The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

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Nganu sa bata paka di man ihatag sa imung ginikanan tanan nimung pangayuon?

OT: answer lng ko ani nga OT ug non sense nga question... ky dili man sila ka provide tanan.

OnT: imo diay na ipareha ang prayer sa Ginoo nga maka provide tanan, ang imong pagpangayo sa imong mga ginikanan?

[SioDenz]

OT: answer lng ko ani nga OT ug non sense nga question... ky dili man sila ka provide tanan.

OnT: imo diay na ipareha ang prayer sa Ginoo nga maka provide tanan, ang imong pagpangayo sa imong mga ginikanan?

dili pariha Pero ang Tubag sa imung pangutana ug kana kay pariha ra

meaning nganu di man ihatag sa ginikanan ang tanang gipangayu sa anak bisag makaya nila ug hatag?

[acescream]

d na mao naa man toy new ako gipost.. kabaw naman kos imo tubag ana ana ka most of it are just quoted sa uban passages sa bible..

aw o mam oi kabalo man ko ako lang gipaklaro nimo ang Isaiah 43:11 nga imo giingon diri:

d d i ka mahuman ana bro? wa pa jud d i ka makontento sa mystery of the holy trinity one God sa RC ug sa "Isaiah 43:11 I am, I am the Lord: and there is no savior besides me." ?..

so i guess tin-aw na nimo ang Isaiah 43:11 ha based sa previous post nako, maynta nabasa nimow.

So karon balik ta hehehe nibackread jud ko:

assignment bro oh, can you explain this to us please...

the Father is talking to his Son....

Heb. 1:8 - God calls the Son "God." But of the Son He says, "Thy Throne Oh God is forever and ever."

Lemme explain what the Bible taught me......

First of all, did God say this Himself? Before answering that, let's look at the 'picture as a whole', Heb 1:14

Spoiler! 

For to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”[a]?
Or again,

“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”[b]?
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c]
7 In speaking of the angels he says,

“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”[d]
8 But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]
10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”[f]
13 To which of the angels did God ever say,

“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet”[g]?
14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

footnotes:
Hebrews 1:5 Psalm 2:7
Hebrews 1:5 2 Samuel 7:14; 1 Chron. 17:13
Hebrews 1:6 Deut. 32:43 (see Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint)
Hebrews 1:7 Psalm 104:4
Hebrews 1:9 Psalm 45:6,7
Hebrews 1:12 Psalm 102:25-27
Hebrews 1:13 Psalm 110:1

as you can see, the author in Hebrews are quoting passages in the Old Testament. So technically, the author did not say these himself. Now let's go to the Old Testament passages the author quoted and study them one by one. If you have a Bible there, any Bible, much better.

Heb 1:8 quoted Psalm 45:6-7

Spoiler! 

Your throne, O God,[a] will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

. Open your book to Psalm 45. Can you see the intro? This:

Spoiler! 

For the director of music. To the tune of “Lilies.” Of the Sons of Korah. A maskil. A wedding song.

As you can see, it is a wedding song, maybe written by David? But as you can see, God is not the one who wrote it. Psalm 45:6-7 are two stanzas in that song, sung by people.

So how come the author in Hebrews quoted Psalm 45:6-7? Basaha ang sinugdanan sa Hebrews, Heb 1

Spoiler! 

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,

Did you see "through the prophets at many times and in various ways". Mao ni gusto ipahibalo sa author sa Hebrews on why nag-quote siya'g mga passages from the Old Testament. Iya gipakita sa mga readers how God's messages are portrayed in the Scriptures written by the prophets.

Part 2, Psalm 45:6-7

The writer of this song definitely didn't write this for God to sing, but for the people to sing. Look at the first stanza

Spoiler! 

Your throne, O God,[a] will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

, obviously is addressed to God, describing his might. Then look at the next stanza

Spoiler! 

You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

, the singer is obviously not talking to God directly, for God doesn't have a God, for there is no other God besides Him(Isaiah 45:5), and if Jesus is God, He has not even been born yet at that time. Therefore, the singer is addressing this to someone, other than God, who is "righteous and hates wickedness". So who is that besides God, this is what Jesus said in John 7:7

Spoiler! 

The world can't hate you, but it does hate me because I accuse it of doing evil.

, so he said he hates evil, wickedness and he is in righteousness, for Jesus was found with no sin(2 Corinthians 5:21), and to make this passage solid to someone who has a God..surprise! Jesus has a God(John 20:17).

So if you read Hebrews 1:8 again, it's now clear about what God says about Jesus, through the song in Psalm 45 written by a prophet, that God has set Jesus above everyone else. It's like Psalm 45:7 is a hidden message from God in a wedding song.

So, is it now clear to you that in Heb 1:8 that God did not say this Himself, but is a stanza of a song, written by His prophet, and here God is not calling anyone other than Himself 'God', for there is no other God besides Him(Isaiah 45:5), and nowhere in the Bible can you see that God exalted Jesus to be a God like Himself.

so saying

Heb. 1:8 - God calls the Son "God."

is like saying God is a liar(Isaiah 45:5 - I am God..there is no other god besides me...) and this will create two gods.

Such a blasphemy.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

dili pariha Pero ang Tubag sa imung pangutana ug kana kay pariha ra

meaning nganu di man ihatag sa ginikanan ang tanang gipangayu sa anak bisag makaya nila ug hatag?

how about diay dili nila mahatag ky dili nila makaya ug hatag? pareha gihapon?

[acescream]

Heb. 1:9 - God calls the Son "God." "Therefore, God, Thy God has anointed Thee."

naaapil na ni sa akong first post, hope nabasa nimu kay educational kaayo to. Motoo ka man or dili, pero tin-aw kaayo ang ako gi-explain didto. If naa kay questions, feel free to ask me. If wala, then you understood what you've read, even if you won't believe as long as you understood. Just feel free to ask if naa kay nalibgan .

Heb. 1:10 - God calls the Son "Lord." "And thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning and the heavens are your work."

same spot with the first post, in Hebrews 1. This time it is quoted from Psalm 102:25-27

Spoiler! 

In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
26 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
Like clothing you will change them
and they will be discarded.
27 But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.

If you have your own Bible, much better. Any Bible will do, RCC or not. If you don't have any accessible, i'll provide their contexts in spoilers. Also before we start, take note of Hebrews 1:1

Spoiler! 

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,

So this is what the Bible taught me.....here it goes:

Open your Holy Book to Psalm 102. Look at the intro..it says: "A prayer of an afflicted person who has grown weak and pours out a lament before the Lord."

So Psalm 102 is a prayer of an afflicted person..what a poor soul. Psalm 102:25-27 is a part of this prayer.

The question is: Did God prayed this Himself? Obviously you can answer this yourself from the data above, and this is a clear example of one of the "various ways" if you took note in Heb 1:1.

So what is the purpose of the author in Hebrews by quoting Psalm 102:25-27? This is to let the readers know(binisay-on nalang nako ha, i don't know how to put it this next sentence in English) kung giunsa niya pagpaila sa iyang kaugalingon kung kinsa siya nga Diyos, pinaagi aning pag-ampo sa usa ka makaluluoy nga tawo, ngadto ni Hesus inig basa niya ani nga part sa prayer

Spoiler! 

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”[f]

, nga siya ang Diyos nga naghimo sa tanang butang, sa langit og sa yuta, siya ang pinakamakagagahom sa tanan, og wala siya'y katapusan. In-ana ra na.

So kung moingon ka

Heb. 1:10 - God calls the Son "Lord." "And thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning and the heavens are your work."

naa pa nuoy nag-una ni Jesus sa pagka-Diyos, katong tawo nga makaluluoy nga nag-ampo ani sa Psalm 102. Paeta.

maybe makahelp ni nimo bro maybe makasabot ka why we RC consider Jesus to be also God..

sorry, layo ra kaayo sa tinuod.

ing.na lang ko if ganahan pakag daghan..

pwede ra pud, tagsa2x-on ta na.

mas maau nang ikaw makatubag sa imo mga pangutana kay hilig man kay kag basa sa bible..

sakto ka, naa na pud koy napuno sa akong database sa mga verses nga gigamit sa Trinitarians to promote Jesus -is-God. The more, the better.

the Father is talking to his Son....

Heb. 1:8 - God calls the Son "God." But of the Son He says, "Thy Throne Oh God is forever and ever."

Heb. 1:9 - God calls the Son "God." "Therefore, God, Thy God has anointed Thee."

Heb. 1:10 - God calls the Son "Lord." "And thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning and the heavens are your work."

sorry no offense mam, but saying this will actually mislead other people..and by saying this, it sounds so blasphemous to God, for we made clear He didn't say such things Himself. For their is no other God besides Him(Isaiah 45:5), and He is a jealous God(Exodus 34:14)

[gustercaed]

lain2x gyud ug views ang mga tao when it comes to what they believe bisag unsaon pa ug explain wala gihapon padulngan. Kung wala kaabot ang Christianity, or Roman Catholic Religion and for example na muslim ang tanan tao sa Pilipinas unsa kaha ta ron.

[Breakeven]

@acescream

bro, dili baya lisud sabton ang Trinity
If you have a monadic concept (single unit) of God like in Islam, Cults, etc. another philosophical problem would emerge....like sa atong nabaloan that God speaks, God loves....so before the creation whom was HE loving? to whom was he speaking? rzim.

Diha lang sa trinity nga concept where you can see that even before the beginning GOD is complete and is a being in relationship.

Usa pud bro, unsa may difference between your concept of God from what other pagans worship also if Jesus Christ hasnt come in human form? wala...diba....tabla rag nag imagine ta nga naay ginoo!

Christ the Express Image of the Father - Hebrews 1:3 | Learn The Bible

[Breakeven]

Religious people believe that its all about a life of good works to attain a higher level of spirituality. If a person lived an exceptional christian life, does it automatically mean that they are good in God's eyes? I'm not judging those who lived a good christian life, but its not for me to know whether or not they have an authentic relationship with the Lord--not merely good works, or moralism, or religiosity.

What makes you good in God's eyes? Is it good works? The bible says that our good works are filthy rags in front of God. There is no righteousness on our own. We are all hell bound sinners. Rom 3:10-11, 3:23,6:23. That's the reality of who we are. All of us.

There are two ways in rejecting Christ as savior. The first way; being religious. Trusting on you own righteousness to be right in front of a holy God. Second way; being irreligious, living a life ignoring God in ones ways. How then can i be right with God? The third way, the way of Christ.

Christ's righteousness. 2 Cor 5:21 "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." On the cross he became the sinner so that there will hope for all of us to be saved and to be right with God. "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all." Isa 53:5-6.

If we can make it on our own and attain that levels of spirituality (if there is), what's the need for Christ death on the cross? Surely we can't, that is why Jesus Christ came to pay the consequences of our sins and so that we become alive in him spiritually. Unless there is no surrender to Christ, there is no genuine salvation.

So, that's to give us the context on what it means to be alive or dead in front of God. Now, if there is such a thing as level of spirituality, then its just like you are saying that its all based on our good works not on the finished work of Christ on the cross. There is nothing that we can do to add on Christ finished work, and there is nothing that we have done to subtract Christ complete salvation for us. That is what Christ said on his last breath "it is finished". It is already paid in full. Its done and all we need to do is to put our faith on Him that he has saved us.

Level of spirituality? Its only either you are dead or alive. Either you are in Christ or not in Christ. If those Christians who have gone ahead of us are in Christ, they are of equal standing to those who are also in Christ today. If Christ is our ultimate savoir, our spirituality is only based on him.

Regarding the saints, the apostle Paul calls his fellow brothers in the faith as saints. In his letters to the churches in Rome, Corinth and etc, he greeted them and addressed them as SAINTS. Saints are Christians. Genuine Christians.

I hope this helps. These aren't my words. These are words from the bible. I'm not an anti-catholic and i'm not here to argue. Grace to you!

Very well explained bro
thanks for this contribution also. He who seeks the truth would truly appreciate this. But most important is our relationship with Christ.

More blessings!

[noy]

Yes, Jesus is our everything. I agree on that. Can he still be everything without representations? Yes.

Read Romans 1:18-25.

Jesus is both our mediator and greatest intercessor.

Rom 8:34. He is at the right hand of the father interceding for us.

He is our mediator as well. John 14:6. He is the only way and no one else. If we want to make it right with the Lord, Jesus is the only way. "One way, Jesus!" as the song goes.

oh i see...Thanks! point taken on the intercession side..so Jesus is the only mediator and can and Is the most powerful intercessor.
But does that mean that there shouldn't be any other intercessors?

say if we ask a fried to interceed for us, would that be an insult to God?

Does asking others to pray for us to the Lord our God considered another way?

doesn't the Bible have teachings about praying for each other?
didn't Jesus said that our love for another will prove that we are His disciples?
isn't praying for others one of the many acts of Love?

[acescream]

@acescream

bro, dili baya lisud sabton ang Trinity
If you have a monadic concept (single unit) of God like in Islam, Cults, etc. another philosophical problem would emerge....like sa atong nabaloan that God speaks, God loves....so before the creation whom was HE loving? to whom was he speaking? rzim.

Diha lang sa trinity nga concept where you can see that even before the beginning GOD is complete and is a being in relationship.

Usa pud bro, unsa may difference between your concept of God from what other pagans worship also if Jesus Christ hasnt come in human form? wala...diba....tabla rag nag imagine ta nga naay ginoo!

Christ the Express Image of the Father - Hebrews 1:3 | Learn The Bible

huh? bro Breakeven? Jesus Christ came in human form(2 John 1:7), maybe you mean God came in human form?

sir Breakeven, FYI, gods coming to earth as human, with human characteristics, is one of the fundamental beliefs in pagan worship, it's called anthropomorphism.

an·thro·po·mor·phism(/ˌanTHrəpəˈmôrˌfizəm/, noun) - The attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object. https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=a...hrome&ie=UTF-8

sir are you familiar with this event with Apostle Barnabas and Apostle Paul in Lystra and Derbe in Acts 14:8-15

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8 In Lystra there sat a man who was lame. He had been that way from birth and had never walked. 9 He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed 10 and called out, “Stand up on your feet!” At that, the man jumped up and began to walk.

11 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form!” 12 Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. 13 The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.

14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15 “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.

, take note what the people said:

Acts 14:11-13 - "When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form! Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. 13 The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.

unsa gitubag ni sa mga apostol ani? Acts 14:14-15

"But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them. "

^luoy kaayo sila nagkabuang tawn sila'g prove nga mga tawo ra sila para di sila ma-misunderstood, kay liman ka naa sila'y power to make a paralytic walk, unya duol ra kaayo ang panghitabo sa templo ni Zeus LOL

so if you think of God, coming down to earth as a human(example: Jesus), you believe in the same way with the pagans.

sir Breakeven sa bisaya pa, naunay kas imo tari if you think God-turning-human is not a pagan belief.