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[SioDenz]

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Basaha lang Iyang self-manifestation sa Wedding in Canaa bro. He did not, at the beginning wish to reveal His Divinity bec. His hour had not yet come. But through His mother's intercession, "They have no more wine." He granted her request with her telling them, "Do whatever He tells you."

can you post the verse? so mao nay pinaka lig on na proof para nimu? or is that maoy official explanation sa Vatican?

[wenlove24]

can you post the verse? so mao nay pinaka lig on na proof para nimu? or is that maoy official explanation sa Vatican?

John 2:1 onwards...

[slabdans]

OT -na hala lalisa gyud ninyo

[acescream]

@noy

if you see it that way. then ing-ana jud na...wala tay mahems...kung muingun pud ta nga mao nay gisuwat sa Bible or the Bible offers obvsious clues about Jesus being God
muingun poud ka nga sayop ang pagstranslate...ano ba talaga koya? Lol
wa tay dag-anan aning kalakiha...hahaha
like i said you may wanna try searching about apostolic succession bai.


na hala kini nalang nga verse:sa John 17:11


"I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. "


what did Jesus mean when He said "the name you gave me" ?


ok basin nasayop or gisayop lang ug sa nagtranslate from greek to other languages...
and amazing kaayo sah? sa ka advanced sa atong technology today...wala jud ni na correct?
of course naay assumptions/attemps to discredit it...like what you are doing right now...
BUT let's face it...IT IS not as OFFICIAL as how the BIBLE was and is today..

Good morning,

Let's quote a specific part and compare it with the original: "your name, the name you gave me"

Greek text: ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί σου ᾧ δέδωκάς μοι

Transliteration(readable): en tō onomati sou hō dedōkas moi

literal translation(English): in the name of you, which you have given me,

The words coincide and the meaning was preserved, so John 17:11 from wherever this version was quoted from, was not mistranslated.

Were you confused about what i said before about english translations? Maybe you're thinking that i said that all English text translations are erroneous, and not even one is correct? Well, you thought wrong. Let me make it clear: What I mean is, every English bible is not able to translate ALL texts perfectly. Some are perfectly translated, while some are not. Another English version might help, for it might have translated correctly what was mistranslated in another version. As Catholic Answers' tip, you should not stick with one version of any english bible, you should compare it with another version

Spoiler! 

"In the end, there may not be a need to select only one translation of the Bible to use. There is no reason why a Catholic cannot collect several versions of the Bible, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of each. It is often possible to get a better sense of what is being said in a passage by comparing several different translations. "

Bible Translations Guide | Catholic Answers

John 17:11 can be easily misunderstood in two ways:

a. Those who know God's divine name, YHVH, think that this name was given to Jesus, were in fact, you won't read it anywhere in the Holy Book that He's using that name.

b. Those who don't know God's name, and just know Him by the name 'God', think that God gave him the name 'God', thus making Him God. Where in fact you won't read anywhere in the Holy Book that Jesus is using that name. FYI: When you're calling God 'God', you're calling him in the name of His being, a god, not in His own divine name, YHVH.

God's divine name written in the Scriptures is YHVH(יְהוָ֑ה), a tetragrammaton, and Jews make it a taboo to say that name:

"...the fact that the utterance of the divine name, in original quadrilateral form(the tetragrammaton) YHWH, became unlawful in Jewish usage..."(The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Vol. VI)

, for fear of God's punishment when His name is misused(Exodus 20:7).

John 17:11 is a part of His prayer to God for his disciples. Nowhere in the HB you can see that Jesus addressed God in His divine name, YHVH, instead addressed Him as 'Father'. For Jesus taught us how to address our Lord God - Father or Lord(Mt 6:9, Acts 4:24).

God's divine name is YHVH. Nowhere in the Holy Bible you will see Jesus was called YHVH by his disciples & followers.

what did Jesus mean when He said "the name you gave me" ?

Take a look again in John 17:11....

"...by the power of your name, the name you gave me..."

God gave it to Him, so God owns it. Since we found out that He didn't give Jesus his divine name, what name was it that only God can give to our Lord Jesus, and not by anyone else?

The Holy Bible will answer us in Acts 2:36:

Acts 2:36 - ""All the people of Israel should know beyond a doubt that God made Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)

God gave Jesus the name 'Christ', hence His name, Jesus Christ(John 17:3).

God owns the name 'Christ', for He is the only one with the sole right to give that name to His chosen one(Acts 2:36), nobody else can give Jesus that name, and there is no other name that was given for our salvation(Acts 4:10-12).

To sum up, the name that God owns that He gave Jesus is the name 'Christ'(Acts 2:36).

For the benefit of the doubt, i will give you these scripture guidelines taught by Jesus & the apostles to test the explanation i gave you:

1. the instrument of teaching is the Holy Book, for this contain the words of God(2 Timothy 3:16).

2. not going beyond what is written(1 Corinthians 4:6).

3. spiritual truths are compared with spiritual((I Cor 2:13) -> means no conflict in the verses used, the meaning is the same throughout

when 1-3 is passed, then this will be passed:

4. it's not a man-made teaching or rule: Matthew 15:9 - "Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.'"

If you still have questions, feel free to ask.

God bless.

[acescream]

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Thank you sir newbie.86.

Let's always keep in mind what Apostle Peter taught us as Christians:

1 Peter 3:15-16 - "15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander."

[Boyen]

so do you mean bro nga ang GOD the FATHER ug si JESUS dili usa kundi duha? ug si JESUS dili DIYOS?

muboa lag explaine bro para maabtan dayun nako,,, binisay-a lang kay samot dita kasabot kun imo e english

[acescream]

@Boyen

OT: answer to OnQuestion, with due respect sa mga mods, please give me a chance to answer the questions asked to me, if it's ok. You're free to correct the answer if you think that i have given him wrong information.

Cenxa karon pa akong manners, kana laging noob kau ta aning mga forum2x.

so do you mean bro nga ang GOD the FATHER ug si JESUS dili usa kundi duha? ug si JESUS dili DIYOS?

muboa lag explaine bro para maabtan dayun nako,,, binisay-a lang kay samot dita kasabot kun imo e english

challenging nang mubo nga explanation pero i'll try my best bro.

Gitudlo sa atong Ginoong Hesukristo nga usa ra ang matuod nga Diyos og iyang gipadala si Hesukristo dinhi sa yuta(John 17:3). Gikan ani nga kamatuoran, gitudlo pud niya nga ang gipadala dili molabaw sa nagpadala kaniya(John 13:16). Para mapamatud-an na niya iyang gitudlo, iyang gidawat ang Diyos, ang Amahan, nga iyang Diyos(John 20:17).

Og kana nga kamatuoran bahin sa atong Ginoong Hesukristo kay way lipud2x nga mudoyog sa kamatuoran nga giingon sa atong Ginoong Diyos nga Siya lang ang Diyos og wala nay lain pa.(Isaiah 45:5).

Maayung hapon.

[maO kHa]

Non Catholic

i see.. nya wat man emoh reason y join you aneh nga tread?? if you don't mind lang ha, ..

[Breakeven]

@acescream

bro, nice kayo imong explaination samot na apilan nimo ug greek/hebrew translation heheh....scholarly kayo.
For my part and as a Christian, I always accept the Lord Jesus Christ as the second person of the Godhead.

challenging nang mubo nga explanation pero i'll try my best bro.

Gitudlo sa atong Ginoong Hesukristo nga usa ra ang matuod nga Diyos og iyang gipadala si Hesukristo dinhi sa yuta(John 17:3). Gikan ani nga kamatuoran, gitudlo pud niya nga ang gipadala dili molabaw sa nagpadala kaniya(John 13:16). Para mapamatud-an na niya iyang gitudlo, iyang gidawat ang Diyos, ang Amahan, nga iyang Diyos(John 20:17).
John 17
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Lisud jud bitaw matugkad ang mystery sa Godhead bro. Consider that Jesus Christ has 2 nature, fleshly and divine.
Kani nga passage sa akong sabot sad, it talks about how the Father and the Son glorify each other. Kana kay nakig-istorya si Jesus Christ with the Father in such manner, meaning that He alone has the authority given as the only begotten Son. Therefore His essence is also GOD. Because if the Son has not co-existed with the Father, before the creation kinsa may ka fellowship/ka-istorya sa Amahan kung created lang ang God the Son?

Og kana nga kamatuoran bahin sa atong Ginoong Hesukristo kay way lipud2x nga mudoyog sa kamatuoran nga giingon sa atong Ginoong Diyos nga Siya lang ang Diyos og wala nay lain pa.(Isaiah 45:5).

Maayung hapon.

GOD will remain an imaginary being kung wala sya nagreveal in the person of Jesus Christ.

There are considerable verses/passages about the deity of Christ also.

Bible verses that show Jesus is Divine | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Col. 2:9 - "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
Heb. 1:8 - "But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."

[maO kHa]

If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.. Matthew 21:22

With your words we are warned, and by keeping them we are rewarded .. Psalms 19:11