.)

no intentions in spoiling your effort bro, but all i see is a POV..
you are speaking about what is true for you and not what is absolute.'
plus you are starting to disrespect our Catholic views.
sharing is good but imposing your belief is a violation.

imagine what would you feel if i would walk right through your church
and ingnun ta mu nga SAYOP man nang inyo oi!
would you still consider that as SHARING? well an offensive and disrespectful sharing perhaps..

unless, it has been officially agreed nga mag discuss ta kabahin anang mga butanga...
this thread is for learning and understanding RCC practices and questions..
not for debate.

you don't have to accept or argue with everything you get from this thread.
unless an honest follow up question is necessary for clarification.

kung naa kay pangutana kay wa naa kay ganahan masabtan/mahibaw.an bahin sa RCC
pangutana diri...
but if ganahan ka mangutana tungod kay gusto kag debate lahi na pud na.

the questions i raised were not really questions that needs to be answered but as points to ponder..
except for the personal ones.

anyhow, pwede move on na ta? kanang normal nga Q and A and naay mga follow up questions for clarification...
ana lang...kapoy man gud nang ing-ani nga style bai..

[Breakeven]

Balik ta sa questions mga brods

Gimingaw nasad kog Cebu, wala jud ko kaabot sa sinulog......heheh.
Bitaw sa una ganahan kayo ko mosuroy basta sinulog but there was a time naka question ko ba about Sto. Nino, kinsa/unsa ni sya nga idol? coz if we really about the righteousness of Jesus Christ, tingali makaingon ta nga dili jud sya makauyon sa Sinulog festival especially the drinking and wasting that happend ani nga celebration.

Akong question:
1) What is the origin of Sto Nino?
2) Is this kind of festival follows the teachings of Jesus?

[mj.pocholo]

2) Is this kind of festival follows the teachings of Jesus?

Definitely not, its a tradition...i think!

[acescream]

@noy

Good afternoon

bro, i really appreciate the effort but again for the Nth time...
it is only your POV.. Muslims could have other interpretations about that verse and believe that their interpretation is right
in the same way, we Catholics and Christians believe Jesus is God.

ayaw kaau palabi ug pa official sa imung POV kay at the end of the day, wala jud ka kahibaw kung sakto ba jud ka! you can say the same thing to me and to others...

mao way kaso kung mao nang imung pagsabut ug mao nay truth para nimu...walay nagkiglalis nimu diri bahin sa imung truth, imoha man pud na...no one has the right to take that away from you...
PERO ayaw lang nag ipamugos nga mao nay insakto ug kinatibuk.ang TINUOD...
Unless you are ALL KNOWING..na hala

No further questions as these type of discussions are OT anyway.
PLUS you should be the one asking kay this is a question for RCC..
you are not in the position to IMPOSE youf beliefs and POV.
sharing and imposing are 2 different things bro.

it's ok bai noy, no hard feelings. I understand.

ayaw kaau palabi ug pa official sa imung POV kay at the end of the day, wala jud ka kahibaw kung sakto ba jud ka! you can say the same thing to me and to others...

i don't know why you said this is official, never would you see there that i wrote "This is the official truth." Maybe in the way it is written(mura'g pro? hehehe)? But still, thank you, for once it crossed your mind that what i wrote is of high-caliber, for i never thought it is.

mao way kaso kung mao nang imung pagsabut ug mao nay truth para nimu...walay nagkiglalis nimu diri bahin sa imung truth, imoha man pud na...no one has the right to take that away from you...

sakto ka bai noy, wala'y nakiglalis nako, og wala pud koy kalalis. Igo ra ko nitubag sa imo pangutana:

what did Jesus mean when He said "the name you gave me" ?

You asked, I simply answered.

PERO ayaw lang nag ipamugos nga mao nay insakto ug kinatibuk.ang TINUOD...

wala man ko namugos, wala koy gisuwat nga "You should believe this! Nothing else is the truth!" Wala. Sige lang, magpina-
Ripley's ko next time para dili ko mamisunderstood.

Unless you are ALL KNOWING..na hala

Dili man gani all-knowing si Jesus nga Ginoo natong tanan(Mark 13:32), how much more a mere student that I am.

No further questions as these type of discussions are OT anyway.
PLUS you should be the one asking kay this is a question for RCC..

Ni-ask man gud ka nako:

what did Jesus mean when He said "the name you gave me" ?

you are not in the position to IMPOSE youf beliefs and POV.
sharing and imposing are 2 different things bro.

im·pose - Force (something unwelcome or unfamiliar) to be accepted or put in place: "the decision was theirs and was not imposed on them".

Yes bai noy, i wasn't imposing, for you didn't see me force what i shared in any way, and if there is, kindly quote the imposing statement from what i have written.

I was just simply answering your question:

what did Jesus mean when He said "the name you gave me" ?

God bless.

[noy]

Balik ta sa questions mga brods

Gimingaw nasad kog Cebu, wala jud ko kaabot sa sinulog......heheh.
Bitaw sa una ganahan kayo ko mosuroy basta sinulog but there was a time naka question ko ba about Sto. Nino, kinsa/unsa ni sya nga idol? coz if we really about the righteousness of Jesus Christ, tingali makaingon ta nga dili jud sya makauyon sa Sinulog festival especially the drinking and wasting that happend ani nga celebration.

Akong question:
1) What is the origin of Sto Nino?
2) Is this kind of festival follows the teachings of Jesus?

post lang ko links break

history of Sto.Nino (representation of the child Jesus) Holy Child
Child Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

history of Sinulog
Sinulog festival - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the main reason why this Festval exists is remembering that we(Filipinos) were pagans once
and accepted Christiany and with this new faith, we rejoice.

the drinking,parties and getting wasted are just how people celebrate i guess
though i personally find them inappropriate...
i mean we can drink and celebrate right?why do we have to get wasted? definitely a miss on why this Festival existed in the First place.
what does Jesus think about the getting wasted part? i'd rather not say...
kay kahibaw naman guro ta tanan unsay tubag..hihihi

does it follow the literal teachings of Jesus? of course you woudn't see that in the Bible that Jesus said pagsinulog mu..hehehe
but does Sinulog offend Jesus? i don't think so esp the events or the things we do that focuses on the Sto.nino as an act of Thankfulness to God for bringing Christianity to us through the Spaniards who according to History brought the first image of the Holy Child.

and break, Sto. Nino is not an idol.

[noy]

@noy


it's ok bai noy, no hard feelings. I understand.



i don't know why you said this is official, never would you see there that i wrote "This is the official truth." Maybe in the way it is written(mura'g pro? hehehe)? But still, thank you, for once it crossed your mind that what i wrote is of high-caliber, for i never thought it is.



sakto ka bai noy, wala'y nakiglalis nako, og wala pud koy kalalis. Igo ra ko nitubag sa imo pangutana:



You asked, I simply answered.



wala man ko namugos, wala koy gisuwat nga "You should believe this! Nothing else is the truth!" Wala. Sige lang, magpina-
Ripley's ko next time para dili ko mamisunderstood.



Dili man gani all-knowing si Jesus nga Ginoo natong tanan(Mark 13:32), how much more a mere student that I am.



Ni-ask man gud ka nako:





im·pose - Force (something unwelcome or unfamiliar) to be accepted or put in place: "the decision was theirs and was not imposed on them".

Yes bai noy, i wasn't imposing, for you didn't see me force what i shared in any way, and if there is, kindly quote the imposing statement from what i have written.

I was just simply answering your question:



God bless.

perhaps you were not aware bai

sa kinasugdan pa lang, when questions are answered from Catholics POV
you would always assert your POV as well( this is a question for RCC thread) technically answers would be based from RC's POV
what do you call your assertion? sharing? ok once or twice..granted that clarifications were needed...
but reaching to a point nga posting your claims about bible text were not mistranslated...and other stuff...again what do you call that?

Like i said the questions i raised were points to ponder in hope that my point would reach out to you
though i know it did but since lahi man ka ug POV...dili muduot...same pud sa ako...mao di moduot sa ako imu gipang istorya...

AND should have been the end of our conversation in the first place( agreeing to disagree)

murag ing ani man gud ang nahitabo bai...
nag ask ka? we answered with our Catholic views as how the thread goes
dayun ikaw nga nag ask tungod kay wa ka kauyon or worse naa man diay lain nga salabutan...
mu insist nga sayop ang amung tubag kay mao ni mao na...
What do you call that assertion? is it still sharing?

Like i said earlier, i think you are not subscribing with this thread for Q and A
kay naa naman diay kay idea imu
but for the sake of comaparison, ok ra pud nga mu ask ka for our views
pero kung imu i insist (not literally but by asserting your POVs despite questions have been answered) that is clearly another story.
again may unta to ug for clarification....for defense man sa imung tinuhoan gud...mao na akong pasabut.

you asked, we answered
then you argue kay lahi imung pagtuo...unsa man diay tawag nimu ana?

the reason i said nga murag imung gihinmung official imung pagtuo
kay tan.awa lang ang thread daan...unya naa ka diri nagkiglalis nga sakto imu? sayop amu
though dili directly but pina sharing2x sa imung interpretasyon? back read gani bai...you'd know what i mean
ug yes,,,na hala...murag pro pud..hihihi

likewise no hard feelings.

[slabdans]

wala lage na problema as long as kana nga tawo nag too nga si Hesukristo ang atong bugtong manluluwas.

padayon ta sa mga pangutana bahin sa katoliko...salamat ug maayong gabie