The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[noy]

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asa mabasa sa Bibliya nga ang Holy Spirit kay diyos?

wala jud directly bai,nga as in gisuwat jud sa Bible nga the Holy Spirit is God
pero dahgan kaau ug supporting verses sa Holy Trinity
besides the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit so technically Diyos jud na Siya.

"where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."

[acescream]

mao ni ang part sa mystery of the holy trinity and yes naa jud btaw cla roles lain2 the father which is the creator, the son which is the savior, and the holy ghost which will give you wisdom ug uban pah.. 3 persona as one God according to RCC..

The Father...
We all know he's everything, He's God....

the Son....
John 4:10-13 obviously Jesus said He and the Father is One...
Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.
Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.
and more.........

the Spirit....
Job 33:4 - "The Spirit of God made me and the breath of the Almighty has given me life." We know Only God is the creator of life.
Matt. 12:31; Luke 12:10 - Jesus says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Only God can be blasphemed.
John 4:24 - God is a spirit (the Holy Spirit) and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. Only God is worshiped.
and more......

3 persona 1 God or 3 Gods and that's the Mystery of The Holy Trinity...

thank you for elaborating your answer sir. here's what i found out from the verses you gave me:

John 4:10-13 --> what part here sir? this is about the lady he met in the well. maybe you are referring to John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one." Yes they are one sir, but not in being God, but they are one & the same in authority over the sheep. --> John 10:27-29 - "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand."

Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - "It is written..." --in here sir obviously Jesus is quoting a passage in the Old Testament to debunk what Satan is doing to him, just the same as we do when we quote verses in the Bible. Jesus is a Jew and they're using the Old Testament as their Holy Scripture whereas now we have the Old & New composing the Bible. Jesus is quoting Deutoronomy 6:16 - "Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah." Obviously sir he is not referring to himself as God in this verse.

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - sir God is not the only one that can forgive sins since Jesus has been given the authority too by the Father. Matthew 28:18 - "Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

The Spirit

Job 33:4 - sir, the man speaking to Job here has been made by the Spirit of God to speak sincerely. Hence it's read & understood this way: Job 33:3-4 - My words come from an upright heart;
my lips sincerely speak what I know.
The Spirit of God has made me;
Job 33:4-5 - the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Answer me then, if you can; -- actually the fault of numbering of the verses but if you disregard the faulty numbering, it will make sense.

Matt. 12:31; Luke 12:10 - i donnow which part of the Bible states only God can be blasphemed. Kindly provide a statement in the Bible if you're not making this up.

John 4:24 - yes sir God is a spirit but it doesn't mean because He is a spirit He is a god or the Holy Spirit, for there will be many gods or holy spirits for there are also angels and cherubim who are in spirit form...

[noy]

what will happen to the people who do not share the beliefs or practices of the catholic church? like most of the japanese ug uban nationalities na lain ug gi tuohan?

murag natubag naman ni? naa pa gani to link gi post...
anyways mao ni ang link that might give you an idea about the answer
Salvation Outside the Church | Catholic Answers

Edited: nalibog ra diay ko sa pages...sorry...i was reading backwards...hahaha..

[noy]

sorry sir, but can somebody elaborate more please? i have some verses that might help:

John 17:3 - "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." New International Version (©1984)

Luke 24:49 - "And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven." New Living Translation (©2007)

then THIS:

John 13:14-17 - "Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them." New International Version

PLUS this:

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 - "Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.”Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all." New International Version

aren't these verses so clear that there is a hierarchy between God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit themselves? That they're not one & the same like in a trinity? can someone debunk these verses?

no need to debunk bai as the verses you qouted are subject to each individuals POV and interpretation.
you may have depicted hierarchy in them but for Christians who believe in the Trnity
the hierarchy you are referring is what differenciates the 3 persons in the Trinity
that God is one but has 3 characteristics.

[noy]

thank you for your answer, but the same answer from me & with the ones i asked before, the good ol' classic "mystery". No offense sir, but i think this is a palusot I was born a RC, and still up to now, i still get this "mystery" answer.

1 Corinthians 14:33 - " For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people." New International Version

2 Timothy 3:16-17 - "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." New International Version

Based on the verses sir, God is not a "mystery" - He's easily understood since He is a God of order..as our creator, our only father and God in heaven..trinity is simply not taught in the Bible and it's just a make-belief of Tertullian in the 3rd century, more than a hundred years since the death of Christ and the apostles

Revelation 22:18-19 - "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." English Standard Version ---- and it seems Tertullian will get a share of the plagues

Anyone can answer aside from the usual "mystery", i'm still open for answers.

yeah i agree bai that there God can be a God of order,revelation and even specifics
but God is also a God of mystery you see...that's why Jesus would always say your faith has healed you everytime He heals.
one proof that God is indeed a mystery is that we would never ran out of questions.

[noy]

the mystery of the book was already revealed when Jesus was come to preach the gospel. this verse was written by john the Baptist

Revelation 22:10
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”

slabs, i think it was John the Apostle who wrote the book of revelations.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

'casue God came for the sinners and not for the self righteous jovs
in the same way Jesus taught to love our enemies so that we may be God's children
for God cuases his sun to shine on both the just and unjust.

if they're not allowed to hear God's word, how are they to repent?

love our enemies bro? mao diay na ang ubang pari, they love their tempter hehehe.

there are some bro nga musulod not after God's word, but mga rebolto, mga jewelries, cash or mga pari uyabon hehehe. nganong dili ka protect ang church against nila? knowing naay crucifix diha ug mga rebolto sa mga saints. wala diay power against nila nga mga dautan nga mga tawo?

[slabdans]

slabs, i think it was John the Apostle who wrote the book of revelations.

aw bitaw...salamat bai noy

[slabdans]

love our enemies bro? mao diay na ang ubang pari, they love their tempter hehehe.

there are some bro nga musulod not after God's word, but mga rebolto, mga jewelries, cash or mga pari uyabon hehehe. nganong dili ka protect ang church against nila? knowing naay crucifix diha ug mga rebolto sa mga saints. wala diay power against nila nga mga dautan nga mga tawo?

mao bitaw cge nag sulti ni bai Noy Jovi nga tawo ra biya pud na sila...kung sila (Pari, Pastor) mga nasayop ang uban usahay...ilahi ang Dios

[noy]

John 4:24 - yes sir God is a spirit but it doesn't mean because He is a spirit He is a god or the Holy Spirit, for there will be many gods or holy spirits for there are also angels and cherubim who are in spirit form...

The bible offers a few clues in determining which spirit does it talk about.
if the word spirit with its first letter being capitalized "S" the author is referring to the Spirit of God
otherwise the author is referring to another spirit.

yes,spirits comes in many forms, angels,demons, human spirit etc
however usa ra jud ang gi refer sa Bible as "The Holy Spirit" which is the Spirit of God.