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  1. #3821

    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    matud pang Jesus bai, "blessed are those who have not seen yet believed"
    there are tons of Historical Facts and Records that Jesus walked on earth.
    what's on debate really is His divinity.


    even Jesus said that too...whenever He heals, He would say "your faith has healed you"..our lives alone is full of uncertainties...we live by faith everday..
    and we do the act of faith in almost everything...so how come you find faith illogical?
    when making tough dicisions, we use faith...
    when choosing a spouse, we use faith...even in believing that God does not exist...we use faith..'cause one can only say "i thinks there's no God" but never
    "i know there's no God" simply because of uncertainties.

    plus it doesnt automatically mean that one who believes in Jesus,bleieved in Him without any basis at all aside from Faith.


    The shroud of turin as per initital Carbon Dating is dated between 11th to 13th century, which is 200-300 years earlier than Leo Da Vinci..
    so it is not possible.
    so is the turin fake? 'cause it should have been dated in the 1st century...
    reason i said initially 'cause the carbon dating process through accurate...but only tested the sides of the shroud and not the actual picture..
    which progresses to another theory that the tested parts where patches due to repairs from damages overtime.

    there is a new process for carbon dating thorugh that no longer requires sample but can actually test the entire shroud therefore revealing a more clearer conclusion...BUT the test hasnt been done yet...it is still in proposal...

    that's just one side of the coin bai...
    yes, there are corrupt people in the church, but it doesnt mean that the CHURCH itself is corrupt...
    by this Logic...
    as politics being associated with corruption...We can also conclude that ALL Politicians are corrupt BUT we both know that it is NOT true.

    just in case you are a member of a Fraternity, for sure you know not all Fratmen are warfreaks.
    but again by the Logic used earlier...ALL Fratmen are.
    nice one bro you hit reali GOOD....

  2. #3822
    Quote Originally Posted by Bibi Jones View Post
    dia pay lain braders...kita mga cristians apil ko hah....bog no pirmi kon kinsa maka proved na siya maoy tinood og igsakto nga sumusonod ni JESUS....pause ta gamay...try to look farther bih....lets say JAPAN karon...new breeds dont know anything about GOD ang religion...wa man lagi ninyo kondema sila nga anti christ og aetheist...perog ako na gani mosulti bati na ko kau para ninyo...hayman bih....louy hapon kay walay ginoo....pero kamo diri....wa mo malooy sa inyong kaugalingon nga cge mog istorya bahin sa ginoo pero ang inyong ginoo ang IPHONE 5 made in japan...baba ra taman ang word na ginoo...pero inyong gusto paliton IPHONE 5...di ra kamo brads hasta mga pari materialistik kayong dako...nya look farther more IPHONE 5 is made in japan diay...ang mga tawo way ginoo maoy nag himo sa inyong ginoo...nga si IPHONE 5...sample ra ni si IPHONE bro ha...daghan pani sila....MATERIAL nga butang.nga gipanganduy sa matag usa ka kristianus...

    TUBAG ani we are not japanese...di ta mo kopara...cge malaysia nalng kay medyo pareha ra natog panit...dili kristiano pero taas og na abot sa ila panginabuhi pagkakaron...maayo ang goberyno...

    di bah kaha tongod sa pag cge natog claim we are good kristian wa noon ta mo asinso....
    wala kaha nimu mageneralize ang mga Christianos bai?
    are you sure walay nagsangyaw sa Christianismo ngadto sa ubang nasod?like japan ug uban pa?

    ang pagasenso bai,Christiano or dili...basta tapolan...lisud jud na abton.

    ug muingun ko nga Christian ko, unya di ko mangita ug trabaho ug di nako gamiton akong kaalam
    tungod kay God will provide lagi
    way gamit akong pagka christiano PLUS insulto pa na sa Ginoo nga naghatag nako ani tanan(if so,God indeed provides)
    provides resources and all...NOT Literally..though at times miracles do happen...nga literal jud kaau...
    but in most case as per reality...we need to work our butts out!

    the bible teaches about faith and action.
    Jesus shared a parable about talents...

  3. #3823
    Quote Originally Posted by Bibi Jones View Post
    dia pay lain braders...kita mga cristians apil ko hah....bog no pirmi kon kinsa maka proved na siya maoy tinood og igsakto nga sumusonod ni JESUS....pause ta gamay...try to look farther bih....lets say JAPAN karon...new breeds dont know anything about GOD ang religion...wa man lagi ninyo kondema sila nga anti christ og aetheist...perog ako na gani mosulti bati na ko kau para ninyo...hayman bih....louy hapon kay walay ginoo....pero kamo diri....wa mo malooy sa inyong kaugalingon nga cge mog istorya bahin sa ginoo pero ang inyong ginoo ang IPHONE 5 made in japan...baba ra taman ang word na ginoo...pero inyong gusto paliton IPHONE 5...di ra kamo brads hasta mga pari materialistik kayong dako...nya look farther more IPHONE 5 is made in japan diay...ang mga tawo way ginoo maoy nag himo sa inyong ginoo...nga si IPHONE 5...sample ra ni si IPHONE bro ha...daghan pani sila....MATERIAL nga butang.nga gipanganduy sa matag usa ka kristianus...

    TUBAG ani we are not japanese...di ta mo kopara...cge malaysia nalng kay medyo pareha ra natog panit...dili kristiano pero taas og na abot sa ila panginabuhi pagkakaron...maayo ang goberyno...

    di bah kaha tongod sa pag cge natog claim we are good kristian wa noon ta mo asinso....
    First of all we do not and should not condemn anyone because we are not judges. Ang Dios ra ang naay katungod ana. Bug-at man gud kaayo nang condemn na word mam. Siguro imong ipasabot kananga moingon nga sayop ni mao ni sakto? Aysa ha naabot man kag Iphone 5. Nag-assume na man ka din imo pa jud gi generalize. Siguro para klaro imo argumento e prove sa imo punto nga Iphone 5 na ang nahimong Ginoo ug e specify kinsa nang "kamo". Yes naa uban materialistic pero di pud tanan specially kato naa sa mission field. For sure delikado ila kahimtang didto.

    Last nimo na point is I think naa ra na sa mga tao not sa religion. Daghan man pud non-Christian countries na wa pud moasinso.

  4. #3824
    Quote Originally Posted by Bibi Jones View Post
    dia pay lain braders...kita mga cristians apil ko hah....bog no pirmi kon kinsa maka proved na siya maoy tinood og igsakto nga sumusonod ni JESUS....pause ta gamay...try to look farther bih....lets say JAPAN karon...new breeds dont know anything about GOD ang religion...wa man lagi ninyo kondema sila nga anti christ og aetheist...perog ako na gani mosulti bati na ko kau para ninyo...hayman bih....louy hapon kay walay ginoo....pero kamo diri....wa mo malooy sa inyong kaugalingon nga cge mog istorya bahin sa ginoo pero ang inyong ginoo ang IPHONE 5 made in japan...baba ra taman ang word na ginoo...pero inyong gusto paliton IPHONE 5...di ra kamo brads hasta mga pari materialistik kayong dako...nya look farther more IPHONE 5 is made in japan diay...ang mga tawo way ginoo maoy nag himo sa inyong ginoo...nga si IPHONE 5...sample ra ni si IPHONE bro ha...daghan pani sila....MATERIAL nga butang.nga gipanganduy sa matag usa ka kristianus...

    TUBAG ani we are not japanese...di ta mo kopara...cge malaysia nalng kay medyo pareha ra natog panit...dili kristiano pero taas og na abot sa ila panginabuhi pagkakaron...maayo ang goberyno...

    di bah kaha tongod sa pag cge natog claim we are good kristian wa noon ta mo asinso....
    b4 ko mo tubag bro hatage sa ko sa perspective sa tinohoan sa mga hapon...kay sa ako nahibaw-an naa may mga hapon na Christian

    unya ayaw e apil ang materialistic kay abahin man ug pagtuo ang imong pangutana
    Last edited by slabdans; 12-27-2012 at 09:29 PM.

  5. #3825
    Quote Originally Posted by Bibi Jones View Post
    nice one bro you hit reali GOOD....
    mura diay ug Hit me baby one more time! hehehe...bitaw Thanks mam.
    Last edited by noy; 12-27-2012 at 09:27 PM.

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    "We can't read the bible for three minutes then watch Tv for three hours and expect to grow."
    - Rick Warren

    Or in this case, surf and turf on the worldwideweb for hours on end.
    Just live your faith and become witnesses to the gospel. When God wants us to speak up in defense of His teachings, He always has our soul's benefit in mind. Each and everyone of us. Any argument who starts with, "We are right" will be doomed to fail bec. he lacks the very foundation of prayer, which is humility, as a tool to receive His grace. "Man is a beggar before God" says St. Augustine. In order to become effective evangelizers, in order to WIN SOULS for His Kingdom, it is imperative that we bear good fruit.*
    We have a common enemy and we all know who He is. He is working day and night to seek the ruin of our souls. So in order for us to recognize him, just look at the fruits he bore. Disjoint, discord, chaos, disorder, distort. All of which are contrary to Jesus's teachings of loving thy neighbor as thyself. *
    So remember it is not our words that change hearts but His that pierces our soul like a double-edged sword. *

    Shalom! *

  7. #3827
    To see is to believe .... hmmmm .....

    The age old joke of all .

    BIBI JONES .... kakita ka sa utok nimo ? Please dont say YES because you do not but you know that it is there . Dili ba kana usa ka FAITH pod ?
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

  8. #3828
    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40 View Post
    To see is to believe .... hmmmm .....

    The age old joke of all .

    BIBI JONES .... kakita ka sa utok nimo ? Please dont say YES because you do not but you know that it is there . Dili ba kana usa ka FAITH pod ?
    wrong example bro,
    dli man na faith oi, kay kabalo ka na naay imo utok kay naay mga actual images ug actual nakakita sa utok, and if nahan ka makakita sa imo utok kay magpa brainscan ra ka, makakita ka sa imo utok therefore proven na naa kay utok.

  9. #3829
    misahan raman guro na,naa man nag hikog dri sa amu nga gi misahan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibi Jones View Post
    mga braders nganu kaha no, naka ask lang ko hah, of all the time period sa history...nganu nga si JESUS Christ didto man gyud ni appear sa panahon wa pay internet....nga kon boot hunahunaon based sa ako na sabtan sa iyang specs being GOD siya may magboot sa tanan panghitabo...kaning inyo gihagoan og debate trying to prove kinsay bright ninyo diri, ug uban pa daghan man kaha na iskwelahan...kay pirti man maka ininglis...pero sa simpleng binisaya mao ni ako pangutana.....y did GOD appear in / on record based on the bible sa panahon nga wa pa gyud ingong maka record og image na siya ni exist....

    ang mga pari mo ingon dayon....FAITH brader ang tubag ana....believing with out seeing daw...pero sori kau kay di ko ka logic ana gyud...

    simpli lang gyud.....why so backward in the timeline hah......wa gyud matawag ibidensiya....the TURIN covers nga na imprint ang nawong sa ginoo....pero piece of photo art man daw tong agaw da vinci...

    cge na lang mga hait og otok diri bi....out of topik man gyud ni pero relevant pod ni sa issue....CHURCH....dili building kon dili fellowship....i got the point....bisag murag ilad pero bati man kon mo against tah ...wa nay mo votar nato inig election dibah....cge nalang....HIT me more....
    Kung mosaka ta ug hagdan asa man diay
    ta magsugod adto diay sa tunga2x.
    Sharing ra man mi dire bah,

    Wala may contest dire,
    we wish only to probe (as possible as we can)
    sa maabot lang kung unsa gyud ang pinaka-feasible.

    Maora man ug all knowing ba gyud ta
    kay naa na gyud tay basehan sa atong logic,
    flimsy pa gihapon ang uban,
    dili pa tanan ma-prove sa science.

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