The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[SioDenz]

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A lot of phenomena occured within the church and again , it is associated with personal vested / greedy interest. That is why , anything claimed as a MIRACLE undergoes such critical investigation for documentation .

A body or committee is formed composed of panel of experts within the church also does this kay pwerting daghanang claims na hoax diay.

unsa say gamiton sa Church pag determine sa isa ka Miracle? mugamit ba sad sila ug Science? or new technology?

Di na OT kay 3 ka "?" akong gigamit ana

[Breakeven]

A lot of phenomena occured within the church and again , it is associated with personal vested / greedy interest. That is why , anything claimed as a MIRACLE undergoes such critical investigation for documentation .

A body or committee is formed composed of panel of experts within the church also does this kay pwerting daghanang claims na hoax diay.

Sakto jud ka @mods kay naay mga "so-called" miracles, I dont know the details like nihilak nga statue in which dili diay tinuod or hoax ra. Sakto jud needs thorough investigation coz this will lead people away from the truth.

[acescream]

@dartzed

hmmmmmmm if mao na ang pasabot nimo quoted ra d i ni tanan meaning kana tanan gisulti dha sa hebrews are not God's words but someone else's words to God?.. correct me if i'm wrong here...

a. Aside from the ones quoted from an event where he actually spoke to the prophets, technically yes. For the others as you can see, they were quoted from a song or from a prayer or poem.

b. So the quoted ones that came from a song, a prayer or poem written in the Scriptures are not 'God's words'? a big NO. Even though God didn't say it Himself, they are still His words, for everything written in the Scriptures are 'breathed out by God'(2 Tim 3:16), not from the writer or author.

It's not logically wrong to say God spoke the words in the Holy Scriptures(Bible), for they are 'breathed out by God'(2 Tim 3:16), they were written in different manners coz he spoke to the old people through the prophets and in various ways(Heb 1), and was also written for the future generation at that time(Psalm 102:1. Simply put, God guided in the writing of the Holy Scriptures.

All the authors of the New Testament, including the author in Hebrews, have the same understanding about the authority of the Holy Scriptures(2 Tim :16), that's why they always don't go beyond what was written(1 Corinthians 4:6).

and if sakto ka bro then the author of Hebrews must be making his Own Story about God pero wala ni nahitabo kay nahimo rani nga storya tungod sa mga collections of praise and worship sa uban nga prophets?..

ang Bible sakto(2 Tim 3:16)not me, igo ra ko naghatag sa mga supporting passages para klaro jud nga naa sa Bible tanan(1 Corinthians 4:6), dili ni akoa rang opinion.

----Wala pa man tingale ka kabasa sa Hebrews mam, kay nakaingon man gud ka nga

the author of Hebrews must be making his Own Story about God pero wala ni nahitabo kay nahimo rani nga storya tungod sa mga collections of praise and worship sa uban nga prophets?

If nakabasa ka sa Hebrews, wa may story diri, dili man ni story about God. The Epistle to Hebrews is a VERY LONG letter to the Hebrews. This is a letter for teaching purposes. So it's now clear the author is not creating his own story about God, but he is writing a letter to the Hebrews, for teaching purposes.

here's the kicker....
Hebrews is wrong God did not said this kay sung by someone else d i..
Hebrews is wrong God did not said anything like this sa Hebrews kay it's written by God's prophets.. arent prophets words are also the words of God at the 1st place? well not all nua kay naa man sad opinions gamay..hehe
Hebrews is wrong God did not write this kay written by someone else..
Hebrews is wrong God did not said this kay written by some prophet..

There is nothing wrong with Hebrews, to those who understand.

The author understood that the Scriptures are 'breathed out by God'(2 Tim 3:16), and with this understanding, the author doesn't have any doubts when he says that the words in the Scriptures are words of God Himself. That's why the author easily wrote 'God says' while quoting passages from the Scriptures, for he knows he didn't violate anything in the Scriptures, for when they write they strictly do not go beyond what is written(1 Corinthians 4:6). If you understand 2 Tim 3:16, you will see that it's not wrong to say 'God says' while quoting passages in the Bible.

hay man mao ni ang nahitabo dba God's word mao may nauna then people know this "word of God" thats why mao na ila gipangsulti quoted from them(prophets, singers, etc..) from God mismo "In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways" tan.awa na nahitabo sa Hebrews bro, ang writer(prophet) told his story according to what God said.. which is mao jud na ako pagsabot sa Hebrews kay ug ako na imix ang imo giingon nga quoted from other passages sa bible then the story of Hebrews doesn't make sense na hinuon..

lol what story? Have you really read Hebrews?

He is not writing a story, rather writing a VERY LONG letter to the Hebrews, for teaching purposes, for the Scriptures are good for teaching(2 Tim 3:16). The Bible is not composed of a single verse, that's why you need to read the article where the verse belonged to, so you won't misunderstand. As Apostle Paul said 'compare spiritual things with spiritual'(1 Corinthians 2:13).

And the Bible is not a story book. It's everything literature.

"God spoke" through the prophets deli ba clear nga gikan ni God ang words ninaagi sa mga prophets?..

yes, its clear but you forgot "and in various ways" at the end(Hebrews 1:1). Don't just focus on two words.

I dunno you tell me those were not my own words at the 1st place, i got those verses from the bible..

yes they are in the Bible. You simply read them, without even giving an effort to understand(Matthew 13:14).

To further help you in your Bible study, here are the verses in Hebrews and where the quotes came from:
Hebrews 1:5 Psalm 2:7
Hebrews 1:5 2 Samuel 7:14; 1 Chron. 17:13
Hebrews 1:6 Deut. 32:43 (see Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint)
Hebrews 1:7 Psalm 104:4
Hebrews 1:9 Psalm 45:6,7
Hebrews 1:12 Psalm 102:25-27
Hebrews 1:13 Psalm 110:1
and always keep in mind 2 Tim 3:16.

P.S. Please, give effort to understand what you're reading, don't jump to conclusions and don't make assumptions your basis in faith. Investigate, search for God(Jeremiah 29:13). If passages are not clear or seems vague, feel free to ask, i'll answer with everything i can.

Good afternoon.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

unsa say gamiton sa Church pag determine sa isa ka Miracle? mugamit ba sad sila ug Science? or new technology?

Di na OT kay 3 ka "?" akong gigamit ana

Wala sad koy idea unsay process nila kay mo depend man pod na sa klase na gi claim na miracle. Although akong idea is , same atong mga EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES like sa Lanciano , Italy ... panel of experts in the MEDICAL FIELD < ni undergo ug research and investigation using modern technology and science that cncluded na miracle siya.

Bottomline , it is a miracle kung di kaya i explain / grasp / study etc sa body of specific BODY of SCIENCE ang nahitabo then ma conclue na usa ni ka miracle. For example , mga imahen na ni hilak , naay mga nasubay na mga built in hoses sa sulod after investigation using scanners and MRI's so maong ma husgahan na hoax. Naa pod mga imahen na left the research communities left dumbfounded that all they can do is raise the white flag and leave it as it is.

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@noy

that doesn't make your statement credible in an absolute manner.
there are even priests converting to Islam,Buddhism and even Aetheism..

you are right sir, there are even priests that convert to other religions. But the priest authors here sir, are still RC priests/Jesuit priests when they wrote the book. You can Google their names for credibility.

PLUS, wala nimu gi state imung credibility regarding greek and hebrew translations
kay mao man nay imung gipangusgan nga sayop ang pag translate sa Bible from original text.
mao bitaw ngutana ko nimu why should i consider your POV over what has been
in placed for nearly 2000 years and sharo naman pud ug walay naka correct sa maong translation sa Bibliya

ok bai noy, ari ta sa Catholic Answers nga site ha, familiar man tingale ka ani. Mura ra pud og kani nga forum ba. Check this link Bible Translations Guide | Catholic Answers , it's about bible translations. Very nice and informative. Karon pa ko kasugat ani and i'm liking it for this is another addition for my bible study. For credibility, check the bottom of the page.

I'll quote some paragraphs:

"Literal translations are an excellent resource for serious Bible study. Sometimes the meaning of a verse depends on subtle cues in the text; these cues are only preserved by literal translations."

"The disadvantage of literal translations is that they are harder to read because more Hebrew and Greek style intrudes into the English text."

Spoiler! 

Because literal translations can be difficult to read, many have produced more readable Bibles using the dynamic equivalence philosophy. According to this view, it does not matter whether the grammar and word order of the original is preserved in English so long as the meaning of the text is preserved. This frees up the translator to use better English style and word choice, producing more readable translations. In the above example, the dynamic equivalence translators were free to use the more readable expression "have sexual relations with" instead of being forced to reproduce the Hebrew idiom "uncover the nakedness of."

Spoiler! 

Even when there is no doctrinal agenda involved, it is difficult to do word studies in dynamic translations because of inconsistency in how words are rendered. Beyond this, the intent of the sacred author can be obscured.

After reading much of the article, you will realize how hard the science of translating the original texts of the bible into English. Mao bitaw niana ko nga ayaw salig sa usa lang ka English translation, pareha ra pud sa giingon diri:

"In the end, there may not be a need to select only one translation of the Bible to use. There is no reason why a Catholic cannot collect several versions of the Bible, aware of the strengths and weaknesses of each. It is often possible to get a better sense of what is being said in a passage by comparing several different translations. "

Catholic Answers jud ni bai noy ha. Mga bishops & priests manubag diri dili mga ordinary member lang. See the bottom of the page for credibility.
Bible Translations Guide | Catholic Answers

plus what you posted are Your reference, they may be your reference's credintials but not your own.

LOL i'm no theologist and i don't have a book. I'm not an expert, that's why we go to experts, right?

lol let's say my references are not my own and are my references credentials, it doesn't change the fact that the books i referenced from exist and they are not just buhat2x lang. Google it yourself, you might even see it on sale in amazon.com..buy the book, and believe..LOL. That's why i referenced them and gave them to you so that you won't need to buy the book itself, i even gave you the author, title, & page for credibilty lol.

[slabdans]

OT -wala na, naimo na gyud nga debate thread ning diri,

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

OT -wala na, naimo na gyud nga debate thread ning diri,

ikaw bro, nganong dili man ka Katoliko? Kung Katoliko ka sauna, nganong nag-usab man ka?

[slabdans]

ikaw bro, nganong dili man ka Katoliko? Kung Katoliko ka sauna, nganong nag-usab man ka?

hahaha ngano ako man imo gipangutana nga dili man ko katoliko...OT na sad ni

[acescream]

good day sir springfield

This also goes to ACESCREAM .... as much as I appreciate your effort in briging up discussions but you are in the wrong avenue for that. Just ask and you will be answered . Dont argue or repesent something else that does not at all relate to the original answer because thi is not about RCC vs. PROTESTANTISM or any other Christian denominations.

Thanks for noticing sir. Naa lang koy question:

Second .... I just wondered why you ask questions , tubagon gani ka , move on with the answer. If you are not Catholic , dont argue about the answers provided unless you knew that the answers are supposed to be something else kay na misinformed ang ga tubag.

Hehe mura martial law?

Naay infallability manubagay diri? Naay pari? Taas ranggo? Archbishop? Cardinal? If fellow members lang, isn't it healthy to correct each others faith, esp w/in RC members? Basin naay nahibaw-an ang devoted nga wala nahibaw-i sa dili devoted, vice-versa. If mao ni amo sundon nga maghilom2x nalang mi bisag kabalo mi nga sayop basta kay gitubag ka diha, sakto ba nga makatuo ang mga fellow RCs og sayop, den mangutana tas pari dili diay mao?

Akong hangyo ... to make the thread fun and interesting to hang out to because knowledge is attained here , do not associate it with VERSES that are rooted from personal interpretations. Dili unta i puro na lang VERSE ang tubag when quoting someone. It is just so " FUNDIE " and does not make any sense at all.

hehe nindot ni imo message diri sir springfield, esp about knowledge. Indeed, it is fun in exchanging of knowledge. Mao man tingale gamit sa mga verses para mapun-an atong knowledge di ba sir? And sakto ka sir, basta di lang jud personal interpretation, not going beyond what is written(1 Corinthians 4:6 ).

Example sir ha, i will share a fact nga makita sa bibliya:

Bible fact: There are currently only 3 men in heaven so far: Enoch(Gen. 5:22,24; Heb. 11:5), Elijah(II Kings 2:1), and Jesus(Acts 1:11).

So sa katong wala kahibalo ani, napun-an ila knowledge di ba? Basta dili lang jud imo own interpretation. Then if anybody knows more than what i shared, he's free to share what he knows, right? Isn't that fun? So everyone is free to share verses, as long as they are not in their own interpretation.

Again .... avoid OT's .... HAPPY FIESTA TO ALL ! VIVA PIT SENIOR !!

lisod kaayo ma-OT sir, kay dako kaayo'g scope ni nga topic "The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions", meaning mangutana anything about sa RC, right? So if naay healthy discussion gani, and it started from a single question to RCC, it's still OnT kay ang sinugdanan kay a question to RCC, right? Depende ra man pud na ang discussion sa nitubag sir di ba if nistick siya sa question. But if you don't agree, ok ra kaayu, it's my own POV.

Pwera nalang if naay mokalit lang diri og sangyaw nga siya2x ra lol OT kaayu, kay wa siya nangutana og question bahin sa RCC.

P.S. Ang akong mga discussions diri with fellow istoryans nagsugod sa pangutana with regards to Holy Spirit. So OnT gihapon kow with the discussions, di ba?
Thank you!

[acescream]

hahaha ngano ako man imo gipangutana nga dili man ko katoliko...OT na sad ni

kani mga in-ani mao ni mga OT. Kanang mga healthy discussions nga niresulta gikan sa usa ka RC question, OnT man di ba?