The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[acescream]

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I think you are a bible geek i know kay daghan kag verse nabaw.an, i believe in your bible you can read that not all images made are graven image..

dili jud tanto bible geek pero sa sige nako'g simba nasud ra man sa ako huna2x ang teaching pero di ko manimaan sa verses, hasulan ko. Type lang nako katong words ako marember, den Google.

i know lisod au ni sabton pra ninyo mga protestants about anang mga images gipangbuhat sa RC but i can testify myself deli na graven images.. there are more things happening than what the eyes can see esp if your eyes are set to see things you ONLY want to see..

familiar ko ani mam kay i was born and raised RC. Mga miracles of the rebulto. Hilak dugo, balhin kalit, manimahong rose, etc...

mam, Satan himself can create miracles, he's powerful than man, he's the best of all angels created by God:

Isaiah 14:12-15 - "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.’ But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. "

He/She? doesn't even look like the devil you see in the pictures, it just an artist impression for the devil. The devil himself can appear to anyone as holy of holiest, let's say he can try to act like a holy one.

2 Corinthians 11:14 - "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."

Lucifer can make statues cry blood. He can even do anything to you, make you his plaything, that's how scary he is. But with God's protection, he can't do it.

images made by RC are more sensible to understand in our rites of exorcism, since the cross is usually used..

Matthew 7:22-23 - "Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"

^pa-epal effect to Jesus, not effective

and don't give me the the site as ur only reference i know unsay mga mabuhat sa internet cloud since that's where my field of work,that's not how you find what is the truth..

hehe kani nga link Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Ten Commandments sa Vaticano jud ni(see the .va) kani lang ako giprovide kay convenient when you're in front of a computer with internet. Pero bisag asa pa ka nga RC, or ask a priest or a simple catechist, pareha ra ang Ten Commandments sa RCC, gitangtang jud ang 2nd about sa images og gitunga ang ika-napu para mahimo duha so 10 na tanan.

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@ JOVI ...

Ang nahitabo sa sulod sa simbahan why naay krimen nahitabo sama s apag pagpangawat and why ngano walay REBULTO naka DEPENSA , naay GAHUM ang GINOO but ngano GIPASAGDAN lang etc which is your very question na GAMHANAN man kaha .

ANg answer ana is , everything is bound to happen that is why we dont really know our destiny or fate and that is due to our GIFT of FREEDOM / FREEWILL vested by GOD to us.

We are free to do what we want , free to act on what we think .

Pero , if you really insist on something that talks about powers and it is synonymous to MYSTERY / PHENOMENOM / UNEXPLAINABLE etc ... it also happened .

Make a research about the ALTAR of the HOLY ARM . The owner of that arm is St. Nicolas de Tolentino .

@ EVERYONE ...

As I urge everyone again to refrain from making the thread a venue for DEBATE or ARGUMENTS but of EXCHANGE of IDEAS . This is a channel where you can ask about RCC QUESTIONS that made you confused , become a skeptic , generated doubts etc and I am pretty sure someone will answer it.

Now , if someone will answer it , please abide to the answers being provided because this is a FORUM . I have seen answers here that are based from LOGICAL EXPLANATIONS , COMMONSENSE , POV's and lastly from the MAGISTERIUM of the CHURCH . If dili ninyo madawat ang tubag , just move on with your lives. Dont counter it with SAYOP na because nangutana gani mo so therefore KABALO mo sa answer diay. Just because you cant see the exact word from the BIBLE does not at all constitute being " NOT BIBLICAL " .

Otherwise , ayaw na lang mo pangutana diri and just use the internet to search for it. I am pretty sure , inyohang answers are QUESTIONS that have been answered and explained ages ago also . Mga bahaw na man na inyohang mga questions , we are here just to discuss about it kaso dili mo mga KATOLIKO but mas nakamao na man mo nuon sa unsay angay i tubag.

For the Nth time , you guys/gals dont have to agree with the answer , just embrace it wholeheartedly. Unless inyohang tuyo sa pag pangutana kay PAG UGAT lang , GARA GARAlang , ngita ug BIKIL or just plain DISRESPECTFUL lang jud.

[dartzed]

hahaha wa basaha tanan ai klaro kaayo. Hadlok ka matandog maam? Mostick nalang lage sa iya own opinion di man i-open ang mind. Dili pa man kaha puno imo cup, absorb tong taas kaayo nako nga answer kay wa may botbot ato maam ang Bibliya juy mostorya nimo igbasa nimo. Ang lain makabasa nga reader makaana jud og "Hala o bitaw sa?". Bisan pag magdala og iyang bible to compare the verses lol pareha ra kaayo bisag Katoliko nga bibliya gamiton. Sayanga maam oi naa unta ka bag-o makat-onan ato gishare ra man to nako ang about how God designed salvation, bahalag di ka maconvince makabasa ka lang ato additional knowledge na to nimo. Then imo dayon macompare ang pagka-savior ni Jesus og ni God ngano tawgon sila duha og savior.

Thanks anyway maam.

d mana ako words it's in your bible man ako raman na gi quote d mana ako kaugalingon nga words.. ^_^

i think ako na naexplain tanan nako gusto explain nimo, sa mudawat ka ana ug sa deli that's what RC believe in..

and not the ones nga imo gipush through namo..

[dartzed]

dili jud tanto bible geek pero sa sige nako'g simba nasud ra man sa ako huna2x ang teaching pero di ko manimaan sa verses, hasulan ko. Type lang nako katong words ako marember, den Google.



familiar ko ani mam kay i was born and raised RC. Mga miracles of the rebulto. Hilak dugo, balhin kalit, manimahong rose, etc...

mam, Satan himself can create miracles, he's powerful than man, he's the best of all angels created by God:

Isaiah 14:12-15 - "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.’ But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. "

He/She? doesn't even look like the devil you see in the pictures, it just an artist impression for the devil. The devil himself can appear to anyone as holy of holiest, let's say he can try to act like a holy one.

2 Corinthians 11:14 - "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."

Lucifer can make statues cry blood. He can even do anything to you, make you his plaything, that's how scary he is. But with God's protection, he can't do it.



Matthew 7:22-23 - "Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"

^pa-epal effect to Jesus, not effective



hehe kani nga link Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Ten Commandments sa Vaticano jud ni(see the .va) kani lang ako giprovide kay convenient when you're in front of a computer with internet. Pero bisag asa pa ka nga RC, or ask a priest or a simple catechist, pareha ra ang Ten Commandments sa RCC, gitangtang jud ang 2nd about sa images og gitunga ang ika-napu para mahimo duha so 10 na tanan.

i know, but you are being arrogant, righteous, and judgemental if mao na imo panan.aw sa ako faith..

i think you think imo ra faith ang sakto para nimo.. ^_^

nagnu kaha ning mga protestante mas concern pa cla sa religion kaysa sa faith sa tao..hmmmmmm maybe mao na d ninyo masabtan sa mga RC mahug na nua mo ug mga himantayon, nya d pa makontento manghimantay manglabot pa jud..faetz

[noy]

@ Acescream thanks for the insight But apparently these things are not new to me, as i have encountered and heard similar interpretations before, in fact murag magkasinabut mu ni Jovi ana dapita..hehehe

however i was a bit impressed with the greek knowledge only because i have not studied Greek myself
But i think i don't have to know greek to understand whether Jesus is God or not.
apart from faith i think analytical proofs throughout History is enough for me.


i have some several points i'd like to share with you , and some questions perhaps which i would appreciate it if you would answer them accordingly

First, why do you think the Jews had Jesus crucified?
Long before the compilation of the Bible, Long before Catholicism and the greek writings of the new testament translated
Jesus already claimed to be God.
mao bitaw gi crucify siya sa una diba? for claiming to be messiah, and to call himself Son of God
which according to the Jewish teachers He just considered Himself equal with God
which of course is a blasphemy for them. you can verify that with the Jews bai. or Jewish views on Jesus
though dili cla mutoo nga Jesus is God but they knew about His claims to be God.


2nd, If Jesus was not God why would He let the Jewish crucify Him if it was just a misunderstanding.
He could've clarified it that He is not the messiah and that He never claimed to be God
or that He was just a teacher or a prophet sent by God.
and i think there is nothing wrong with clarifying statements.
John the Baptist was even depicted to be the promised savior but he clarified it diba?
would someone really be willing to die for a lie or a misunderstanding?i don't think so
others would even lie to live..hehehe
however, it is also possible that Jesus honestly believed that He was God
and could be wrong at the same time.therefore if that were the case then Jesus could have been someone who is mentally challenged
BUT if He was, how come He was very consistent and taught with authority esp about Love and Salvation?
i seriously doubt He was a nut case.
When Jesus was crucified He made no attempt in refuting and even made it more clearer to the Jewish Priest about His claims
which all the more ignited the Jewish Priests in anger.
again, this was before the compilation of the Bible.


3rd, How sure are you that your claims and understanding about the greek translations?
can you say it is more reliable than those scholars who compiled it?
or the Church Scholars and Doctors perhaps?
and if they have misinterpreted some of the text, do you think it would not have been corrected back then?
or in the long course of time? i mean what you have there is not really a correction but more of claim
if not an accusation.
and is it possible nga ang imu pagsabut sa translation is what we call "word for word misses"
example is kung muingun ko ug i love you in cebuano it would be gihigugma ko ikaw
when if we are to translate it word for word it would look like this: love i you...

4th, if the Christian Bible was wrong about Jesus being God, or if the idea about Jesus being God
is just a twisted political tactics for Romans to gain popularity.
why on earth would they do that? when they are even winning over the early followers of Jesus in numbers and power even in almost all aspects..except for the salvation part
they have executed and killed Christians, fed them to the Lions, hanged and crucified..
even almost all of Jesus' disciples except for John were martyrd. even the apostle paul himself.
the question really is what could they have gained by converting to Christianity? and twisting the Greek translations in favor of Jesus to be God?
when they are very capable in iliminating all remaining Christians at that time ug human ilang problema sa religious rivals..
for power? isn't rome one of the most powerful nations at that time? or at least a lot and more powerful compared with
early followers of Christ.

5th, why do you think the Apostles and the Followers of Jesus were willing to through death
if Jesus was not God? because the difference really between Jews and Christian especially at that time
was just the belief of Jesus.
what were they preaching that brought them to death?

6th, i believe they were preaching about salvation through Jesus and His resurrection.
is this again one of the twisted translations?
the disciples were filled with fear at the time when Jesus was crucified. what changed them from fearful to mighty gospel preachers?
that even death was not able to silence them as you can see, Christian faith is still the leading
faith in this world.

if you think that John was just stating a metaphor regarding what he said about word was with God, and is God
and that the word was made flesh...well it's your interpretation bai, you're entitled to it
but i would have to disagree with it.
Metaphor is a figure of speech that describes a subject by asserting that it is, on
some point of comparison. how John wrote it did not in any way connote comparison.

i was not quantifying God when i shared my understanding about the Holy Trinity
i was just merely comparing it with the phases of matter BASED sa akong nasabtan.
in an attenpt to get the idea that Father,Son and Spirit can be 1 God crossed over
clearly sharing an idea about God does not mean quantifying God.

[slabdans]

in short..ang dating daan hehehe

[noy]

too ko ana bro, Ginoo ra ang makahatag ug gahum. ang pangutana bro, wala diay mahatagi ug gahum ang simbahan sa Ginoo ky ang evil nga act, wala man na prevent? unsa man ang purpose mo simba kung wala diay mahatagi ug gahum ang simbahan sa Ginoo? Ang simple nga evil act bro, like kawat, wala na prevent, unya ang exorcism na hinoon? tinood kaha ng exorcism?

well in exorcisms, clearly the power of God is very visisble through sa mga prayers,priest
and would even manifest in the bible,sa mga crosses and holy water.(physically).
and of course tinuod nang exprcisms sa mga mutoo ug kung di ka mutoo then obviously di na tinuod 4u..hehehe

Jovs kung muingun ta nga way gahum ang mga alagad sa Ginoo
tungod sa kasakit sa kalibutan..murag lagpas kaau na oi
kay in the first place naay freewill ang tagsa2x ka tao...
sufferings are mostly a result of wrong choices.

in short kung magical powers imu pasabut, it doesnt normally happen esp under normal circumstances
but renewal of Faith, Healing of hurts, Forgiveness and Reconcilliation
Encouragement, etc...i think are enough powers to change a person's perspective aabout Life esp when it comes to suffering
and even by letting a person about Jesus and His commandments and about salvation
you are releasing a power of peace, and a power of chance for a better relationship with others esp with the Love others as ourselves commandment..that is a very POWERFUL commandment that it could sweep off
pride,anger,hate,lust and all sorts of evil stuff.

[noy]

ang evil nga act bro like stealing and killing nga wala na prevent not to happen mismo sa sulod sa simbahan, mao na akong gi question diri. Nganong wala na prevent, wai powers ang simbahan gikan sa God?

sorry jovs, honestly gikapuy ko tubag sa imung mga pangutana which i think is answerable by yourself even if you don't share the same faith with us. i think you watch too much movies.. Lol

[noy]

waaaahhhhh sorry sir if na-offend ta mu. Ang2x man gud sir kasagaran sa mga manubag diri tubagon ra mag "O, naa sa bibliya" kalooy pud tawn sa mangutana den mao ra na itubag, way backup reference asa nga sitas sa Bibliya. Ang mangutana pud tawn ka-ana nalang tingaleg "okay".

Wa ko nag-belittle sa intelligence sa mga posters diri sir ha, ako ra gipawake-up ang mga manubagay diri para hagoan intawn ang mga mangutana, dili kay "Ang Diyos lang mag-igo sir oi basta naa na bibliya.", luoy jud kaayo.

Tin-aw man ang meaning sa akong gipangpost sa tanan kabalo mobasa og mosabot og english..if gibasa lang jud tuod, if wala gibasa kay taas ra then mahadlok mo nga mausab inyo POV(being closed-minded, in-ana pud ko sauna before searching for the truth about God and doing A LOT of research), then tabla ra jud. Tan-awa ra nang quality sa mga gi-post nako nga explanation sir o dili mana ako nga opinion, ang Bibliya man ako gipastorya ana wa man koy own interpretation ana.

Sa pag-ingon pa lang nimo nga abi nimog si Mary kay sinless nga na-enlighten ka sa truth(Jesus is the only man who didn't sin), lipay na kaayo ko oi, di lalim hago hahaha kas utok.

Mao peace ra jud ko pirmi basta in-ani nga discussion, kay klase2x man ang tawo nga makabasa or makadungog og mga in-ani.(he Parable Of The Sower And The Seed (Matthew 13:1-23)

Mary na pud ta sir? (Holy Mother of God? God has a mom!!! O_O)

fish!.. hehehe ^_^

kuyawa diay nimu bai sah? you seem to know a lot of stuff and i guess insakto jud na para nimu imung gituhoan right?
kaso lang even apollo quiboloy claims that is the appointed son of god
and he also claims to know a lot...appointed son gani...naa pud toy korean nga true parents kuno again also claimed to know a lot of stuff...kami nga Catholics tawn apart from personal interpretation and faith we are only relying on doctrines that have been in place for almost 2000 years na, PERO hangtud karun ang maong doktrina about Jesus wala jud mausab, sayop jud kha mi?
how about apostloic succession? doesn't that mean anything?
...so how do we know that you are not just another quiboloy?
and to be honest with you bai, murag di naman question sa RCC imu...
i think you are seeking for a debate or something else?

since you are about to redicule all the Catholic Church scholars and Doctors
not to mention the Masters of Divinity in both Catholic church and other denomination
who haapen to share the same faith in the Trinity
from day 1 up to present...
can you at least post your credentials? sources? and how did you acquire these knowledges?

[noy]

bro you can't give an example like that ipamarehas nimo c Jesus nko nga makasasala.. 1st kahibaw gud cya nga anak cya sa ginuo, 2nd kahibaw cya unsa iya buhaton w/c is sundon ang nahisulat.. you are giving us the picture nga si Jesus nagthink nga cya tendency nga matintal ug walay salig sa iya amahan kay iya man girationalize mao na nisulti cya quoted sa scripture "thou shall not tempt the Lord your God"..

Dartzedkita'g kwarta gibutang ra sa lamesa sa tag-iya dayon gibiyaan. 1M petot) hala! damn! O_O

-kani palang bro nga example sayop na kaau, kabaw ka b4 ka makathink anang reply sa ubos nga "though shall not steal" it is a reply 1st sa imo self nagthink nga imo kuhaon ang 1M mao na ang reaction "hala! damn! O_O". meaning natental nka sa imo mind palang wala pa nimo buhata remember(nakasala naka sa huna2, sapulong, sa pagbuhat, ug sa wala pagbuhat sa kinhanglan buhaton) you just directly stained the sinless image of Jesus-

Dartzed: "It is written, 'Thou shall not steal.'" (Gibalik2x 100x para di madala sa temptation).<<--- in reply para d nimo mabuhat ang naa sa imo githink..

Dartzed: wew, may nalang nisalir. Bye2x 1M! <<---- same here relief is the sign nga wala nimo nabuhat ang imo githink..

para nako ang "thou shall not temp the Lord your God" was meant for satan not for Jesus self to remind himself.. he can't forget the Word of God coz He is the Son of God..

in other words,
Satanas:ambak daw diha diba saluon kas mga anghel?Psalm 91 pa gani na!
Jesus: Hoy Panuway! ay ko testinge ug tintal2x diha kay ako ang Ginoo!
Satanas: aw ingun btaw ko...abi nako ug mailad taka kay you know, nagpakatao bya ka..hihihi...ok GTG!