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  1. #1931

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    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    sorry bro, but wala ka kasabot. Ang nagstorya storya ana si Paul ug dili si Jesus. klaro? ang clue: Saul Asked wala niingon, Jesus said

    I check unta nimo ang background ni Paul bro, kung studyante ba siya ni Jesus, unsa iyang past, before ka motoo dayon sa iyang storya ug iyang gi preach. You are a Christian bro, according to Paul, not according to Jesus.
    wala ka kasabot? ka klaro ana ni engon mismo si Jesus (I am Jesus)...pag ato ipadayon ang statement sa bible mao ni

    kinsa may gibutahan sa Ginoo tungod sa iyang pag lotos sa mga tinon-an? s paul diba?
    kinsa may Gisugo ni Ginoo pag adto aning tawhana?(Paul) si ananias nag istorya sila sa Ginoo
    ug sa Acts 9:15mao na ang tubag sa Ginoo..iyang gipili si Paul.
    Acts 9:11-16
    11 The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12 In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.”

    13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. 14 And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”

    15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”

  2. #1932

    Default Re: The DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. unsa inyong knowledge about God?

    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    @ Jovi ug imo isulti dili siya Direct student nga nag cloak, ngano same man sila ug teachings samga apotol?
    ngano parehas man silag Gi-ila nga manluluwas?...unya ngano lahi man ang imo
    gi unsa man pag same bro, nga ang original teachings ni Jesus ug iyang mga direct students, ang Christ ky attainment man ni Jesus. pag-abot ni Paul giusab, Si Jesus ug Christ usa ra. si Paul pertaining to the body of Jesus as Christ while the direct students of Jesus, ang Christ ni Jesus iyaha man soul. Kanang 4 gospels bro, kung imo ng basahan, directly gikan na ni Jesus while ang kang Paul iyaha na, ug dili na direct gikan ni Jesus. Iyang tsismis ky wala man siya nahimong studyante. Ang mga studyante ni Jesus ky 120 kabook, apil na Mary Magdalene, Thomas, Judas. Basaha na ilang mga gospel, adto nimo makita ang teachings tinu-uray ni Jesus ug dili ang version nga giusab ni Paul. Mao na ang warning ni Jesus sa iyang mga direct students, false prophet usa na si Paul. But the Jesus and his direct students are well prepared na, in fact ang iyang instructions about that naa pa sa bible, wala sila kabalo nga kabalo na si Jesus nga ma crucify siya, but naa na sila escape plan and continued the true Christianity (school) to the other countries like India, Tibet ug uban nga mga silingan nga countries. Kabalo sila nga maabot gyud na sa school, but wala lng gihapon sila maka abolish gyud sa tinood nga Christianity ni Jesus.

  3. #1933

    Default Re: The DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. unsa inyong knowledge about God?

    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    wala ka kasabot? ka klaro ana ni engon mismo si Jesus (I am Jesus)...pag ato ipadayon ang statement sa bible mao ni

    kinsa may gibutahan sa Ginoo tungod sa iyang pag lotos sa mga tinon-an? s paul diba?
    kinsa may Gisugo ni Ginoo pag adto aning tawhana?(Paul) si ananias nag istorya sila sa Ginoo
    ug sa Acts 9:15mao na ang tubag sa Ginoo..iyang gipili si Paul.
    pero mao lagi gihapon, kana tanan storya na ni Paul, unlike sa four gospels nga si Jesus gyud mismo ang nag storya.

    tagaan ta ka ug example bro. maghimo ko ug diary or story, unya akong gibutang didto, niingon si Bro Slabdans gwapo daw ko. kinsa ang naghimo sa story/diary, Ako or si Bro Slabdans?

  4. #1934

    Default Re: The DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. unsa inyong knowledge about God?

    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    e quote ang verse naa man kaha sa bible
    i have shared already bible verses about secret teachings of God, third eye, reincarnation and karma

  5. #1935

    Default Re: The DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. unsa inyong knowledge about God?

    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    dili Ginoo ang naghatag ug condition ana, wai Ginoo nga muhatag ug condition, it only means you created a limitation for God, you think that God's love has limitation, and that God has limits. wala pa man gani nakatugkad gyud ni God, unya kamo inyoha na gibuhatan ug limitation. only evil can twist that.
    Tinuod bro wala y makatugkad sa gugma sa Ginoo sa atua....can you imagine sa iyang bugtong anak nga iyang gihatag para lang ma portray ug makasabot ta kung unsa kadako sa iyang gugma?

    Then nagtuo ka nga righteous, just, loving pa ang ginoo kung walay justice nga iyang ihatag sa creation? kung mauhon na bro, ang dautan nga taw mosamot sa iyang pagkadautan until sya mamatay tungod kay loving bitaw ang ginoo, pasayloon raman kaha sya throughout eternity.

    And why is it everytime naay magbuhat nato ug evil dili manta ganahan kung acceptable lang diay sa atua? How much more of a HOLY GOD? imong ginoo kay unholy tingali....sa bagay unsa may buot anang impersonal god nimo!

  6. #1936

    Default Re: The DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. unsa inyong knowledge about God?

    God in three persons

    God the Father
    - Godhead
    - who created all things
    - who sent the Son

    God the Son
    - who incarnated, dwell with us as a man, was crucified, resurrected and became the Life-giving Spirit and ascended

    God the Holy Spirit
    - who can enter into our spirit
    - mingling the human and divine spirit
    - causing us to be saturated with Him
    - making us one with Him
    - making us the same as He is in life and nature but not in the Godhead.

  7. #1937

    Default Re: The DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. unsa inyong knowledge about God?

    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    gi unsa man pag same bro, nga ang original teachings ni Jesus ug iyang mga direct students, ang Christ ky attainment man ni Jesus. pag-abot ni Paul giusab, Si Jesus ug Christ usa ra. si Paul pertaining to the body of Jesus as Christ while the direct students of Jesus, ang Christ ni Jesus iyaha man soul. Kanang 4 gospels bro, kung imo ng basahan, directly gikan na ni Jesus while ang kang Paul iyaha na, ug dili na direct gikan ni Jesus. Iyang tsismis ky wala man siya nahimong studyante. Ang mga studyante ni Jesus ky 120 kabook, apil na Mary Magdalene, Thomas, Judas. Basaha na ilang mga gospel, adto nimo makita ang teachings tinu-uray ni Jesus ug dili ang version nga giusab ni Paul. Mao na ang warning ni Jesus sa iyang mga direct students, false prophet usa na si Paul. But the Jesus and his direct students are well prepared na, in fact ang iyang instructions about that naa pa sa bible, wala sila kabalo nga kabalo na si Jesus nga ma crucify siya, but naa na sila escape plan and continued the true Christianity (school) to the other countries like India, Tibet ug uban nga mga silingan nga countries. Kabalo sila nga maabot gyud na sa school, but wala lng gihapon sila maka abolish gyud sa tinood nga Christianity ni Jesus.
    These statements are somehow , somewhat HISTORICAL in nature .

    Please cite your references on these .
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

  8. #1938

    Default Re: The DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. unsa inyong knowledge about God?

    Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijogi unsa man pag same bro, nga ang original teachings ni Jesus ug iyang mga direct students, ang Christ ky attainment man ni Jesus. pag-abot ni Paul giusab, Si Jesus ug Christ usa ra. si Paul pertaining to the body of Jesus as Christ while the direct students of Jesus, ang Christ ni Jesus iyaha man soul. Kanang 4 gospels bro, kung imo ng basahan, directly gikan na ni Jesus while ang kang Paul iyaha na, ug dili na direct gikan ni Jesus. Iyang tsismis ky wala man siya nahimong studyante. Ang mga studyante ni Jesus ky 120 kabook, apil na Mary Magdalene, Thomas, Judas. Basaha na ilang mga gospel, adto nimo makita ang teachings tinu-uray ni Jesus ug dili ang version nga giusab ni Paul. Mao na ang warning ni Jesus sa iyang mga direct students, false prophet usa na si Paul. But the Jesus and his direct students are well prepared na, in fact ang iyang instructions about that naa pa sa bible, wala sila kabalo nga kabalo na si Jesus nga ma crucify siya, but naa na sila escape plan and continued the true Christianity (school) to the other countries like India, Tibet ug uban nga mga silingan nga countries. Kabalo sila nga maabot gyud na sa school, but wala lng gihapon sila maka abolish gyud sa tinood nga Christianity ni Jesus.
    Jovs, you are basing your belief on gnosticism. Bisan pa unsaon ninyog palusot ang OCCULT belief bro, still strong and evidence diha sa bible, history, and other sources that REINCARNATION/IMPERSONAL GOD is FALSE!

    Ben Witherington, Professor of New Testament at Asbury Theological Seminary says...

    “Before we turn to these documents, it is important to state a crucial principle of historical study: It is always more likely that those sources that come from eyewitnesses or those who were in contact with eyewitnesses will provide us with the best data about an ancient person than documents that were composed several centuries later, as were the Gnostic Gospels. There would need to be clear and compelling evidence corroborated by several later sources for us to take the word of later documents that Jesus was married. There is no such evidence, even in the Gnostic Gospels.” (The Gospel Code, p.32)

    “The essential question is, ‘What were the earliest documents (and what do they say)?’ The answer is the New Testament itself. We have no documents earlier than these, and as any good historian knows, the documents closest to the source of a movement are likely to be most revealing about its origins. The documents written by eyewitnesses or those in contact with eyewitnesses are our primary sources, and these documents happen to be in the New Testament, plus a few other likely first-century documents, such as the Didache and 1 Clement.” (The Gospel Code, p.11

    What's wrong with the Gnostic Gospels

    I was recently asked what sources can we use to ‘prove’ our belief that the Gnostic Gospels are unreliable. It’s a good question and one which is relatively straightforward to answer. The Gnostic Gospels have been rejected since the very earliest days of the church. The early church accepted the four NT gospels because they were written by apostles who had met Jesus or their immediate associates. The apostles were the only authoritative eyewitnesses of Jesus. No other so-called gospels fit these criteria.

    1. Jesus gave his apostles, the twelve and Paul, the authority to be his witnesses (Mk.3:13-19, Matt.10:1-. They were eyewitnesses of his resurrection (Lk.24:33-44, Jn.20:24, Acts 1:1-3). They understood who he was and were promised the power of the Holy Spirit so that they might teach the truth (Lk.24:44-49, Jn.14:26). Jesus appointed Paul on the Damascus Road to be the thirteenth apostle and made him an eyewitness of his resurrection (Acts 26:13-18, 1 Cor.15:1-8, Gal.1:1, 11-12).

    2. The early church declared that these first apostles were the only people who had authority to write about Jesus.

    Clement c.95
    “The apostles have preached the gospel to us from the Lord Jesus Christ: Jesus Christ has done so from God. Christ therefore was sent forth by God, and the apostles by Christ.” (1 Clement 42.1)

    Ignatius c.105
    Study, therefore, to be established in the doctrines of the Lord and the apostles. (Magnesians, 13)

    Polycarp c. 117
    “Let us therefore so serve Him (God) with fear and all reverence as He Himself gave commandment and the apostles who preached the gospel to us and the prophets who proclaimed beforehand the coming of our
    Lord.” (Philippians 6)

    Irenaeus c.180
    “For the Lord of all gave to his apostles the power of the gospel through whom also we have known the truth, that is, the doctrine of the Son of God (Against Heresies 3.5)…The apostles, likewise being disciples of the truth, are above all falsehood ” (Against Heresies 3 Preface)

    3. The early church certain there was only one standard of truth and orthodoxy which had been passed on from the first apostles.

    Irenaeus c.180
    In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same life-giving faith, which has been preserved in the church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth. (Against Heresies 3.3)

    Tertullian c.197
    The apostles were ignorant of nothing and they preached nothing that contradicted one another. (Against Heretics 25)

    4. The four NT Gospels were written soon after the resurrection of Jesus and then accepted by the early church as the only authoritative gospels from the apostles and their associates. Matthew and John were apostles, Mark and Luke worked closely with Paul and Peter (Col.4:14, 1 Pet.5:13).

    5. The early church leaders from the resurrection to the end of the second century formed a succession of those who personally handed down the truth and the gospels from the apostles. E.g. John the Apostle (d. 95AD) —— Polycarp (69-155AD) —— Irenaeus (130-200AD).

    Polycarp c. 117
    “Let us therefore so serve Him (God) with fear and all reverence as He Himself gave commandment and the apostles who preached the gospel to us and the prophets who proclaimed beforehand the coming of our Lord.” (Philippians 6)

    Irenaeus about Polycarp c. 180
    Polycarp also was instructed by apostles, and he spoke with many who had seen Christ. Not only that, but by apostles, in Asia he was appointed bishop of the church in Smyrna. I also saw him in my early youth, for he lived a very long time. When he was a very old man, he gloriously and most nobly suffered martyrdom and departed this life. He had always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the church has handed down, and which alone are true(Against Heresies 3.3.4)…he would speak of his familiar relations with John, and with the rest of those who had seen the Lord. He would call their words to remembrance. So Polycarp received it in this manner from the eyewitnesses of the Word of life. Whatever things he had heard from them respecting the Lord (concerning both His miracles and His teaching), he would recount—all in harmony with the Scriptures.(Florinus 2)

    6. The early church rejected the Gnostic Gospels because they contradicted the teaching of the apostles.

    Ignatius c. 105
    How much more will this be the case with anyone who by wicked doctrine corrupts the faith of God, for which Jesus Christ was crucified! Such a one becomes defiled. He will go away into everlasting fire, and so will everyone that listens to him (Ephesians 16)…But if, as some that are without God, that is, the unbelieving, say, He became man in appearance [only], that He did not in reality take unto Him a body, that He died in appearance [merely], and did not in very deed suffer, then for what reason am I now in bonds, and long to be exposed to the wild beasts? In such a case, I die in vain, and am guilty of falsehood against the cross of the Lord. (Trallians 10)

    Irenaeus c.180
    How the Valentinians pervert the Scriptures to support their own pious opinions…This, then, is their system, which neither the prophets announced, nor the Lord taught, nor the apostles delivered. However, they boast that they have a perfect knowledge, beyond all others. They gather their views from other sources than the Scriptures. (Against Heresies 1.

    Irenaeus c.180
    These things being so, all who destroy the form of the Gospel are vain, unlearned, and also audacious; those, [I mean, ] who represent the aspects of the Gospel as being either more in number than as aforesaid, or, on the other hand, fewer. The former class [do so], that they may seem to have discovered more than is of the truth; the latter, that they may set the dispensations of God aside. (Against Heresies 3.9)

    Irenaeus c.180
    On the other hand, those who are from Valentinus are altogether reckless. They create their own Scriptures, boasting that they possess more Gospels than there really are. Indeed, they have gone to such a degree of audacity, as to entitle their comparatively recent writing the Gospel of Truth though it agrees in nothing with the Gospels of the Apostles so that they have really no gospel which is not full of blasphemy. (Against Heresies 3.9)

    Irenaeus c.180
    “Others again declare that Cain derived his being from the Power above, and acknowledge that Esau, Korah, the Sodomites, and all such persons, are related to themselves. On this account, they add, they have been assailed by the Creator, yet no one of them has suffered injury. For Sophia was in the habit of carrying off that which belonged to her from them to herself. They declare that Judas the traitor was thoroughly acquainted with these things, and that he alone, knowing the truth as no others did, accomplished the mystery of the betrayal; by him all things, both earthly and heavenly, were thus thrown into confusion. They produce a fictitious history of this kind, which they style the Gospel of Judas.” (Against Heresies 1.31)

    Origen c.254
    “I know a certain gospel which is called “The Gospel according to Thomas” and a “Gospel according to Matthias” and many others have we read – lest we should in any way be considered ignorant of those who imagine they possess some knowledge if they are acquainted with these. Nevertheless, among all these we have approved solely what the church has recognized, which is that only four gospels should be accepted.” (Homily on Luke 1:1)

    7. The early church stated that the four NT gospels refute the Gnostic Gospels.

    Irenaeus c.180
    The Ebionites, who use only Matthew’s Gospel, are refuted out of this very same work, making false suppositions with regard to the Lord. But Marcion, mutilating the Gospel according to Luke, is still proved to be a blasphemer of the only existing God, from those passages which he still retains. Those, again, who separate Jesus from Christ, alleging that Christ remained impassible, but that it was Jesus who suffered, prefer the Gospel by Mark. However, if they read it with a love of truth, they would have their errors rectified. Those persons, moreover, who follow Valentinus, make copious use of the Gospel according to John to illustrate their conjunctions. However, they, too, will be proved to be totally in error. (Against Heresies 3.7)

    9. The Gnostic Gospels were written more than 125 years after Jesus’ death when all the eyewitnesses were gone. The four Gospels were written within 50 years of Jesus’ death by eyewitnesses or their close associates while other eyewitnesses were still living.

    source:
    What's wrong with the Gnostic Gospels « behindthewillowtrees

  9. #1939

    Default Re: The DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. unsa inyong knowledge about God?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40 View Post
    These statements are somehow , somewhat HISTORICAL in nature .

    Please cite your references on these .
    We, students of the true Christianity (school) are taught what really Christ is. We are given also a meditation that can awaken the Christ in us. it is the same that Jesus taught to his disciples or direct students. A student is personally guided by a teacher who had performed and actually had experienced the Christ in them already. No instructions were ever written to protect the teachings. Saul/Paul was not a direct student of Jesus unlike Matthew, John, Luke and Mark. And he was not a student of any direct students of Jesus.

    If you check Matt. 24:5, he already warned his direct students that many shall come in his name saying He is Christ. And that many would be deceived. And also Matt. 24:23, Jesus warned them that don't believe saying here or there is Christ.

    On Acts 9:5, Saul/Paul is telling that he met Jesus though he did not clearly see, only a light. And that Jesus actually talked to him. Then after that on other verse, Saul/Paul preached that Jesus is Christ which the new Christianity (religion) is now believing. But Jesus already warned those to his disciples/direct students.

    Matthew 24
    King James Version (KJV)
    4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25 Behold, I have told you before.

    Acts 9
    King James Version (KJV)
    9 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
    2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
    3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
    4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
    5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

    6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
    7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.[/B]
    8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
    9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
    Last edited by jovipeorliohacokijo; 12-19-2012 at 03:30 PM.

  10. #1940

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    Jovs, you are basing your belief on gnosticism. Bisan pa unsaon ninyog palusot ang OCCULT belief bro, still strong and evidence diha sa bible, history, and other sources that REINCARNATION/IMPERSONAL GOD is FALSE!

    Ben Witherington, Professor of New Testament at Asbury Theological Seminary says...

    “Before we turn to these documents, it is important to state a crucial principle of historical study: It is always more likely that those sources that come from eyewitnesses or those who were in contact with eyewitnesses will provide us with the best data about an ancient person than documents that were composed several centuries later, as were the Gnostic Gospels. There would need to be clear and compelling evidence corroborated by several later sources for us to take the word of later documents that Jesus was married. There is no such evidence, even in the Gnostic Gospels.” (The Gospel Code, p.32)

    “The essential question is, ‘What were the earliest documents (and what do they say)?’ The answer is the New Testament itself. We have no documents earlier than these, and as any good historian knows, the documents closest to the source of a movement are likely to be most revealing about its origins. The documents written by eyewitnesses or those in contact with eyewitnesses are our primary sources, and these documents happen to be in the New Testament, plus a few other likely first-century documents, such as the Didache and 1 Clement.” (The Gospel Code, p.11

    What's wrong with the Gnostic Gospels

    I was recently asked what sources can we use to ‘prove’ our belief that the Gnostic Gospels are unreliable. It’s a good question and one which is relatively straightforward to answer. The Gnostic Gospels have been rejected since the very earliest days of the church. The early church accepted the four NT gospels because they were written by apostles who had met Jesus or their immediate associates. The apostles were the only authoritative eyewitnesses of Jesus. No other so-called gospels fit these criteria.

    1. Jesus gave his apostles, the twelve and Paul, the authority to be his witnesses (Mk.3:13-19, Matt.10:1-. They were eyewitnesses of his resurrection (Lk.24:33-44, Jn.20:24, Acts 1:1-3). They understood who he was and were promised the power of the Holy Spirit so that they might teach the truth (Lk.24:44-49, Jn.14:26). Jesus appointed Paul on the Damascus Road to be the thirteenth apostle and made him an eyewitness of his resurrection (Acts 26:13-18, 1 Cor.15:1-8, Gal.1:1, 11-12).

    2. The early church declared that these first apostles were the only people who had authority to write about Jesus.

    Clement c.95
    “The apostles have preached the gospel to us from the Lord Jesus Christ: Jesus Christ has done so from God. Christ therefore was sent forth by God, and the apostles by Christ.” (1 Clement 42.1)

    Ignatius c.105
    Study, therefore, to be established in the doctrines of the Lord and the apostles. (Magnesians, 13)

    Polycarp c. 117
    “Let us therefore so serve Him (God) with fear and all reverence as He Himself gave commandment and the apostles who preached the gospel to us and the prophets who proclaimed beforehand the coming of our
    Lord.” (Philippians 6)

    Irenaeus c.180
    “For the Lord of all gave to his apostles the power of the gospel through whom also we have known the truth, that is, the doctrine of the Son of God (Against Heresies 3.5)…The apostles, likewise being disciples of the truth, are above all falsehood ” (Against Heresies 3 Preface)

    3. The early church certain there was only one standard of truth and orthodoxy which had been passed on from the first apostles.

    Irenaeus c.180
    In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same life-giving faith, which has been preserved in the church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth. (Against Heresies 3.3)

    Tertullian c.197
    The apostles were ignorant of nothing and they preached nothing that contradicted one another. (Against Heretics 25)

    4. The four NT Gospels were written soon after the resurrection of Jesus and then accepted by the early church as the only authoritative gospels from the apostles and their associates. Matthew and John were apostles, Mark and Luke worked closely with Paul and Peter (Col.4:14, 1 Pet.5:13).

    5. The early church leaders from the resurrection to the end of the second century formed a succession of those who personally handed down the truth and the gospels from the apostles. E.g. John the Apostle (d. 95AD) —— Polycarp (69-155AD) —— Irenaeus (130-200AD).

    Polycarp c. 117
    “Let us therefore so serve Him (God) with fear and all reverence as He Himself gave commandment and the apostles who preached the gospel to us and the prophets who proclaimed beforehand the coming of our Lord.” (Philippians 6)

    Irenaeus about Polycarp c. 180
    Polycarp also was instructed by apostles, and he spoke with many who had seen Christ. Not only that, but by apostles, in Asia he was appointed bishop of the church in Smyrna. I also saw him in my early youth, for he lived a very long time. When he was a very old man, he gloriously and most nobly suffered martyrdom and departed this life. He had always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the church has handed down, and which alone are true(Against Heresies 3.3.4)…he would speak of his familiar relations with John, and with the rest of those who had seen the Lord. He would call their words to remembrance. So Polycarp received it in this manner from the eyewitnesses of the Word of life. Whatever things he had heard from them respecting the Lord (concerning both His miracles and His teaching), he would recount—all in harmony with the Scriptures.(Florinus 2)

    6. The early church rejected the Gnostic Gospels because they contradicted the teaching of the apostles.

    Ignatius c. 105
    How much more will this be the case with anyone who by wicked doctrine corrupts the faith of God, for which Jesus Christ was crucified! Such a one becomes defiled. He will go away into everlasting fire, and so will everyone that listens to him (Ephesians 16)…But if, as some that are without God, that is, the unbelieving, say, He became man in appearance [only], that He did not in reality take unto Him a body, that He died in appearance [merely], and did not in very deed suffer, then for what reason am I now in bonds, and long to be exposed to the wild beasts? In such a case, I die in vain, and am guilty of falsehood against the cross of the Lord. (Trallians 10)

    Irenaeus c.180
    How the Valentinians pervert the Scriptures to support their own pious opinions…This, then, is their system, which neither the prophets announced, nor the Lord taught, nor the apostles delivered. However, they boast that they have a perfect knowledge, beyond all others. They gather their views from other sources than the Scriptures. (Against Heresies 1.

    Irenaeus c.180
    These things being so, all who destroy the form of the Gospel are vain, unlearned, and also audacious; those, [I mean, ] who represent the aspects of the Gospel as being either more in number than as aforesaid, or, on the other hand, fewer. The former class [do so], that they may seem to have discovered more than is of the truth; the latter, that they may set the dispensations of God aside. (Against Heresies 3.9)

    Irenaeus c.180
    On the other hand, those who are from Valentinus are altogether reckless. They create their own Scriptures, boasting that they possess more Gospels than there really are. Indeed, they have gone to such a degree of audacity, as to entitle their comparatively recent writing the Gospel of Truth though it agrees in nothing with the Gospels of the Apostles so that they have really no gospel which is not full of blasphemy. (Against Heresies 3.9)

    Irenaeus c.180
    “Others again declare that Cain derived his being from the Power above, and acknowledge that Esau, Korah, the Sodomites, and all such persons, are related to themselves. On this account, they add, they have been assailed by the Creator, yet no one of them has suffered injury. For Sophia was in the habit of carrying off that which belonged to her from them to herself. They declare that Judas the traitor was thoroughly acquainted with these things, and that he alone, knowing the truth as no others did, accomplished the mystery of the betrayal; by him all things, both earthly and heavenly, were thus thrown into confusion. They produce a fictitious history of this kind, which they style the Gospel of Judas.” (Against Heresies 1.31)

    Origen c.254
    “I know a certain gospel which is called “The Gospel according to Thomas” and a “Gospel according to Matthias” and many others have we read – lest we should in any way be considered ignorant of those who imagine they possess some knowledge if they are acquainted with these. Nevertheless, among all these we have approved solely what the church has recognized, which is that only four gospels should be accepted.” (Homily on Luke 1:1)

    7. The early church stated that the four NT gospels refute the Gnostic Gospels.

    Irenaeus c.180
    The Ebionites, who use only Matthew’s Gospel, are refuted out of this very same work, making false suppositions with regard to the Lord. But Marcion, mutilating the Gospel according to Luke, is still proved to be a blasphemer of the only existing God, from those passages which he still retains. Those, again, who separate Jesus from Christ, alleging that Christ remained impassible, but that it was Jesus who suffered, prefer the Gospel by Mark. However, if they read it with a love of truth, they would have their errors rectified. Those persons, moreover, who follow Valentinus, make copious use of the Gospel according to John to illustrate their conjunctions. However, they, too, will be proved to be totally in error. (Against Heresies 3.7)

    9. The Gnostic Gospels were written more than 125 years after Jesus’ death when all the eyewitnesses were gone. The four Gospels were written within 50 years of Jesus’ death by eyewitnesses or their close associates while other eyewitnesses were still living.

    source:
    What's wrong with the Gnostic Gospels « behindthewillowtrees
    The teachings of Jesus were never written. They were only taught personally by a teacher to students. You know why the so called Gnostics Gospels were written? The enemies of the Christ were after the abolition of the school of Christianity. And Jesus already warned them. So what they did, they wrote them on copper/metal sheets just in case the enemies would succeed in abolishing the school of Christianity. But the enemies were not successful and the scrolls were discovered. But only the students can understand them because they are already taught in the secret school of Christianity.

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