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    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    yes.. but ang morality bro gibagay rna sa time and place, in our time bro mao na ang gi gonsider nga morality, due to existing laws, social standards, and biblical accounts.. next time ani bro basin magminyo na ang mga pari, and it would be considered morally right by then, but sa pagka karon dili pana sakto..
    Liboga diay sa Katoliko sa?

    Pwede nato masulti nga dili sila mahimung consistent sa ilang faith if that's the case nga mausab kung unsay moral? Kay ma-change man kaha kung unsay morally right.

  2. #4212
    Quote Originally Posted by NNNN View Post
    It goes true for morality right?

    So why does the Church (or pope) claim to be nga dili masayop in moral and spiritual aspect? Does that mean sakto sila karon (presently)?
    Like kanang pagmisa sa suicidal bro, wa mana gitugot sauna pero karon gitugot na, kanang pag prosecute sa alleged witched ang pagans gibuhat mana sauna sa simbahan pero karon wala na,

    In the end it's not the church or the pope that dictates what is morally just, it is the people that does the dictating..

  3. #4213
    Quote Originally Posted by NNNN View Post
    Liboga diay sa Katoliko sa?

    Pwede nato masulti nga dili sila mahimung consistent sa ilang faith if that's the case nga mausab kung unsay moral? Kay ma-change man kaha kung unsay morally right.
    nothing is ever consistent bro, even morality itself, but the belief in God will always be.

  4. #4214
    Quote Originally Posted by NNNN View Post
    Liboga diay sa Katoliko sa?

    Pwede nato masulti nga dili sila mahimung consistent sa ilang faith if that's the case nga mausab kung unsay moral? Kay ma-change man kaha kung unsay morally right.
    d man libog ang katoliko bro kamao lang jud cla mubasa sa bible..

    2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice..

    with respect to all religious sec i think one of the problem ani nila nga institutions is they are static when in reality it's all about change.. this is why puno au ni cla ug misunderstanding.. thats why you have krn daghan lain lain nga religions and I think a church divided is NOT a church at all..

  5. #4215
    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    Like kanang pagmisa sa suicidal bro, wa mana gitugot sauna pero karon gitugot na, kanang pag prosecute sa alleged witched ang pagans gibuhat mana sauna sa simbahan pero karon wala na,

    In the end it's not the church or the pope that dictates what is morally just, it is the people that does the dictating..
    it's all about realization brod....

    as what JPII said...evolution is not a hypothesis anymore...

    what he meant about it is that "evolution" by its term is happening, its not about the "apes stuff"

    but its the underlying meaning of evolution...the Church itself has evolved...evolved to be better that it was before...

    the Church has its own evolution, change for good, because of her realizations...

    that being said...doesn't mean the Church is not the Pillar and Ground of Truth...

    remember, Christ is the groom and the Church is the bride....(paraphrase from Ephesians 5:25-27)



    question, are we part of the Church?

  6. #4216
    Quote Originally Posted by seven_segment View Post
    it's all about realization brod....

    as what JPII said...evolution is not a hypothesis anymore...

    what he meant about it is that "evolution" by its term is happening, its not about the "apes stuff"

    but its the underlying meaning of evolution...the Church itself has evolved...evolved to be better that it was before...

    the Church has its own evolution, change for good, because of her realizations...

    that being said...doesn't mean the Church is not the Pillar and Ground of Truth...

    remember, Christ is the groom and the Church is the bride....(paraphrase from Ephesians 5:25-27)



    question, are we part of the Church?
    no bro, he really meant the science evolution when he said that..

  7. #4217
    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    pontiff (ˈpɒntɪf)
    — n
    a former title of the pagan high priest at Rome, later used of popes and occasionally of other bishops, and now confined exclusively to the pope

    [C17: from French pontife, from Latin pontifex ]

    pontiff na daan ang high priest sa wapa nakahimo ug catholic church ang rome. so possible, gidala ra gihapon na nila nga title? from pagan to catholicism?
    i believe jovs kadtong pagan pa ang Rome they call their chief and high priest "pontiff"
    and yes pagan pa to ang Rome ato...
    by the time that they converted to Christianity, with Pope being the Chief and High Priest
    still calls the Pope Pontiff as citizens of Rome addressing to their high priest
    BUT NOT as pagan.
    after all, The Pope is technically the high priest of the Official Roman Religion which at the time i dunno if mao ba gihapun run is Catholicism.

    for example, naay amerikano nga naminyo ug pinay who calls her biological father "tatay"
    tungod kay ang amerikano iyang bana it would follow nga tatay pud iyang tawag sa iyang father in-law diba?
    karun does that follow nga sa pagtawag ug tatay sa "kano" nahimo siyang Pinoy?
    of course no, mao lang iyang pagtawag sa iyang father in-law becase mao man ang tawag sa iyang asawa nga pinay

    in the same way romans who converted to Christianity refer to the pope as the pontiff the high priest
    'cause after all they are still Romans. but this time as Catholics and not pagan

    Allah is how muslims call God, i believe Allah and Christian's Father God
    are the same as per Abrahamnic Religions..
    i wouldn't mind calling God by the name Allah esp if i am speaking with a muslim brother or sister
    and that does not follow that i converted to Islam by calling God Allah does it?

    Hope we see the connection.
    Last edited by noy; 01-07-2013 at 05:34 PM.

  8. #4218
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterK View Post
    ako sad pangutana. kana inig "our Father" sa misa, magunitay ba gyud sa kamot or kana ra iisa ang kamot pinahayang ang palad or pwede ra sad barog lang pinahimos ang kamot?
    hi master, di ko sure ani ha
    but i think wala man jud cguroy nag ingun nga ug unsa dapat atong gesture when singing/praying the Lord's prayer
    but i think it is up to the individual kung asa siya mas komportable ug convicted...mas maayo whatever it is it should be
    from the heart, like naay uban mura na ug mag dupa, naay uban kay praying hands lang
    so wala juy ingun ta nga specific...ang importante it is done as an act of worship

    for me, if di lang pud ko maka cause ug kahibulongan..hehehe
    i would raise my hands as high as they might for i am addressing to the most high...
    or i would hold the hands sa akong tupad maski pa ug dili kaila as a sign og unity in faith
    after all, the prayer starts with "Our Father" not "My Father"

    in short, kining mga gestures are just a matter of conviction para nako master.

  9. #4219
    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    bro im not a Catholic, so let me speak in my own behalf, this is my own opinion when i was a catholic..

    Atong judgement kutob ra diri sa kalibutan, sa langit naay higher court for that.. for me, to assume nga malangit ang usa ka tawo is premature, hence the "whether or not" phrase,.

    bro bisag sa kahoy pa nto ipaagi atong pag-ampo, for me it's no big deal, bisag naay verse sa bible nga dili pwede, as long as ni respect ka sa imong isig kaingon ug buotan gihapon ka, to me mao rnay importante.. The kind of God that you believe hears you no matter where you pray it to, He would always know that your prayers are for Him..
    mao gani libog, kay mu ingun nga ang Ginoo ray nakahibalo sa atung kasing kasing nya while naa pa sa Yuta mu declaire na nga ang isa ka tawo Santos unya mu ingun nsad wa kahibalo if nalangit ba tong tawhana. Mu ingun nga premature if mu ingun ka nga malangit ang isa ka tawo nya himuon nimung saint?

    Naay mga paagi gihatag ang Dios unsaon pag ampo niya, if imu nang supakon, matawag ba nato nga nituoo ka niya? Mao bitaw naay balaod para dapat sundon nya para anha masukod if nituo ba gyud ka niya - unya bisag unsa na nuon. Maong naay balaod kay dunay rason nganu ghatag nga specifically nga balaod, wa man ni ingun ang Ginoo nga kini akong balod suggestion ra ni ug pwedi ni di tumanon.

  10. #4220
    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed View Post
    d man libog ang katoliko bro kamao lang jud cla mubasa sa bible..

    2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice..

    with respect to all religious sec i think one of the problem ani nila nga institutions is they are static when in reality it's all about change.. this is why puno au ni cla ug misunderstanding.. thats why you have krn daghan lain lain nga religions and I think a church divided is NOT a church at all..
    Ang teachings sa Katoliko di ra bibliya gibasehan, nagbase sad sa tradition sa Simbahan, mao libog.

    naa diay sa Bibliya nga mag ampo tang maria? dis a man na kuhaa, di ba sa church tradition man na?

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